Indian Special Forces

[Indrajit]

Bhai saab my uncle is an instructor in CRPF for COBRA and has never seen a single dual tube NVG forget about quad one. May be the guy is wearing a demo piece. He said " one thing is certain that it is a demo piece. If this piece of equipment ever comes into the system then we will first see it with the army". And when I asked him about its use then he said that they do not use NVGs, they use flood lights in ops.

Of course it's a demo piece, it looks like the middle of the day. Not exactly the time to be wearing NVG's.

 

[Ujjain]

don't they have the single tube or monocular nvd?
According to Wikipedia COBRA has a size of 10000 and an annual budget of almost 2 billion dollars despite that why are they so under equipped.
PS: the source mention in Wikipedia for this info is from a telegraph article from 2015 which isn't accessible now

Cobra with 2 fuckin Billion $ budget? Who wrote those numbers bhai? Numbers are also exaggerated. These guys die almost regularly of mosquito borne diseases in ops and still you think they have such a huge budget? My uncle was bitten by a venomous snake in Dantewada last year during an op and he was carried on a makeshift jugad to his camp where a doctor was able to save him. They also don't get air support for recce and even for extraction. Finally, they do have some single tube NVGs but in very small numbers.

 

[rkhanna]

Bhai saab my uncle is an instructor in CRPF for COBRA and has never seen a single dual tube NVG forget about quad one. May be the guy is wearing a demo piece. He said " one thing is certain that it is a demo piece. If this piece of equipment ever comes into the system then we will first see it with the army". And when I asked him about its use then he said that they do not use NVGs, they use flood lights in ops.

It doesn't matter even of Cobra has them they will never be used. When Tavors were issued to newly minted Cobras soldiers there orders were to never take the Guns outside of the camp \ base for the fear that they would get damaged. Lol

 

[Scramjet]

don't they have the single tube or monocular nvd?
According to Wikipedia COBRA has a size of 10000 and an annual budget of almost 2 billion dollars despite that why are they so under equipped.
PS: the source mention in Wikipedia for this info is from a telegraph article from 2015 which isn't accessible now

The do have BEL's Bi-ocular one and even pvs 14s
But most of the times they use floodlights

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

Cobra with 2 fuckin Billion $ budget? Who wrote those numbers bhai? Numbers are also exaggerated. These guys die almost regularly of mosquito borne diseases in ops and still you think they have such a huge budget? My uncle was bitten by a venomous snake in Dantewada last year during an op and he was carried on a makeshift jugad to his camp where a doctor was able to save him. They also don't get air support for recce and even for extraction. Finally, they do have some single tube NVGs but in very small numbers.

The number was mentioned in a telegraph article of 2015 which has now been retrieved

 

[Ujjain]

It doesn't matter even of Cobra has them they will never be used. When Tavors were issued to newly minted Cobras soldiers there orders were to never take the Guns outside of the camp \ base for the fear that they would get damaged. Lol

I am aware of that story. Infact when they were allowed to take them out in ops they were given specific instructions to take care the sights.

 

[Marliii]

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

I am aware of that story. Infact when they were allowed to take them out in ops they were given specific instructions to take care the sights.

So now do they use the tavors in ops or not?

 

[rkhanna]

So now do they use the tavors in ops or not?

AK derivatives still the gun of choice

 

[Marliii]

So now do they use the tavors in ops or not?

For roomclearing and CQB its very advantantageous

 

[FalconSlayers]

AK derivatives still the gun of choice

I’ve seen Tavors too in regular CRPF as well.

 

[ALBY]

It doesn't matter even of Cobra has them they will never be used. When Tavors were issued to newly minted Cobras soldiers there orders were to never take the Guns outside of the camp \ base for the fear that they would get damaged. Lol

Absolutely true. I can vouch for that as one of my friend who is part of it had said it around the tkme of induction. Even jn Manipur they go out with Insas of the above reason.

 

[Marliii]

I’ve seen Tavors too in regular CRPF as well.

They have bought 12000 of them

 

[ALBY]

I’ve seen Tavors too in regular CRPF as well.

Most of them are with regulars. Cobras mainly use Aks due to the penetration power of Aks in woods were range and accuracy doesnt matter much but spraying

 

[Fire and groove]

TONBO doesn't sell less than a couple dozen to 100 at a time. There is something called scale of production.

Please go and ask active PARA SF operators and veterans like @AVINASH4061 Sir if they would like to have gear like this :

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Instead of this :

BTW this is CRPF QAT from a few years ago :

Even PARA Airborne are starting to get better gear :

This is the most 'TACTICOOL' image of PARA SF aka our Tier 1 SF unit :

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Something somewhere is horribly wrong in terms of priorities.

You don't seriously think the government can afford to spend a minimum of 30,000 USD a piece on the most overrated force in the country do you? 100? I bet they barely have 50 of them, if not a dozen. And if we're mixing PR with ground realities here, why not show the nagrota pics of the SF here? Atleast they're actually there, and not posing for a photoshoot.

 

[FalconSlayers]

They have bought 12000 of them

I don’t understand a clusterfuck of rifles and small arms in our Armed Forces. If buy X-95, make it standard for CRPF, every one has an AK for no reason. AK-47 is too big and not sensible for every situation considering if the soldier is short.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Most of them are with regulars. Cobras mainly use Aks due to the penetration power of Aks in woods were range and accuracy doesnt matter much but spraying

BSF also has a lot of X-95s.

 

[Marliii]

I don’t understand a clusterfuck of rifles and small arms in our Armed Forces. If buy X-95, make it standard for CRPF, every one has an AK for no reason. AK-47 is too big and not sensible for every situation considering if the soldier is short.

The reality is every country selects their rifle according to their war fighting needs.US army going to 6.8 ,marines with m27,israelis with x95 for urban needs.we are like always DUMB

 

[FalconSlayers]

The reality is every country selects their rifle according to their war fighting needs.US army going to 6.8 ,marines with m27,israelis with x95 for urban needs.we are like always DUMB

In USA everyone has a M4A1 pattern assault rifle from Police to the military, we have a clusterfuck.
Why not go for 5.56 as standard? Just because your INSAS round was dumb doesn’t mean it will be the same for every gun, it had a 890m/s muzzle velocity with a fuckin 18.3” of barrel while an M4A1 has a 910m/s muzzle velocity with a 14.5” barrel. Obviously INSAS would’ve been useless. 890m/s is only slightly higher than some 5.56 NATO SBRs.

I don’t get this logic of 7.62 is better, if so why the Russians themselves don’t use it? The Bulgarians use 5.56x45mm NATO AK-47s (their own domestic Arsenal AKs), Poland uses 5.56x45mm NATO AK-47s (their own domestic Beryl AKs), Russians use 5.45x39 Kalashnikovs, Belarusian Army uses 5.45x39mm Kalashnikovs, Ukrainian Army standard is 5.45x39mm Kalashnikovs (ask @Akim, if I’m wrong, I’ve seen only a few 7.62x39mm AKs in Ukrainian military). THESE ALL ARE SLAVIC COUNTRIES WHO ARE CULTURALLY VERY SIMILAR AND THEIR TERRAINS AND TRAINING ETC ARE SIMILAR).

NATO standard is 5.56x45 NATO cartridge, only the poor countries are using the 7.62x39mm as they don’t have any other choice snd options, most of post soviet states use 5.45x39.

 

[Ujjain]

The number was mentioned in a telegraph article of 2015 which has now been retrieved

These media walas will make any number out of thin air and throw at you and it's up to you to take it or leave it. Reality is that our forces are over stretched and grossly under equiped. The problems are lack of funds and lack of strategic understanding of conflicts which means optimal utilisation of forces in conflict resolution.