INSAS Rifle, LMG & Carbine

[Akula]

My theory is we are upgrading to ak 15,idk if they signed it there

Than another 3-5 years of negotiations untill Kalashnikov offers another gun.

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

No other deal is signed apart from 70k AK-103 for IAF.

 

[Johny_Baba]

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Yes! you see the AK-12 style front trunnion on JVPC and OFB 5.56mm Carbine ? exact reason to what am trying to say, i.e. keeping as less 'stuff' on the barrel as possible (albeit both design still incorporates handguard locking on the iron sight post etc that is affixed on barrel but still relatively better than traditional AK with lots on stuff)...so there are very much chances that we could easily free-float barrels on JVPC and OFB 5.56mm Carbine etc with little modifications...Hope someone from ARDE//OFB side takes note of it,

(BTW am travelling right now so outta reach of my personal libray of pics etc to further explain much things)

Coming back to KM-AK hhmm

i am not sure which "version" of KM-AK kit this pic is from...because final KM-AK kit involves nothing sort of 'free-floating handguard' rather regular AK-200 series maal is used for further "modernising" those AK-74Ms,
in fact the bhest vdo of the final KM-AK rifle available is from Larry Vickers himself when he visited Kalashnikov Concern some years ago...
Then again i haven't followed this KM-AK kit as enthusiastically as possible (mainly due to lack of availability of any significant info about it in 'english world') so perhaps it is some previous kit or some non-Kalashnikov kit part of those trials etc (Zenith Arms of Russia was also in race of providing 'upgrade kits' for AK-74Ms and so, they are practically FAB Defense of Russia, makes everything from tactical buttstock to top railed covers (kopies of Texas Weapon Systems Dog Leg that dem SSSD guys are offering here) and railed handguards etc etc)
need to dig out more if something is available about it so at this moment cannot say much about this particular KM-AK kit mentioned in the pic,though.

 

[ManhattanProject]

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The JVPC is such a good design all it needs is a better handguard which is slimmer and has quad rails.

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

No other deal is signed apart from 70k AK-103 for IAF.

Sprut light tank?

 

[NotASussyBoi]

heard that some g

Than another 3-5 years of negotiations untill Kalashnikov offers another gun.

heard that some generals were intrested innit maybe some secret stuff happening for the last 3 years

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

Sprut light tank?

IA has just shown some interest in Sprut tank. Nothing concrete as of now.

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

Common buy something, ink some deals

 

[pipebomb]

Why IA standard issued insas rifles has 20 round mags and not 30 rounds. Is 20 round mag IA specified requirement, if yes then why only for insas and not for aks or tavors in IA use, if not then why IA accepted it(given that they usually set a higher level of standards for acceptance of indigenous equipment compared to imported).

Also why IA army accepted insas rifles without full auto capability. Aks has that since 50's

 

[Aditya Ballal]

Why IA standard issued insas rifles has 20 round mags and not 30 rounds. Is 20 round mag IA specified requirement, if yes then why only for insas and not for aks or tavors in IA use, if not then why IA accepted it(given that they usually set a higher level of standards for acceptance of indigenous equipment compared to imported).

Also why IA army accepted insas rifles without full auto capability. Aks has that since 50's

IA wasn‘t forced to accept a rifle without full auto and 20 rounds magazine, they specifically asked for it. M16 like inspiration for the generals at the time.

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

IA wasn‘t forced to accept a rifle without full auto and 20 rounds magazine, they specifically asked for it. M16 like inspiration for the generals at the time.

From Britain to Belgium to usa and now russia , good.

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

For inspiration

 

[pipebomb]

IA wasn‘t forced to accept a rifle without full auto and 20 rounds magazine, they specifically asked for it. M16 like inspiration for the generals at the time.

Why not for other assault rifles (for lack of better terms) and can IA be questioned by legislative body (like the hearings they have in US) to fix accountability. What if IA tomorrow demand flying mbts. Are the "bloody civilians" only there to fund their whimps and fancies.

Why "bloody civilian's" say does't have equal weightage in defence policy of this countries. Are we here to do 'ji huzuries'.

 

[Tactical Doge]

Why not for other assault rifles (for lack of better terms) and can IA be questioned by legislative body (like the hearings they have in US) to fix accountability. What if IA tomorrow demand flying mbts. Are the "bloody civilians" only there to fund their whimps and fancies.

Why "bloody civilian's" say does't have equal weightage in defence policy of this countries. Are we here to do 'ji huzuries'.

No civillians has any say when it comes to matters concerning the Civil services body, influential civillians may influence but not in a fundamental level
Indian beaurocracy is ridiculously overpowered, some of the Babus are ecstatic on Power

Let the "emergency" purchase be a legitimate route of purchase instead of using emergency financial powers, so that the MoD babus doesn't get to lick off of negotiations and you can see deals getting inked and deliveries taken in a very short time period

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

Why not for other assault rifles (for lack of better terms) and can IA be questioned by legislative body (like the hearings they have in US) to fix accountability. What if IA tomorrow demand flying mbts. Are the "bloody civilians" only there to fund their whimps and fancies.

Why "bloody civilian's" say does't have equal weightage in defence policy of this countries. Are we here to do 'ji huzuries'.

There is a Parliamentary committe on Defence. From time to time, they can call the Service cheifs for presentations. However, these are always behind closed doors and not open for public.
Other than that CAG has the power to audit important procurement deals and acquistions. The CAG reports are often used by opposition parties to target the government in Parliament.

However, there are no concept of American style televised hearings of military cheifs or even company CEOs in India, as of now.

 

[pipebomb]

Indian beaurocracy is ridiculously overpowered

And what is the objection here, we are a representative democracy afterall.

 

[pipebomb]

There is a Parliamentary committe on Defence. From time to time, they can call the Service cheifs for presentations. However, these are always behind closed doors and not open for public.
Other than that CAG has the power to audit important procurement deals and acquistions. The CAG reports are often used by opposition parties to target the government in Parliament.

However, there are no concept of American style televised hearings of military cheifs or even company CEOs in India, as of now.

Why is this aversion to public viewing, they are people's representatives afterall. Surely they are not asked to divulge operational details but policy matters should be discussed to lengths. And CAG can't fix accountability on policy.

We should not shy away from the realisation that our democracy is a work in progress, quit slow progress specifically. And we should demand that our legislative functioning change with time.

 

[WolfPack86]

AK 15 for Indian special forces

 

[Chakraborty]

Why is this aversion to public viewing, they are people's representatives afterall. Surely they are not asked to divulge operational details but policy matters should be discussed to lengths. And CAG can't fix accountability on policy.

We should not shy away from the realisation that our democracy is a work in progress, quit slow progress specifically. And we should demand that our legislative functioning change with time.

Sir you asked a lot of questions in your previous posts. So now may I ask you a humble question or two?

Why do you think the United States is the standard democratic model which all other democracies have to follow? And if US changes a policy why would everyone change that policy? It is the choice of their people to change their policy. We should not be influenced by choices of other people just because they are gora. We should train our own public opinion

Besides it is not logical to compare everything that us has with everything we have. The level of education that us politicians have (avg.) Is obviously more than that of Indian politicians (avg.). If you allow everyone to voice their own "DEMANDS" then the whole country would be in a mess.
First educate the public properly then you can think of televised hearings.

By the way, the argument you presented that why only insas has 20 rounds magazines and why not aks and tavors, is not an argument at all. It was specified by the army to provide the insas rifle with a 20 rounds magazine. Insas is an infantry rifle. It is not fully automatic. May be the 20 round mag and the burst mode was to encourage economic use of ammunition. But if you ask why other rifles have 30 rounds mag then your question becomes useless. Firstly aks and tavors come with their respective standard mag, changing which can be logistical disaster. Secondly you cannot have all weapons with 20 round mag. Aks and tavors were at first used by the sf who prefer 30 rounds mag. Besides 20 round mag weapons were pretty common at that time. Even the sig 716 uses 20 rounds mag.

your question sounds like why do we use bus for transportation? why not everyone travel by car?? Man, you have to understand army has different tasks from which different requirements arise.

And yes, demanding a rifle with 20 round mag is logical and not a fictious thing like the "flying MBT" that you mentioned. So be rational while making comparison.

It is good to be critical. But being overly critical to ridicule a defence organisation is actually a shameful act and misuse of one's fundamental right to speech.
This is why I said you have to train public opinion. If you ask these kind of questions then army would brand you as a "bloody civilian" only.
Regards.

 

[Marliii]

Why is this aversion to public viewing, they are people's representatives afterall. Surely they are not asked to divulge operational details but policy matters should be discussed to lengths. And CAG can't fix accountability on policy.

We should not shy away from the realisation that our democracy is a work in progress, quit slow progress specifically. And we should demand that our legislative functioning change with time.

Early m16 also had only 20 round stanag magazines.amd the SLR the army used before also had 20 rounds so that's May be why they asked for it in insas