Indian Special Forces

[Hellenic Zeus]

Isn't 22SF and SG the same?
I maybe wrong, but there's some law that forbids R&AW from operating on home soil without supervision of IB(knowledge from the web series special ops)

So the international thing makes sense although it's skeptical for me

Does IB operate any SF unit dedicated for domestic operations?? I really wish it has one comparable to fbi hrt

 

[Hellenic Zeus]

NSG is only comparable unit to FBI HRT but it’s under Home Ministry not IB.

nsg works closely with law enforcement agencies, nsg itself is a law enforcement agency, its not used for clandestine operations or unconventional operations in our soil, which fits the role of IB. FBI has two agencies under it, swat for law enforcement duty and hrt for clandestine operations, on top of that USA has NSA under which it has another sf unit dedicated for clandestine operations

 

[MIDKNIGHT FENERIR-00]

nsg works closely with law enforcement agencies, nsg itself is a law enforcement agency, its not used for clandestine operations or unconventional operations in our soil, which fits the role of IB. FBI has two agencies under it, swat for law enforcement duty and hrt for clandestine operations, on top of that USA has NSA under which it has another sf unit dedicated for clandestine operations

IB doesn’t have any units dedicated to clandestine operation so NSG was closest or Comparable unit that I can think. IB could have created similar units but it stuck under bureaucratic red tape like many other Indian Agencies.

 

[Maitreya Shyam]

Does IB operate any SF unit dedicated for domestic operations?? I really wish it has one comparable to fbi hrt

I think ats

 

[Tactical Doge]

I think ats

ATS is not even remotely related to SF
AFAIK, ATS is purely an int unit

 

[Scramjet]

Does IB operate any SF unit dedicated for domestic operations?? I really wish it has one comparable to fbi hrt

NSG? Probably that fabled TOP MEN TEAM (the ones who get phantom grade in probation) ?
*speculative answer*

 

[Spindrift]

Does IB operate any SF unit dedicated for domestic operations?? I really wish it has one comparable to fbi hrt

Nope, their mandate is intelligence gathering on domestic matters, counter espionage and analysis and assessments. They generally pass on the intelligence gathered to a the local stake holders for example: in UP they'll pass on the info to the UP police and it would depend on the UP police to handle the situation as they deem it to be fit and for the North East, they would probably pass on the intel to the military or para military org that is charge of the place, etc

 

[vampyrbladez]

Was it R&AW or Military intelligence

"Trying to topple a democratically elected government"

Here's what happened :

https://www.sundayguardianlive.com/...re-army-intelligence-ops#.XF-w0H7TffE.twitter

Watch the movie Aiyaary for a Bollywood 'Info-Entertainment' documentary.

 

[Hellenic Zeus]

Nope, their mandate is intelligence gathering on domestic matters, counter espionage and analysis and assessments. They generally pass on the intelligence gathered to a the local stake holders for example: in UP they'll pass on the info to the UP police and it would depend on the UP police to handle the situation as they deem it to be fit and for the North East, they would probably pass on the intel to the military or para military org that is charge of the place, etc

Let me tell you something, no matter how good your intelligence is or how well you trust your local law enforcement agencies, there will always be intelligence leak, irregularity in the way of conducting an operation which goes against the interests of the Intelligence agencies, which was more rift and damage than good. Hence the reason why you see countries who take their national security seriously (US fbi nsa, Russia fsb spetsnaz, Israeli shin be, etc) will have dedicated tactical sf units embedded within them autonomously to not interfere or endanger the intelligence they have and etc. These are the reasons why countries like US have dedicated sf teams like that despite having standby teams similar to nsg or more capable. When it comes to internal national security you have to look in two ways
* In law enforcement pov
* In intelligence pov
Both these things should not intermingle with each other

 

[Hellenic Zeus]

Let me tell you something, no matter how good your intelligence is or how well you trust your local law enforcement agencies, there will always be intelligence leak, irregularity in the way of conducting an operation which goes against the interests of the Intelligence agencies, which was more rift and damage than good. Hence the reason why you see countries who take their national security seriously (US fbi nsa, Russia fsb spetsnaz, Israeli shin be, etc) will have dedicated tactical sf units embedded within them autonomously to not interfere or endanger the intelligence they have and etc. These are the reasons why countries like US have dedicated sf teams like that despite having standby teams similar to nsg or more capable. When it comes to internal national security you have to look in two ways
* In law enforcement pov
* In intelligence pov
Both these things should not intermingle with each other

P.S I have attended a conference given by an ex fbi agent about national security in Seattle, he explained everything beautifully which I learnt a lot. Americans really learnt a lot from 9/11 which changed their national security system

 

[ALBY]

Nope, their mandate is intelligence gathering on domestic matters, counter espionage and analysis and assessments. They generally pass on the intelligence gathered to a the local stake holders for example: in UP they'll pass on the info to the UP police and it would depend on the UP police to handle the situation as they deem it to be fit and for the North East, they would probably pass on the intel to the military or para military org that is charge of the place, etc

On paper or theoretically its true. But IB rarely gives out info to local police that too only if it fits their motive. Generally They wont share info involving law and order issues. Though there will be conferences of Intel guys and police officers in every district the sharing of info is most times one sided.

 

[ALBY]

sir ji, if u don't mind cud u explain the Technical Support division saga? @Gessler any idea
@WARREN SS said that that RAW and army established a network in Kahmir which was opposed by IB babus and got it wreked??

any idea others?

Sorry i dont have much info except those available on net. Ask @rkhanna @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR, they might give u an unbiased answer.

 

[Scramjet]

Perhaps the only time i've seen a JPC with our guys during an op

 

[bole]

Perhaps the only time i've seen a JPC with our guys during an op

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What's JPC, I see only M4 in the hands of Indian Armed Force personnel

 

[ALBY]

What's JPC, I see only M4 in the hands of Indian Armed Force personnel

Jumpable plate carrier

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

Perhaps the only time i've seen a JPC with our guys during an op

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Ghatak platoon member

 

[Marliii]

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Ghatak platoon member

These 70s helmets are still in service?

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

These 70s helmets are still in service?

Yes

 

[Ujjain]

One more Quad NVG CRPF QAT

Bhai saab my uncle is an instructor in CRPF for COBRA and has never seen a single dual tube NVG forget about quad one. May be the guy is wearing a demo piece. He said " one thing is certain that it is a demo piece. If this piece of equipment ever comes into the system then we will first see it with the army". And when I asked him about its use then he said that they do not use NVGs, they use flood lights in ops.

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

Bhai saab my uncle is an instructor in CRPF for COBRA and has never seen a single dual tube NVG forget about quad one. May be the guy is wearing a demo piece. He said " one thing is certain that it is a demo piece. If this piece of equipment ever comes into the system then we will first see it with the army". And when I asked him about its use then he said that they do not use NVGs, they use flood lights in ops.

don't they have the single tube or monocular nvd?
According to Wikipedia COBRA has a size of 10000 and an annual budget of almost 2 billion dollars despite that why are they so under equipped.
PS: the source mention in Wikipedia for this info is from a telegraph article from 2015 which isn't accessible now