INS Vikramaditya (Adm Gorshkov) aircraft carrier

[kseeker]

Defence News - Chinese Aircraft Carrier Liaoning vs INS Vikramaditya

Liaoning, is the first aircraft carrier commissioned into the People's Liberation Army Navy and INS Vikramaditya is the third aircraft carrier commissioned by the Indian navy since independence. India's first aircraft carrier INS Vikrant was purchased from the United Kingdom in the year 1957.

INS Vikrant played a key role in enforcing a naval blockade on East Pakistan during the Indo-Pakistan War of 1971 and was also docked in Karachi Harbour on the 4th of December to symbolize ultimate victory and naval supremacy of the Indian Navy in Pakistani waters.

Regarding the Chinese aircraft carrier Liaoning, a Russian expert in an Interview to the Voice of Russia has claimed that the carrier is merely a test platform and does not have the capability to sail in high seas beyond the regional waters of China. Chinese Shipyards took more than 10 years to get the Aircraft carrier Liaoning sea worthy inspite of the fact that the ship never required any major design changes to its hull. On the other hand, complete structural changes were made to the hull and the flight deck of INS Vikramaditya and it took less than 10 years to complete by Russia.

In September 2013, SMN reported that the Liaoning was still unable to operate J-15s with a heavy weapons/fuel load because of the ship's limited size and lack of catapults. The U.S. Department of Defense notes that the J-15 will have below normal range and armament when operating from the carrier, due to limits imposed by the ski-jump takeoff and arrested carrier landings. A Canadian government report casts doubt on Chinese claims that the Liaoning has even tested aircraft operations in anything other than perfect visibility and calm seas.

INS Vikramaditya will boast more than two dozen Mikoyan MiG-29K 'Fulcrum-D' (Product 9.41) including 4 dual-seat MiG-29KUB aircraft, 6 Kamov Ka-31 "Helix" reconnaissance and anti-submarine helicopters, torpedo tubes, missile systems, and artillery units. These fourth generation air superiority fighters will provide a significant fillip for the Indian Navy with a range of over 700 nm (extendable to over 1,900 nm with inflight refueling). It will also be fitted with the state-of-the-art Indo-Israeli Barak-8 Air defence missile system which will be complemented with additional SAM and CIWS (close-in weapon system).

The heart of the operational network that infuses life into the combat systems onboard the ship is the Computer aided Action Information Organisation (CAIO) system, LESORUB-E. LESORUB has the capability to gather data from ship's sensors and data links and to process, collate and assemble comprehensive tactical pictures. This state-of-the-art system has been specifically designed for the Indian Navy keeping in mind the essential requirement on the carrier for fighter control and direction.

Aircraft carrier Vikramaditya also boasts of a very modern communication complex, CCS MK II, to meet her external communication requirement. Installation of Link II tactical data system allows her to be fully integrated with the Indian Navy's network centric operations.

 

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INS Vikrant played a key role in enforcing a naval blockade on East Pakistan during the Indo-Pakistan War of 1971 and was also docked in Karachi Harbour on the 4th of December to symbolize ultimate victory and naval supremacy of the Indian Navy in Pakistani waters.

pray tell, when did this ever happen??

 

[drkrn]

Defence News - Chinese Aircraft Carrier Liaoning vs INS Vikramaditya

Liaoning, is the first aircraft carrier commissioned into the People's Liberation Army Navy and INS Vikramaditya is the third aircraft carrier commissioned by the Indian navy since independence. India's first aircraft carrier INS Vikrant was purchased from the United Kingdom in the year 1957.

INS Vikrant played a key role in enforcing a naval blockade on East Pakistan during the Indo-Pakistan War of 1971 and was also docked in Karachi Harbour on the 4th of December to symbolize ultimate victory and naval supremacy of the Indian Navy in Pakistani waters.

Regarding the Chinese aircraft carrier Liaoning, a Russian expert in an Interview to the Voice of Russia has claimed that the carrier is merely a test platform and does not have the capability to sail in high seas beyond the regional waters of China. Chinese Shipyards took more than 10 years to get the Aircraft carrier Liaoning sea worthy inspite of the fact that the ship never required any major design changes to its hull. On the other hand, complete structural changes were made to the hull and the flight deck of INS Vikramaditya and it took less than 10 years to complete by Russia.

In September 2013, SMN reported that the Liaoning was still unable to operate J-15s with a heavy weapons/fuel load because of the ship's limited size and lack of catapults. The U.S. Department of Defense notes that the J-15 will have below normal range and armament when operating from the carrier, due to limits imposed by the ski-jump takeoff and arrested carrier landings. A Canadian government report casts doubt on Chinese claims that the Liaoning has even tested aircraft operations in anything other than perfect visibility and calm seas.

INS Vikramaditya will boast more than two dozen Mikoyan MiG-29K 'Fulcrum-D' (Product 9.41) including 4 dual-seat MiG-29KUB aircraft, 6 Kamov Ka-31 "Helix" reconnaissance and anti-submarine helicopters, torpedo tubes, missile systems, and artillery units. These fourth generation air superiority fighters will provide a significant fillip for the Indian Navy with a range of over 700 nm (extendable to over 1,900 nm with inflight refueling). It will also be fitted with the state-of-the-art Indo-Israeli Barak-8 Air defence missile system which will be complemented with additional SAM and CIWS (close-in weapon system).

The heart of the operational network that infuses life into the combat systems onboard the ship is the Computer aided Action Information Organisation (CAIO) system, LESORUB-E. LESORUB has the capability to gather data from ship's sensors and data links and to process, collate and assemble comprehensive tactical pictures. This state-of-the-art system has been specifically designed for the Indian Navy keeping in mind the essential requirement on the carrier for fighter control and direction.

Aircraft carrier Vikramaditya also boasts of a very modern communication complex, CCS MK II, to meet her external communication requirement. Installation of Link II tactical data system allows her to be fully integrated with the Indian Navy's network centric operations.

Russians comparing them to Chinese.....not at all competent enough

 

[kseeker]

INS Vikrant played a key role in enforcing a naval blockade on East Pakistan during the Indo-Pakistan War of 1971 and was also docked in Karachi Harbour on the 4th of December to symbolize ultimate victory and naval supremacy of the Indian Navy in Pakistani waters.

when did this ever happen??

I could not find any reference.
@Ray, @Decklander might have information about that.

 

[delta]

I could not find any reference.
@Ray, @Decklander might have information about that.

i guess this howler could be attributed to the lack of proper research from that website. vikrant was operating in the bay of bengal at the time of the 71 war. the significance of 4th december is due to operation trident, and not because an indian warship was docked off karachi, which by the way, has never happened.

 

[bhramos]

All built in USSR

 

[Decklander]

I could not find any reference.
@Ray, @Decklander might have information about that.

That info is grossly wrong.

 

[happy]

All built in USSR

Is it the angle at which these pics were taken or am I right in saying that Vicky's ski-jump is more sharp and refined than the other two ??

It is also more reinforced albeit to allow heavier movement from the deck ?? @Decklander

 

[sayareakd]

Russian Expert Terms Chinese aircraft carrier Liaoning has Test Platform

SOURCE: IDRW NEWS NETWORK ( INN )



Russian Expert in an Interview to Voice of Russia has claimed Chinese aircraft carrier Liaoning is know more then test platform , and has claimed that recently delivered INS Vikramaditya to India is fully operable all weather aircraft carrier and surpasses Liaoning in operational Combat capability in high seas .

He also went on to say that China's first aircraft carrier "Liaoning" was still a test platform and only in calm weather conditions it was ideal for aircraft takeoff and landing only in certain weather conditions . He had high praise for INS Vikramaditya and claimed even with delays Aircraft carrier cleared all tests and is fully capable combat ready ship.

He also went on to criticise Chinese Shipyard who took 10 years to deliver the ship in its current form even when ship never required any major design changes to its hull like INS Vikramaditya had to go through . and also raised doubts if Chinese carrier will ever be able to move out for High sea patrols beyond its Regional waters .

INS Vikramaditya will be reaching its home port in Karwar January next year and currently without Air defence missiles will be provided round clock security by other ships for next few months before Indo-Israeli Barak-8 Air defence missile is ready for Integration on the ship . Russian Crew will be in India for next one year to train and help fix issues related to any glitches in the ship while in India .


Russian Expert Terms Chinese aircraft carrier Liaoning has Test Platform | idrw.org

 

[Decklander]

Is it the angle at which these pics were taken or am I right in saying that Vicky's ski-jump is more sharp and refined than the other two ??

It is also more reinforced albeit to allow heavier movement from the deck ?? @Decklander

every ship with Ski Jump is designed for a specific TWR aircraft and so the angle of ski Jump varies from ship to ship. That is what you see as being different in each ship.

 

[nirranj]

Will the first jet to land on Vicky once it arrives in India will be a Harrier?? Or Will Indian Navy land a Mig 29??

Also after Viraat retires, what will be the fate of the Harriers??

 

[AVERAGE INDIAN]

Will the first jet to land on Vicky once it arrives in India will be a Harrier?? Or Will Indian Navy land a Mig 29??

Also after Viraat retires, what will be the fate of the Harriers??

i think harriers will be shore based and used for coastal patrols till their retirement and Viki and our New carrier will be complemented by Mig 29 k's

 

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Uneasy Karwar set to berth INS Vikramaditya - The Times of India

KARWAR: Residents of Karwar are waiting for the arrival of INS Vikramaditya, which will berth at the naval base here by mid-January, with a strange mix of elation and trepidation.

The aircraft carrier is expected to come along with huge baggage — something the citizens fear could tell on the port town's creaking infrastructure and send prices of essential commodities soaring. But the town's civic mandarins and naval base officials see a silver lining and argue the berthing presents a huge business opportunity that is waiting to be tapped.

District BJP secretary Rajesh Nayak says projects like the Kaiga nuclear power station and the Seabird naval base have brought more pressure on Karwar's infrastructure, far outweighing the benefits in terms of improving the local economy and providing secondary job opportunities to the citizens. He fears the daily needs of the ship's 1,600-plus crew members could create a supply squeeze.

If vegetables and food present one side of the story, housing is another that requires a closer look — the navy has already started placing advertisements in local papers for rented accommodation.

Naval officers in New Delhi admit the lack of adequate housing at the Karwar base, even though the navy's accommodation project for married personnel started a couple of years ago. "Some personnel will stay on the base, while some will have to stay outside," an officer says. "On other fronts, arrangements for food and other supplies are being made to meet the demands of additional personnel."

For instance, most AC hotel rooms in the city have been booked for Russian and India trainers who will arrive here to instruct navy personnel in navigating the ship.

Nilesh Birkodikar, a chartered accountant, says the navy and the Nuclear Power Corporation should join hands with the local authorities to develop the infrastructure of Karwar and Ankola town (Uttara Kannada district) so locals aren't affected.

N Shiva Kumar, assistant executive engineer of the Karnataka Water Supply and Sewerage Board, spikes rumours of a looming water shortage. He says the Seabird naval base is supplied three million litres of water a day against the demand of 19.3 MLD. The board has struck an agreement with the navy for the supply of water for the next 30 years. "But this will not affect the supply of water to our citizens," he says.

City Municipal Council commissioner C D Dalvi says ramping up the infrastructure is a broader subject that should be addressed by the state government. "We've no role either in water supply or in the city's development," he says.

A senior naval officer says the apprehensions expressed by the locals are unfounded. "Local vendors, transporters, hoteliers, farmers and youths with technical skill will definitely benefit by the arrival of the new ship as well as the second phase of the Seabird naval project," he says.

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SHORING UP FOR BIG ARRIVAL

* INS Vikramaditya expected to dock at Seabird base with 1,600 crew members and trainers from India and Russia

* The base can currently host 11 major warships and 10 yard-craft under Phase I carried out at a cost of Rs 2,629 crore

* Under Rs 13,000-crore Phase II expansion, the base can house 32 major warships, submarines and other ships, including 10 of the 80 fast-interceptor craft to be acquired

 

[Austin]

Mig-29K Back on Deck , Report from INS Vikramaditya ( pg 38 )

http://en.take-off.ru/pdf_to/to28.pdf

 

[nirranj]

is it so difficult for the Navy to build dedicated housing for its personnel and their families?

Also why should there be any burden on the Supply chain in the town? The Navy's presence should bring in more supplies and a permanent business for many.

 

[nirranj]

Elevator accomodating two helicopters at a time.

A KA27 and a KA31.

Is this Elevator small to accomodate a heavy fighter??

 

[nirranj]

Hand over ceremony pics

What are these two aircrafts doing during the Hand over ceremony?? Will they be onboard the Ship during its voyage to India?? Definitely the Helicopter will be handy.

The Tri Colour flies over the edge of the Ski Jump!!

 

[Armand2REP]

i think harriers will be shore based and used for coastal patrols till their retirement and Viki and our New carrier will be complemented by Mig 29 k's

The Harriers were planned to be retired in 2014. The only way to keep them operational longer would have required a purchase of spares from the RN, but the USMC bought them all.

 

[AVERAGE INDIAN]

depth charges????? or more looks like life-rafts.

life crafts they are not depth charges inflatable life rafts. these are kept in cylindrical canisters

 

[Armand2REP]

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