Firstly "training public opinion" is a preposterous suggestion in a free democratic society IMHO. And there is no such things as 'misuse' of Freedom of speech, either we use it or loose it. FOE is more specifically needed for speeches we don't like. I didn't knew questioning of defence policy adopted in IA by our legislative is that radical of an idea .Our army is as much competent or corrupt as our police, civil services or our politicians because they all come from the same society. We certainly don't live in packieland where gernails/fouj are holier than thou and above public scrutiny.
Now where did i say US is the standard democratic model, there are certain things we can learn from them and vice-versa. You say its their people's choice, all i am asking that our people should has an option to choose as well. I am very sorry to disappoint you but a policy surely can't be disqualified solely because its adopted by goras.
Now to the main topic, you were speculating wheather 20 round mag with 3 round burst would have been implemented to encourage rationing ammo. Even if one look past how absurd your speculation is (why would one conserve ammo during breaking out of an ambush where auto fire is really needed or during suppressing fire, for everything else they had semiauto mode, or are you insinuating that IA soldiers so poorly trained that they can't be trusted with automatic mode as they would spent all their ammo ), this right here is the problem, we shouldn't have to speculate at all. All this should have been made public before going for procurement. There is no transparency and hence no accountability (could be by design), this is absurd. Speaking of which, you were saying 20 round mag were to conserve ammo, may i enquire how so. May i ask what role 20 mag serve that 30 mag can't. How did we arrive at 20,30,50 or whatever, there is no transparency. One could assume shifting from 7.62 of SLRs to 5.56 would allow more rounds to be carried per soldier( we see that atleast in other armies that made the shift from 7.62).
"aks and tavors come with their respective standard mag, changing which can be logistical disaster" how would this be problem for an army which has more than 5 different kinds of calibres for small arms.
Lastly "Besides 20 round mag weapons were pretty common at that time" to this i would reference to the words a 'wise' man once said "We should not be influenced by choices of other people just because they are gora".
One have to be a 'avval darje ka' hypocript to not see the irony.
Well, sir most of the things you have said above are correct and to the point.
Just a few corrections are needed.
Firstly I am not disappointed and I never said that we should not inculcate good policies from the goras. I just said that we should not follow other's choices just because they are gora because there is much gora worship going on all over the country as a lot of people are ignorant have not come out of colonial mindset. That's where training public opinion comes into play. At first people need to learn to differentiate between things. People who still believe that the foreigners are superior can never voice a healthy opinion. Their opinion would be influenced by the foreigners. Training public opinion does not mean to impose certain opinions on the citizens, but to make them aware of the affairs that would help them to voice a opinion. So how can this be preposterous ?
Indian society is not like the US. Majority of Indians are illiterate. How can you expect a illiterate person to make a opinion unless he is educated ?
"I didn't knew questioning of defence policy adopted in IA by our legislative is that radical of an idea"- I never said this idea is radical. I just said -
"Besides it is not logical to compare everything that us has with everything we have. The level of education that us politicians have (avg.) Is obviously more than that of Indian politicians (avg.). If you allow everyone to voice their own "DEMANDS" then the whole country would be in a mess.First educate the public properly then you can think of televised hearings."
Secondly I never justified the 20 rounds mag. I just pointed out the possible cause and I also have used the word 'may'. And yes the speculation is not absurd at all. A lot of country used and still uses the 20 rounds mag. We ourselves use the 20 round mag for sig 716.
All you have said about accountability and transparency is true.
Now you have said about the usage of 5 different calibres which indeed is a logistical problem. But that does not mean we have to make it worse by converting the standard 30 round mags to 20 rounds mag.
Now coming to the next part. Again I would say I never said we should not inculcate the good things from foreigners. The SLR we used had 20 rounds mag. The M16 had 20 rounds mag while the ak had 30 round mag. The army chose the 20 round mag of the two. So whether we choose 30 or 20 it would be influenced by the foreigners because the foreigners pioneered the firearms technology and the standards set by the foreigners were combat proven. It is not wrong to choose from the options that were proven. We just chose the 20. Now why 20 ? You should ask the army if you cannot accept my speculation.
Now coming to the last point. In my previous post I never personally attacked or disrespected you. And I never said you should not criticize the armed forces. I just said overly criticizing them by using reference to irrelevant things like "flying mbt" to make them appear foolish is not something to be proud of. And the judge of Madras High court himself said that a lot of "misuse of freedom of speech" is going on. And then you are saying there is nothing called "misuse" of speech.
But in your post you have continued to insult me both overtly and in a sarcastic way.
You have branded my thoughts as absurd and preposterous while they are legit.( Training public opinion in a country where thousands of people are illiterate is not absurd. Using a 20 round mag is also not absurd). You have attacked me personally by calling me "a 'avval darje ka' hypocript". You are assuming I am disappointed while I have not expressed my disappointment. You are mocking at my comment by calling me a 'wise' man in a sarcastic way.
Sir, please do not disrespect others just to prove your point. I never said something offensive to you. I just wanted a open debate. And in a debate you should not disrespect others.
Regards.
