Indian Special Forces

[mupper]

Well (again from what I have read and seen in interviews) is that when they feel that you can keep up with them and interpolate seemlessly with them in real world ops. Starts out with them cross training or help raise these units in the first place. The SK SMU, GROM, the Israelis, the increment from SAS.

The "Tier system" in the US military is a bit of misnomer that's now basically a marketing tool for games/kit and retired guys selling a service. Originally it was just a line item in the budget to conceal (badly) where the money was going as Delta/DEVGRU were not officially acknowledged
The more useful term is SMU, of which there are now 5 in JSOC /

Understand that their standards are completely different. Their tolerance for error even in training is absolutely zero.

For example From what I have read Delta/DevGru assaults structures far far faster than the vanilla Seals and ODAs. They shoot 300-500 rounds a week when not deployed. Everything from their helo insertion SOPs to shooting profficiency, breaching tactics is far superior to the tier 2s. Far faster and thus far more dangerous which is why they need to learn to shoot fast and shoot accurately.

Breaching is their specialty, it's one of the things they were set up to do as a CT/HR unit...The FBI HRT could take down a structure faster than a white SEAL team, the regular SF CRF/CIF companies were pretty good at it too until thy stared to be disestablished a while back.
To be fair the guys on the black team (CT) rotation would be shooting 300+ rounds per day.average /

 

[mupper]

but they wouldn't be as good as their male counterparts definitely

At what?

 

[Vishalreddy3]

Best and the only tactics of the Chinese.

Even Iran during Iran-Iraq war.

 

[Vishalreddy3]

I have also seen US Coast Guard MSST and MSRT teams doing better job at breaching and CQB than USMC teams.

 

[FalconSlayers]

I have also seen US Coast Guard MSST and MSRT teams doing better job at breaching and CQB than USMC teams.

But you can’t beat USMC in door breaching experience.

 

[abingdonboy]

A number of countries feature woman SOF/SOF capable units - Israelis, Americans, Scandanavians/Russians . Just as an FYI. And a number of them have seen combat. You can do a search through sofrep.

The women of the Kurds ressistance , french resistance, polish resistance of the past havr also shown how effective they can be.

This is nonsense.

there is NO mixed unit in any world class SF unit. Israelis have some special teams that are all female ditto some Nordic nations but they aren’t part of existing SF units/teams. It’s more a support role

No US SOF unit has women nor could they pass the physical standards

 

[rkhanna]

This is nonsense.

there is NO mixed unit in any world class SF unit. Israelis have some special teams that are all female ditto some Nordic nations but they aren’t part of existing SF units/teams. It’s more a support role

No US SOF unit has women nor could they pass the physical standards

1) didn't say integrated units but. Women are a part of ISA. And Delta also has a few women utilizes specifically for Area force operations.

2) women are not door kickers. The spectrum of Special Operations is long and wide

3) 2 Ranger companies in JSOC also play a supporting role. Still part and parcel of special operations

4) USSOCOM Cultural Support Teams are all women and work alongside other SO Task Forces.

5) https://www.militarytimes.com/opini...8/women-in-special-operations-is-nothing-new/

6) Israelis have a long history if women in UC SOF units

7) women have now cleared both Ranger Selection and SF qual course. Just as an FYI.

 

[FalconZero]

You people @Ashok84 is literally baiting you chimps and you goys are falling for it, mods @ezsasa @hit&run please take care of the troll.

 

[abingdonboy]

1) didn't say integrated units but. Women are a part of ISA. And Delta also has a few women utilizes specifically for Area force operations.

2) women are not door kickers. The spectrum of Special Operations is long and wide

3) 2 Ranger companies in JSOC also play a supporting role. Still part and parcel of special operations

4) USSOCOM Cultural Support Teams are all women and work alongside other SO Task Forces.

5) https://www.militarytimes.com/opini...8/women-in-special-operations-is-nothing-new/

6) Israelis have a long history if women in UC SOF units

7) women have now cleared both Ranger Selection and SF qual course. Just as an FYI.

1-6) yes they are there in support roles, that’s even true within Indian mil intel/RAW/IB. I’m sure even SG and PARA(SF) have had women attached to them for support roles. That’s not anything like being part of a SF unit.


7) passing Green beret selection doesn’t make her SF (and you’d be delusional to think she got there on merit and wasn’t given concessions in some form or another), she hasn’t passed Q course and it’s not likely she’ll get to an ODA and afaik no woman has passed RASP for ranger regiment

 

[Ashok84]

You people @Ashok84 is literally baiting you chimps and you goys are falling for it, mods @ezsasa @hit&run please take care of the troll.

Trolll... Really.... Ok.... Noob... Keep on topic... That man charges armed forces 2 lakh per hour... Ask army why they are paying him instead blaming me...

 

[FalconZero]

Trolll... Really.... Ok.... Noob... Keep on topic... That man charges armed forces 2 lakh per hour... Ask army why they are paying him instead blaming me...

I just want to let you know, I came on your dp, literally coomed, felt good. Also @mods, please move this senior citizen to respectable thread.

 

[armyofhind]

Trolll... Really.... Ok.... Noob... Keep on topic... That man charges armed forces 2 lakh per hour... Ask army why they are paying him instead blaming me...

From where do you get that figure? Source please.

Trolll... Really.... Ok.... Noob... Keep on topic... That man charges armed forces 2 lakh per hour... Ask army why they are paying him instead blaming me...

He hasn't trained the Army, only paramilitary.. and that "training" is questionable.

The man who has trained the army also attaches the Shifu title, but is a legit person, unlike this pinhead.

 

[Gessler]

I just want to let you know, I came on your dp, literally coomed, felt good. Also @mods, please move this senior citizen to respectable thread.

What da phuk

 

[Marliii]

Indian army wants carbines in its competition to be 650mm long in foldable and 800mm in extended.

 

[Killbot]

but they wouldn't be as good as their male counterparts definitely

In a slugging competition? No. But intel gathering, assassination, etc. You bet they're as good as their male counterparts.

 

[Gessler]

Indian army wants carbines in its competition to be 650mm long in foldable and 800mm in extended.

If they stick to these specs to the T (they've a history of not doing so), then this throws all AR-15 based designs out of the window.

The stocks on AR-15s cannot be folded due to the buffer tube, and even the 10.5" version of CAR816 cannot fit within the 650mm limit with the stock retracted/collapsed. Only the 7.5" version can and I reckon that's too short for infantry use. Neither can any other similar design like IWI ARAD or SIG M400.

Even the MCX Virtus misses the mark by a few mm (with stock folded).

This spec seems written with the IWI Carmel 10.5" in mind. That, the 7.5" CAR816 and the 8.5" ACE 21-N are the only platforms I can think of that can fit the bill. Of them only the Carmel with a remotely useful barrel length.

Unless SIG again comes up with a modified offering (like they did for the fast-track rifle deal by coming up with DI 716) like an MCX with a shorter barrel or an MCX RATTLER with a longer barrel or something.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Indian army wants carbines in its competition to be 650mm long in foldable and 800mm in extended.

Means 11.5 inch barrel approx

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

Indian army wants carbines in its competition to be 650mm long in foldable and 800mm in extended.

What about bulpups?

 

[Inderjeet Singh]

 

[Inderjeet Singh]