Indian Special Forces

[Hellfire]

This Ghillie Suit looks good, but is a right pain in the nether regions in actual use. So, will be dumped. Hessian wrapping over weapon, use of camouflaging colors, unwashed and fading BDU duly rubbed in soil ... with a hessian cloth 'rug' attached with leaves, hay, shrubs to cover ..... and a position in between rocks or over rocky surface. (your thermal signature goes poof)

You are good to go.

 

[Hellfire]

And why exactly are you assuming that these are any "Tom, dick and Harry"?

Unless they, the Garuds, are qualified to fly, leave alone converted to C-17 ... they can not touch the aircraft. And there is no Garud who is a pilot for those or any of the transport birds (or any other bird)

 

[Hellfire]

Sir, I understand that. But without the suppressors how will the army develop its own night fighting capability?
Suppressors are an integral part of night operation while night operations are the face of modern CT ops.
I believe only after the acquisition of suppressors and other necessary accessories, the sf will be able to achieve expertise in the night ops.
Hence suppressors are very vital piece of gear to have for the sf.
Regards.

Personally, suppressors are way too loud - in an environ as along LC (where, due to lack of major population centres and relatively zero ambient sounds, one can hear someone ways off). We didn't even use our venerable SAF 2A1 ... you could do things much better with much lesser noise than using a suppressor.

 

[Hellfire]

Nothing can be expected from para

I usually carried my spare magazines in my fatigue pockets

And had a strict fire discipline ... 2 round or as the westerners call it "double tap" ... only. Allowed to count your round expenditure

 

[Haldilal]

I usually carried my spare magazines in my fatigue pockets

And had a strict fire discipline ... 2 round or as the westerners call it "double tap" ... only. Allowed to count your round expenditure

Ya'll Nibbiars that much accountability?.

 

[Hellfire]

Some times I wonder where do these guys keep their spare mags since there are no mag pouches visible. What about med-kits ?

Yet 13 magazines were carried
Med Kits? With the designated BFNA.

Ear protection is virtually non-existant in Indian context.

That is very true. But when is ear protection of use? At the firing ranges, right? I would not want to be caught having a nice set of "ear protection" in operations

Where are the comms set?(every US sof operator is issued with a SDR).Forget about speed reload pouches, dump pouch and hydration bladder alteast give them the bare minimum!!!!!
You cannot give a operator a shemagh ,a patka ,a pouchless "plate carrier"(or maybe a single pouch is visible??),a tavor and ask him to operate in Kashmir valley. It is a crime!!!
Hell!!!!

True

They do not even have gloves!!!!!!
This is not even frustrating but rather "PAINFUL" to see our elites in this state!!!!
Once again, HELLLLLLLLL!!!!

And why should one definitely have gloves? Do you know the day time temperature of say Gurez valley or Drass along LC in July? (these are above 10000 ft ASL locations on an average) It is high 20s degrees centigrade. What happens when you are sweating wearing gloves? Do let me know?

I have a rather pretty pic of mine, which I had posted once on twitter after due redaction - wearing only a t-shirt, a plate carrier climbing up a steep incline with climbing base at 11300 ft and destination height at 17,000 ft in 6 hours of climb along the 'winter' route (it is the most direct & usually along a ledge). The end of the climb had an ice wall which takes 25 minutes to climb. The photo is of Nov, when it is extremely chilly (night time temperatures in low negatives already). But only T-shirt and plate carrier as once you start climbing up quickly, your metabolic rate goes up tremendously. Add to it, high altitude. You start burning calories and sweat like a pig. If you wear layers and cover yourself, you dehydrate very quickly and if you drink too much water while climbing, you literally sap your energy in a high altitude. So, you adapt to the situation. And move.

 

[Hellfire]

Ya'll Nibbiars that much accountability?.

Not accountability. But not getting 'caught' changing a mag with the opponent outflanking me. Allowed me to know exactly when I needed to change the mag.

 

[Knowitall]

 

[Floydian]

Yet 13 magazines were carried
Med Kits? With the designated BFNA.



That is very true. But when is ear protection of use? At the firing ranges, right? I would not want to be caught having a nice set of "ear protection" in operations





True




And why should one definitely have gloves? Do you know the day time temperature of say Gurez valley or Drass along LC in July? (these are above 10000 ft ASL locations on an average) It is high 20s degrees centigrade. What happens when you are sweating wearing gloves? Do let me know?

I have a rather pretty pic of mine, which I had posted once on twitter after due redaction - wearing only a t-shirt, a plate carrier climbing up a steep incline with climbing base at 11300 ft and destination height at 17,000 ft in 6 hours of climb along the 'winter' route (it is the most direct & usually along a ledge). The end of the climb had an ice wall which takes 25 minutes to climb. The photo is of Nov, when it is extremely chilly (night time temperatures in low negatives already). But only T-shirt and plate carrier as once you start climbing up quickly, your metabolic rate goes up tremendously. Add to it, high altitude. You start burning calories and sweat like a pig. If you wear layers and cover yourself, you dehydrate very quickly and if you drink too much water while climbing, you literally sap your energy in a high altitude. So, you adapt to the situation. And move.

Do share that pic here as well, sir!

 

[abingdonboy]

Like I have said before. In the 70s everyone said that of the Japanese , in the 90s and 2000s everyone said it of the Koreans.

But sare jaha se accha

Nail on the head there. This is a much bigger problem


You wouldn’t see this situation in a mature or sensible nation.

these are the fruits of a sick society

 

[ManhattanProject]

When you need mobility, you usually dump armour. Try crawling upto a target with plates

When I say tailor made generally it denotes this:



Magazines are carried on harness, worn additionally.

Like these:



Here, the number 1 pic has harness which was a non-csd item sold in Para unit canteens or purchased through ACSFP. The pattern on No2 was further evolved and has been introduced as standard harness for every Infantry Soldier today



These are what are standard issue:

CMP Women Soldier Batch

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OTA Cadets

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Weird how all other modern special operations units have no problems while crawling with their armour on.

 

[ManhattanProject]

Personally, suppressors are way too loud - in an environ as along LC (where, due to lack of major population centres and relatively zero ambient sounds, one can hear someone ways off). We didn't even use our venerable SAF 2A1 ... you could do things much better with much lesser noise than using a suppressor.

Too loud apposed to what shooting?

 

[ManhattanProject]

Not accountability. But not getting 'caught' changing a mag with the opponent outflanking me. Allowed me to know exactly when I needed to change the mag.

I never thought a professional would brag this much on the internet, makes me suspicious.

 

[abingdonboy]

And why exactly are you assuming that these are any "Tom, dick and Harry"?

Special forces are not qualified multi engine pilots

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

Even the regular infantry nowadays looks better equipped than Para SF.
Wonder what exactly the hell is going on.

 

[abingdonboy]

Even the regular infantry nowadays looks better equipped than Para SF.
Wonder what exactly the hell is going on.

Failure on every single level

 

[Sir pe tapla]

Unless they, the Garuds, are qualified to fly, leave alone converted to C-17 ... they can not touch the aircraft. And there is no Garud who is a pilot for those or any of the transport birds (or any other bird)

Looks like I was horribly mistaken. . Someone on Quora, who was a former logistician at airforce said only ground duty personnel are trained to be Garuds.

Didn't know this.

 

[Chakraborty]

Yet 13 magazines were carried
Med Kits? With the designated BFNA.



That is very true. But when is ear protection of use? At the firing ranges, right? I would not want to be caught having a nice set of "ear protection" in operations





True




And why should one definitely have gloves? Do you know the day time temperature of say Gurez valley or Drass along LC in July? (these are above 10000 ft ASL locations on an average) It is high 20s degrees centigrade. What happens when you are sweating wearing gloves? Do let me know?

I have a rather pretty pic of mine, which I had posted once on twitter after due redaction - wearing only a t-shirt, a plate carrier climbing up a steep incline with climbing base at 11300 ft and destination height at 17,000 ft in 6 hours of climb along the 'winter' route (it is the most direct & usually along a ledge). The end of the climb had an ice wall which takes 25 minutes to climb. The photo is of Nov, when it is extremely chilly (night time temperatures in low negatives already). But only T-shirt and plate carrier as once you start climbing up quickly, your metabolic rate goes up tremendously. Add to it, high altitude. You start burning calories and sweat like a pig. If you wear layers and cover yourself, you dehydrate very quickly and if you drink too much water while climbing, you literally sap your energy in a high altitude. So, you adapt to the situation. And move.

Sir thank you for your insights.
By ear protection I meant to say the Comtacs (tactical headsets) which causes louder noise cancellation and feeble noise amplification. Most importantly they are ear protection + communication headset that increases the situational awareness of the soldiers exponentially. I was not talking about range hearing protection..
Guess I termed it inappropriately.

Sir about the gloves they are pretty essential gear. The problem I was highlighting was that the gloves are seen with the para irregularly. That means they do not have provisions for adequate gloves. It is not like they have gloves and choose not to wear it. If that was the case then they would atleast carry the gloves around for emergency application. They do not have gloves. Besides good combat gloves absorb sweat and are comfortable to operate with even at high temp. And we have seen several western SOF(infantry also...) In afganistan operating with gloves where the temp is much higher than 30 degree Celsius.
Regards.

 

[Marliii]

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[Scramjet]

Sir thank you for your insights.
By ear protection I meant to say the Comtacs (tactical headsets) which causes louder noise cancellation and feeble noise amplification. Most importantly they are ear protection + communication headset that increases the situational awareness of the soldiers exponentially. I was not talking about range hearing protection..
Guess I termed it inappropriately.

Sir about the gloves they are pretty essential gear. The problem I was highlighting was that the gloves are seen with the para irregularly. That means they do not have provisions for adequate gloves. It is not like they have gloves and choose not to wear it. If that was the case then they would atleast carry the gloves around for emergency application. They do not have gloves. Besides good combat gloves absorb sweat and are comfortable to operate with even at high temp. And we have seen several western SOF(infantry also...) In afganistan operating with gloves where the temp is much higher than 30 degree Celsius.
Regards.

One question from my side, since our ears
act as thermoregulators, does the comtac system hinder with optimal performance during LRRP sort of operations (that too in extreme terrain that our SFs operate in barring CASO ops) ?