Indian Special Forces

[AVINASH4061]

Also sir try getting someone down south to test it out as hot and humid weaher is alost guaranteed. If you do it now even monsoon testing can be done.

I believe North East is the benchmark, trust me on this.

 

[AVINASH4061]

I'm from Assam, Sir. Can I get a trail piece, please?

Unfortunately only 4 samples. Bulk production shall be ready within 2 months. I want it to be flawless.

 

[another_armchair]

Monsoon haven't started wait a week or two
But it's bloody hot here for sure

Was in Kalpetta(Wayanad) sometime in March many years ago. Was drenched to my jocks at 5 pm in the evening. That's when it struck me how and why Mallus(Men & Women) make do with such modest clothing.

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

Can anyone tell where does 12 PARA SF mainly operate? NE or somewhere else?

 

[Tactical Doge]

Was in Kalpetta(Wayanad) sometime in March many years ago. Was drenched to my jocks at 5 pm in the evening. That's when it struck me how and why Mallus(Men & Women) make do with such modest clothing.

Wayanad is a hill station sorta not much heat there
If you want real heat get along the coastal belt Kochi.malappuram.Kozhikode,
Unrelated: That's where Major Sandeep Unnikrishnan's native place is, also Major Vivek Jacob is from Trivandrum, It also gets real humid there

 

[Hellenic Zeus]

Should India create a new sf unit dedicated for mountain warfare called mountain strike corps?? Kinda like rashtriya rifles for counter terrorism operations but specialise in mountains. I know we don't consider rr as any sf, but it is in any case

 

[Maitreya Shyam]

Should India create a new sf unit dedicated for mountain warfare called mountain strike corps?? Kinda like rashtriya rifles for counter terrorism operations but specialise in mountains. I know we don't consider rr as any sf, but it is in any case

There is already one mountain strike corps

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

Should India create a new sf unit dedicated for mountain warfare called mountain strike corps?? Kinda like rashtriya rifles for counter terrorism operations but specialise in mountains. I know we don't consider rr as any sf, but it is in any case

We have the 17 Corps in Panagarh which has 1 division operational and another in the making, reserves from this corps were called in for executing Op Snow Leopard.
As far as special forces are concerned 2,4,9 PARA SF operate a lot in high altitude areas and 9 (maybe 4 as well) was in eastern Ladakh last year.

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

@AVINASH4061

Of what I know, 2,4,9 specialize in mountain warfare; 11,12,21 in jungle warfare; 3,10 in desert warfare and 1 in urban warfare. So is this differentiation valid today or was it an old days thought?

 

[Hellenic Zeus]

We have the 17 Corps in Panagarh which has 1 division operational and another in the making, reserves from this corps were called in for executing Op Snow Leopard.
As far as special forces are concerned 2,4,9 PARA SF operate a lot in high altitude areas and 9 (maybe 4 as well) was in eastern Ladakh last year.

Probably we should create a dedicated sf corps for it combining 17th corps and the para sf units which specialises in it, just like parachute regiment where basic airborne infantry and sf are present

 

[abingdonboy]

@abingdonboy

You were talking about them going toward faster mag changes instead of those dual-mag contraptions they have on MP5s now - take a look at those pouches. Open tops with no flaps, facilitating quick mag change.

As opposed to how they used to be:

Exactly my observation, going from these PCs/FLCs with flaps and dual mags to open mag moulds is quite a big departure from NSG's SOPs of old, will be interesting to see how quickly this becomes standardised.


+ @Gessler are you able to identify what's on the right shoulder of the operator in the "new" pics? Looks like an antenna of some sorts? Not sure I've seen something like that before.

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

Exactly my observation, going from these PCs/FLCs with flaps and dual mags to open mag moulds is quite a big departure from NSG's SOPs of old, will be interesting to see how quickly this becomes standardised.


+ @Gessler are you able to identify what's on the right shoulder of the operator in the "new" pics? Looks like an antenna of some sorts? Not sure I've seen something like that before.

What are these?
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this one right?

 

[abingdonboy]

I don’t think this is the right thread to post this, but couldn’t think of which other thread to post it on.
Who provides security to the Chief the Navy? I’m referring to the gentleman in the safari suit in the tweet I’ve attached. Never seen any other service chief with SF protection other than COAS, so I wanted to know who protects the other 2 service chiefs?
Also @AVINASH4061sir, what do you feel about the COAS using Para SF members as bodyguards? Wouldn’t it be better if few members of the military police are trained for such kinds of roles atleast for peace areas?

CNS has a security detail from Naval police

Yes but we were discussing a situation had he not been caught and contacted us from a hidden location.

RAW would activate its assets.

Wing Co Abhinandan would have been zeroed.

Para SF or SG or our assets in POK would have been activated.

Para operators cross LOC regularly and could have linked up with him and brought him back.

There is no way i would imagine Garuds getting down from a helo and bombasting Paki Infantry and Mujahideen battalion posts and extracted him.

Only Rambo does that shit.

That's an entirely different scenario to the one I thought we were talking about, realistically a CSAR operation is only going to be successful if completed within the first few hours of the shoot down, after that it's an entirely different story. In your scenario a PARA (SF) team would probably be more appropriate but I doubt they'd be too successful. Maybe a mission for SG.

I don't agree. CSAR has nothing to do with the mode of infil and exfil. Also I know how capb Garuds are. They had to search/ extract of whatever waa left of the plane and crash in our territory and it was impossible for them and don't ask me about their faces. Leave alone they going on foot in HIGH ALTI mountains and doing CSAR.

I'm sorry but with all due respect I cannot agree with this. CSAR is 100% about speed of infiltration and extraction and hence all about aerial insertion


I cannot think of a single CSAR operation that has been conducted on foot.


Of course the Indian context is different as the LOC is far hotter than any AO that Western CSAR units have successfully operated but speaking purely abstractly the Garuds are the ONLY CSAR unit India has and they are specifically trained for it. Their inability to do so (because of training, equipment and other shortcomings) is a separate subject.

 

[abingdonboy]

this one right?

Indeed

 

[abingdonboy]

this one right?

Indeed

Looks like it's this:

a 360 degree camera, I imagine they use this for de-briefs

Just more evidence that NSG is a step ahead of any other specialist unit in India where it concerns training and performance monitoring

 

[AVINASH4061]

@AVINASH4061

Of what I know, 2,4,9 specialize in mountain warfare; 11,12,21 in jungle warfare; 3,10 in desert warfare and 1 in urban warfare. So is this differentiation valid today or was it an old days thought?

Most of it is true.

Abso

Should India create a new sf unit dedicated for mountain warfare called mountain strike corps?? Kinda like rashtriya rifles for counter terrorism operations but specialise in mountains. I know we don't consider rr as any sf, but it is in any case
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[AVINASH4061]

CNS has a security detail from Naval police




That's an entirely different scenario to the one I thought we were talking about, realistically a CSAR operation is only going to be successful if completed within the first few hours of the shoot down, after that it's an entirely different story. In your scenario a PARA (SF) team would probably be more appropriate but I doubt they'd be too successful. Maybe a mission for SG.



I'm sorry but with all due respect I cannot agree with this. CSAR is 100% about speed of infiltration and extraction and hence all about aerial insertion


I cannot think of a single CSAR operation that has been conducted on foot.


Of course the Indian context is different as the LOC is far hotter than any AO that Western CSAR units have successfully operated but speaking purely abstractly the Garuds are the ONLY CSAR unit India has and they are specifically trained for it. Their inability to do so (because of training, equipment and other shortcomings) is a separate subject.

And what would you do when the adversary has excellent air defence and air superiority? When he shoots down your planes in a conventional war. How would you bring back the pilot? The definitions in book are for guidance, they change with the scenarios and terrain.

 

[Inderjeet Singh]

Unfortunately only 4 samples. Bulk production shall be ready within 2 months. I want it to be flawless.
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Sir add collar to shirt

 

[AVINASH4061]

Sure, thanks. In the next design

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]