INS Vikramaditya (Adm Gorshkov) aircraft carrier

[Crusader53]

India is already building ACs with foreign assistance. Soon it'll building completely on its own. India will build 5 carriers in coming time.

The San Giorgio Class are not Aircraft Carriers but LPD's. (i.e. Amphibious Ships) That said, India clearly wants to build its own ships. Yet, it already has to many projects going with the available yard space.

My point was to give India some more experience with such types. Until the time she can build them on her own.............

 

[Singh]

This is a thread about INS Vikramaditya please don't hijack it with offtopic discussions.

 

[Crusader53]

This is a thread about INS Vikramaditya please don't hijack it with offtopic discussions.

Sorry, that was not my intent! Yet, I was just replying back to posts #332 - 336. Which, I did not start......

 

[nrj]

Indian carrier's deck systems tested with MiG-29K prototype

A non-flying MiG-29K naval strike fighter prototype is being used to test aircraft handling systems in the former Soviet aircraft carrier being refitted for the Indian Navy at the Sevmash shipyard in Severodvinsk, northern Russia.

Sevmash announced on 9 June that the MiG-29K was brought on board Vikramaditya (ex-Admiral Gorshkov ) to trial flight-deck hardware, in particular the restraints that are designed to hold an aircraft in place until its engines generate sufficient thrust for take-off.

The yard's head of production for military-technical co-operation, Sergey Novoselov, said that successful testing of the restraints was a condition for the next contractual payment for the carrier refit.

Jane's understands that the test aircraft is a MiG-29K prototype built in the late 1980s and used to demonstrate arrested landings and 'ski-jump' take-offs with the Kuznetsov-class carriers then under construction for the Soviet Navy.

Source


Some constructive news at last..... ==gudddjjj==

 

[nrj]

Prototype testing on the deck of INS Vikramaditya .......

 

[Yatharth Singh]

Indian carrier's deck systems tested with MiG-29K prototype

A non-flying MiG-29K naval strike fighter prototype is being used to test aircraft handling systems in the former Soviet aircraft carrier being refitted for the Indian Navy at the Sevmash shipyard in Severodvinsk, northern Russia.Sevmash announced on 9 June that the MiG-29K was brought on board Vikramaditya (ex-Admiral Gorshkov ) to trial flight-deck hardware, in particular the restraints that are designed to hold an aircraft in place until its engines generate sufficient thrust for take-off.

http://www.janes.com/news/defence/jni/jni100622_1_n.shtml

 

[Crusader53]

Prototype testing on the deck of INS Vikramaditya .......

Clearly, the Mig-29K will be a useful addition to the Indian Navy. Allowing it to gain valuable experience in Conventional Carrier Aircraft.


Especially, in the short-term as China has no equivalent to counter it.

 

[JHA]

Any body has any idea when will this really come to india..?

 

[nrj]

Any body has any idea when will this really come to india..?

Well, we are waiting from 2008 actually. But recent development leaves some confidence that Gorky should arrive by late/early 2014. Payments are being made with the step wise successful development. Recently when prototype fighter was tested, some payment was made.

However, the sad case for Gorky in my POV is that it'll not have CIWS till 2017 i.e. First Indian refit. So even after 3 years of commissioning, Gorky will not have CIWS. I don't know how IN is okay with that. Ofcourse there will be other supplements like escorts & other defense system on board but still its just unfortunate.

 

[ahmedsid]

Well, we are waiting from 2008 actually. But recent development leaves some confidence that Gorky should arrive by late/early 2014. Payments are being made with the step wise successful development. Recently when prototype fighter was tested, some payment was made.

However, the sad case for Gorky in my POV is that it'll not have CIWS till 2017 i.e. First Indian refit. So even after 3 years of commissioning, Gorky will not have CIWS. I don't know how IN is okay with that. Ofcourse there will be other supplements like escorts & other defense system on board but still its just unfortunate.

I dont know much about CIWS, but what I have heard is that, if ever an Aircraft Carrier has reached a level where it has to use its CIWS, its as good as dead and other levels have been breached. Till it gets CIWS, the Escorts will take care of matters, as usual. Do correct me If I am way off the mark.

 

[bhramos]

I dont know much about CIWS, but what I have heard is that, if ever an Aircraft Carrier has reached a level where it has to use its CIWS, its as good as dead and other levels have been breached. Till it gets CIWS, the Escorts will take care of matters, as usual. Do correct me If I am way off the mark.

every AC will have minmum Air Defence upto 100-150km. given by Destroyers or other ships, and air defence upto aprox 300km given Aircraft or AEC Helli's, these can only defend AC from Ships or Aircraft but not Cruise Missile like Brahmos and Sunburns etc. These can defiantly cross these layers of Defence. so CIWS is planned to save AC as a last defence. these will CIWS and other AD will be self planned by AC.
its just my opinion and figures may be less or approximate.

 

[nrj]

I dont know much about CIWS, but what I have heard is that, if ever an Aircraft Carrier has reached a level where it has to use its CIWS, its as good as dead and other levels have been breached. Till it gets CIWS, the Escorts will take care of matters, as usual. Do correct me If I am way off the mark.

The CIWS we will be employing will be combination of Guns & Missiles. We'll have Kashtan CIWS on Gorky. So Missiles provides defence against anti-ship missiles, anti-radar missiles and guided bombs. The system can also be employed against fixed or rotary wing aircraft or even surface vessels such as fast attack boats or targets on shore. Kashtan launcher can house around max 24 missiles & engage 6 target at a time. It has good range on 8-10Km & its size is not too large than others. It has 3D target detection radar & subsequent command module. Its pretty good actually compared to others like phalanx or possible Barak as of now IMO.

You are right on escorts because since our some ships have Kashtan so they can supplement the defense needs of Gorky. But onboard CIWS is must for AC. Maybe IN is waiting for Barak CIWS development so they can add both Kashtan & Barak on Gorky like IAC-1.

 

[bhramos]

USS Nimitz air defence layers
along with other AC's

this would give you a good picture.

 

[bhramos]

another pic, but it could be repost.

 

[nrj]

It will be better to have longer Barak-2,

AD layout will be same as Admiral Kuznetsov!
8x Kashtan
4x Barak-2 missile systems ( Each system of 8 missile, Total 32 missile ready to fire, +70km )

I did bit more research on INS Vikramaditya, Specially recent construction pics and it made me to do some correction to my earlier post..
INS Vikramaditya is well armed, not much as Kuznetsov, but enough to defend her from Sub-Sonic Missiles..

This is speculation so its possible for more Barak complex..

A Good print of INS Vikramaditya!

@Brahmos Posted by Kunalji on this same page....

I hope IN fits both Kashtan & Barak.

 

[bhramos]

@Brahmos Posted by Kunalji on this same page....

I hope IN fits both Kashtan & Barak.

ok no problem,
but i have a doubt?
Why is Vikramadithya has such thin layer of defence? compared to Kuznetsov and other carriers.?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

ok no problem,
but i have a doubt?
Why is Vikramadithya has such thin layer of defence? compared to Kuznetsov and other carriers.?

Because Kuznetsov is very different structure than Kiev class..
Kuznetsov is bigger so does the Varyag..

 

[nrj]

ok no problem,
but i have a doubt?
Why is Vikramadithya has such thin layer of defence? compared to Kuznetsov and other carriers.?

CAG might have had similar questions. But Kuznetsov is more like a Cruiser Ship than AC. So its air-defense is much better than others. It was supposed to lead ACs of its class which never became reality.

Gorky was stripped off from all the weaponry and missile launcher tubes from the ship's foredeck to make way for a STOBAR configuration. This converted the Gorky from a cruiser to a pure carrier. So naturally its defense systems faded. But IN will take care of it, I think in the very first refit.

 

[bhramos]

but compare with Vikranth class.
please look into the figure i gave above,
Vikramditya has less defence then any other AC's.

 

[SHASH2K2]

@Brahmos Posted by Kunalji on this same page....

I hope IN fits both Kashtan & Barak.

What about supersonic missiles? They are real threats now a days.