Indian Special Forces

[Marliii]

No point in restructuring SF units or raising new units when the existing units are not being properly armed and used in their actual mandate.

The plan of arming the Para SFs with SCAR/KH-416s have been lying in limbo with the MOD for many years. Even basic things like BPJ, Helmets, SDRs, take years to implement.

Even if scar h and l are procured some of them will go to para airborne.when para sf got tavors airborne also got them in that early period itself

 

[Killbot]

Did the Para did the Strike? No
Dis the Ghataks did the strikes? Yes (under 4 Para leadership).

Ghataks were involved, but as support for Para, AFAIK. You can't just place an infantry unit under Para leadership and expect them to perform. It's just not feasible without months of training.

Why do you think probationers get in field training? Compatibility.

 

[Maitreya Shyam]

No point in restructuring SF units or raising new units when the existing units are not being properly armed and used in their actual mandate.

The plan of arming the Para SFs with SCAR/KH-416s have been lying in limbo with the MOD for many years. Even basic things like BPJ, Helmets, SDRs, take years to implement.

I think special forces will go for iwi arad

 

[Maitreya Shyam]

I think special forces will go for iwi arad

Bhai hass kyu rahe ho kuch galat nahi bola hai thik hai

 

[Marliii]

I think special forces will go for iwi arad

They should select some good rifle they have been using old tavors of 2000era and som fab mod ak and some are equiped with basic ak.

 

[FalconSlayers]

I think special forces will go for iwi arad

This is what is needed.

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

Even if scar h and l are procured some of them will go to para airborne.when para sf got tavors airborne also got them in that early period itself

In a way you can say army does not do partiality. Everyone gets the same equipment. But the training differs. Thus Indian SF personnel feels elite not because of their equipment (same as RR and CRPFs) or operations (mostly CIs), but because of their superior training which make them very hardy soldiers.

However, interesting thing to note is that what the Para SFs are doing now is best mandate they can get. They are ocassionally allowed cross border raids. In UPA times it was unthinkable that Government will allow them.

Thus no point in raising Tier-1 units or practising capabilities which pertains to Western definition of Tier-1 operations. Government would simply not allow. Any time such a situation arise, Government will develop cold feet.

 

[Aditya Roy]

Even if scar h and l are procured some of them will go to para airborne.when para sf got tavors airborne also got them in that early period itself

We need a separate Special Forces Regiment and establish the Parachute Regiment as an elite Airborne Infantry reg. on lines of British Parachute Regiment or the 82nd Airborne. Every time this proposal was made the Army bureaucracy( yes, you read it right) cunningly sabotaged the effort.

Also, we need more equality in the army. As General Panag(2020) pointed out -
''Over the last 50 years, most modern armies have done away with officers’ messes and JCO/sergeant’ messes on financial grounds and to promote egalitarianism. Even the British Army, from which we inherited this culture, is in the process of introducing radical reforms such as doing away with the regimental system and the mess culture. To this extent, there is a case to shut down the officers’ messes/JCO clubs and have an optimum, common number of messes for all ranks in each unit.''

Link to the article -

Bureaucracy intact in Indian military. DMA only brings ill-advised orders for armed forces

CDS Rawat-led Department of Military Affairs is trying to fix measures for habitat and infrastructure projects of the armed forces. But its measures signal far-reaching reforms.

theprint.in

 

[Marliii]

In a way you can say army does not do partiality. Everyone gets the same equipment. But the training differs. Thus Indian SF personnel feels elite not because of their equipment (same as RR and CRPFs) or operations (mostly CIs), but because of their superior training which make them very hardy soldiers.

However, interesting thing to note is that what the Para SFs are doing now is best mandate they can get. They are ocassionally allowed cross border raids. In UPA times it was unthinkable that Government will allow them.

Thus no point in raising Tier-1 units or practising capabilities which pertains to Western definition of Tier-1 operations. Government would simply not allow. Any time such a situation arise, Government will develop cold feet.

This is not about partiality there were reports about army equiping para sf regiments with basic ak s as they didn't had tavors.this is happening when the para airborne has tavors.first meet the equipment need of SF guys then airborne.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Did the Para did the Strike? No
Dis the Ghataks did the strikes? Yes (under 4 Para leadership).

No.

Ghataks just engaged Pak Army posts in firing.

 

[FalconSlayers]

No.

Ghataks just engaged Pak Army posts in firing.

How are you damn sure about it?

 

[rkhanna]

. In UPA times it was unthinkable that Government will allow them.

Sorry but SF has been doing cross border raids irrespective of the Govt in power for a very long time. The only difference is the scale and the fact that this govt used them for marketing purposes

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

Sorry but SF has been doing cross border raids irrespective of the Govt in power for a very long time. The only difference is the scale and the fact that this govt used them for marketing purposes

In UPA times it was mainly initated by the local commander. There was no government sanction. Even for retaliting to ceasefire violation were not permitted at most times. Since 2014 things have changed. Government has the tactit support for fire assaults, artilery exchanges and cross-border raids. However big sized raids are only sanctions as a response to a big terrorist attack.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

How are you damn sure about it?

Open source .

Newsx interview..History channel documentary.

Ghataks didnt cross LOC.

 

[rkhanna]

In UPA times it was mainly initated by the local commander. There was no government sanction. Even for retaliting to ceasefire violation were not permitted at most times. Since 2014 things have changed. Government has the tactit support for fire assaults, artilery exchanges and cross-border raids. However big sized raids are only sanctions as a response to a big terrorist attack.

GOI sanction for the airstrikes strikes was a bigger deal. And please don't tell me local commanders don't get sign off from AHQ to do a cross borsee raid against a nuclear armed neighbour. Hell I know of across IB raids as well not just LOC

Also pakistan and india in the last 10 years is different from the previous 10 years. Economically militarily and in terms of geopolitics.

Reading any more into that is too much guesswork

 

[rkhanna]

Open source .

Newsx interview..History channel documentary.

Ghataks didnt cross LOC.

Yes Ghataks did not cross LOC. Though 'LoC' itself is a moving target in that terrain. They set up bases of fire to cover the exfil

 

[fire starter]

 

[Pig benis on sushy]

In UPA times it was mainly initated by the local commander. There was no government sanction. Even for retaliting to ceasefire violation were not permitted at most times. Since 2014 things have changed. Government has the tactit support for fire assaults, artilery exchanges and cross-border raids. However big sized raids are only sanctions as a response to a big terrorist attack.

I think there was a operation where heads of porkis soldiers or policeman were taken and then burned only the commander of the operation knew it didn't go up to the government as the commander himself said the sf guys and commander of op would go into serious trouble.

 

[Tactical Doge]

I think there was a operation where heads of porkis soldiers or policeman were taken and then burned only the commander of the operation knew it didn't go up to the government as the commander himself said the sf guys and commander of op would go into serious trouble.

Apache?

 

[Scramjet]

Making tier 1 force from scratch is gonna get a lot of opposition from Para sf as they will see it as an competition and encroachment on their mandate

I believe it'd be raised by an officer from Para SF only