Indian Special Forces

[12arya]

This page is really gud. No fanboyism but gud posts.

 

[Phantom sierra]

 

[India Super Power]

I heard that para sf opting for beretta M9A1 with crimson laser

 

[ALBY]

was there H&K rifles ever in IA’s inventory?

this is the last I know of H&K, don’t think IA even bothered about them after this.

Heckler & Koch to stop doing deals with non-NATO countries: DPA

German arms manufacturer Heckler & Koch will no longer sign contracts to supply countries outside of NATO's influence because it has become too difficult to obtain government approval for such deals, news agency DPA reported on Monday.

www.reuters.com

It was never. SF never used any HK weapon. Capfs, Marcos used HK ones like PSG, Mp5 etc

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

PARA SF
CDS's CPF

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

PARA SF
CDS's CPF

Red beret is military police?

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

Red beret is military police?

Yes

 

[Killbot]

I heard that para sf opting for beretta M9A1 with crimson laser

Nope. Beretta Px4 storm.

 

[India Super Power]

Nope. Beretta Px4 storm.

Do you have any pic

 

[Vishalreddy3]

I remember we had a big debate in the previous Indian SF thread where why Para SF are still being used for close protection??
Other countries train their Military Police to do that job. Using ur most premier SF unit for this job is so wrong, this should be really changed.

 

[Killbot]

Do you have any pic

 

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[Gessler]

I remember we had a big debate in the previous Indian SF thread where why Para SF are still being used for close protection??
Other countries train their Military Police to do that job. Using ur most premier SF unit for this job is so wrong, this should be really changed.

I'd say it depends on situation. Providing Personal Security Details (PSDs) is a job performed almost routinely by even Tier-1 operators in US like Delta.

Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf (their COAS during Gulf Wars):

Delta (as well as other units from JSOC) still does PSD for important personages (including Chiefs of Staff) around the world depending on threat perception.

Thing is, its very difficult to source top-grade operators who're in their prime from anywhere except SF. Either they need to be deputed from SF into a specialist cell with PSD role, or just assigned from within their current Btn to this role. Latter is simpler, but either way its a drain on same resource pool so doesn't matter.

That, or you need to create & maintain a new sub-organization within MP like SPG dedicated for raising & training a cadre specifically for this role. Regular MPs who's job profile includes arresting drunken solider from canteen just aren't fit for this task.

But creating a new resource pool is a very expensive proposition and I very much doubt MoD would sign off on such budgets - Plus, to them creating SPG-type org for military would seem like making Generals on par with elected representatives of top office.

Democratically elected leaders, whether Indian or American, are always queasy with such a proposition.

 

[Vishalreddy3]

I'd say it depends on situation. Providing Personal Security Details (PSDs) is a job performed almost routinely by even Tier-1 operators in US like Delta.

Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf (their COAS during Gulf Wars):

Delta (as well as other units from JSOC) still does PSD for important personages (including Chiefs of Staff) around the world depending on threat perception.

Thing is, its very difficult to source top-grade operators who're in their prime from anywhere except SF. Either they need to be deputed from SF into a specialist cell with PSD role, or just assigned from within their current Btn to this role. Latter is simpler, but either way its a drain on same resource pool so doesn't matter.

That, or you need to create & maintain a new sub-organization within MP like SPG dedicated for raising & training a cadre specifically for this role. Regular MPs who's job profile includes arresting drunken solider from canteen just aren't fit for this task.

But creating a new resource pool is a very expensive proposition and I very much doubt MoD would sign off on such budgets - Plus, to them creating SPG-type org for military would seem like making Generals on par with elected representatives of top office.

Democratically elected leaders, whether Indian or American, are always queasy with such a proposition.

But they has to be some changes that needs to be made!! Also all those Tier 1 operators who provide close protection are almost always in foreign land not in their own country!! Its much simpler to create a specialised battalion in Military Police than any other organisation, since almost the funding can be utilised here and not to mention training can be provided by Para SF.

 

[Gessler]

But they has to be some changes that needs to be made!! Also all those Tier 1 operators who provide close protection are almost always in foreign land not in their own country!!

Yes because the US doesn't have enemies on its borders, we do. Like I said it depends on threat perception.

When our COAS visits posts near border areas, he's within India but he's also barely few kms away from enemy forces. Sometimes only few 100s of meters. Enemy SFs can always mount a raid which can completely disrupt our Command & Control. Protecting high-level command is a strategic requirement which is why either India or US would expend nothing less than the best of the best in terms of operators to protect them when threat perceptions are suitably high.

 

[Vishalreddy3]

Yes because the US doesn't have enemies on its borders, we do. Like I said it depends on threat perception.

When our COAS visits posts near border areas, he's within India but he's also barely few kms away from enemy forces. Sometimes only few 100s of meters. Enemy SFs can always mount a raid which can completely disrupt our Command & Control. Protecting high-level command is a strategic requirement which is why either India or US would expend nothing less than the best of the best in terms of operators to protect them when threat perceptions are suitably high.

I agree, but how about transfer Para SF operators into MP or better yet train a set of operators from MP on the lines of Para SF?? It's a viable solution right?

 

[Killbot]

I agree, but how about transfer Para SF operators into MP or better yet train a set of operators from MP on the lines of Para SF?? It's a viable solution right?

Waste of resources. And then there will be chain of command BS to sort out. Why go through all that when you can just depute Para SF for close protection.

 

[Narendra s rawat]

I agree, but how about transfer Para SF operators into MP or better yet train a set of operators from MP on the lines of Para SF?? It's a viable solution right?

There are 9000 personal in MP in total and approx that much is the no of Para SF in Indian army so why waste resource on MP when we are getting what we need.

 

[Gessler]

I agree, but how about transfer Para SF operators into MP or better yet train a set of operators from MP on the lines of Para SF?? It's a viable solution right?

I literally addressed both these methods in previous post. And also said why they are unlikely to be done.

but how about transfer Para SF operators into MP

" Either they need to be deputed from SF into a specialist cell with PSD role, or just assigned from within their current Btn to this role. Latter is simpler, but either way its a drain on same resource pool so doesn't matter. "

better yet train a set of operators from MP on the lines of Para SF??

" That, or you need to create & maintain a new sub-organization within MP like SPG dedicated for raising & training a cadre specifically for this role. Regular MPs who's job profile includes arresting drunken solider from canteen just aren't fit for this task.

But creating a new resource pool is a very expensive proposition and I very much doubt MoD would sign off on such budgets - Plus, to them creating SPG-type org for military would seem like making Generals on par with elected representatives of top office.

Democratically elected leaders, whether Indian or American, are always queasy with such a proposition. "

 

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