Indian Special Forces

[Killbot]

Its a Beretta GD joint design. Fires the .277 cartridge (6.8*47mm). With that long-ass barrel, it can throw that 135gr projectile at over 3100 fps speed. Its gonna be insanely powerful.

fps is feet per second here btw.

 

[Pig benis on sushy]

Folks have few queries.

I see NSG operators are getting more muscular when compared to PARA SF, wonder if its a conscious decision or depending on individual. I see Para to be lean rather than muscular, is it coz of difference in the way they operate?

Are NSG derived only from PARA SF battalions or even folks from any branch of army can apply without being a PARA SF?

How good are CRPF QRT and COBRA, I always see them pushed to perimeter control in an encounter. RR and Para takes the lead. Is it not a good idea to deploy COBRA in the jungles rather than PARA and CRPF QRT for engaging local wannabies?

You can apply for posting in NSG without being parasf

 

[Tactical Doge]

fps is feet per second here btw.

Don't wanna confuse the gamers

 

[Narendra s rawat]

Jvpc was developed as replaced for SAF carbine which didn't happened and for new caliber for new carbine was changed to 5.56x45 Nato for better penetration.

Jvpc is now under PDW catogary and nobody is really interested replacing Jvpc with existing Strom(BSF),MP5(NSG),MP9(Ghatak).
Report were there that SPG is going to inducted JVPV as replacement over P90 is likely a false.

As Minsas rounds are underpowered compared to 5.7x28mm rounds which have proof itself maxican drug wars were five seven pistol were popular among cartel members by the name
"cop killer" for its ability to penetrate Armor easily over its 9mm counterparts.
I really wanted to see Fn P90 over newly inducted MP5a5 and MP9 in NSG and Ghatak .
P90 is really beast PDW in CQC with 50 round mag.

 

[Gessler]

Me too. The contender is the Sig MCX Spear. It has the most commonality with the M16/M4 pattern weapon systems in terms of ergonomics. The only major change over the MCX Virtus is the location of the changing handle. And the caliber ofc. (6.8*51mm). And the lightweight alloy case of the bullet is also going to be fairly cheap to produce.

Textron's entry has wayyy too many parts. Have you seen that ejection system?? Even if it does function in all climatic conditions, it is going to be expensive as hell. And then there is the question of ammo. That case telescoped cartridge would cost 6-7 times as much as conventional ammo to produce. Even Umcle Sam ain't gonna pay that much.

GD is offering a bullpup. So I guess they are out just like that. Training so many soldiers as extensively as the US does isn't going to be easy. The polymer case ammo isn't going to come cheap either.

But the real game changer is going to be the optic. It is a mini Fire Control System of sorts. It has a laser rangefinder, ballistic computer, datalink with the operator's helmet mounted display (they're doing that as well), etc. It can zero the optic based on inputs from these components. And a shit ton of other wizardry.

A stark contrast with Indian procurements. When I compare our system to theirs, I end up feeling so fucking frustrated. It starts with the clown who wrote the bloody GSQRs. Id wring his fucking neck if I found him... Three different calibers for infantry??!! This is depressing af, lol.

The SIG hybrid ammo (with steel base) requires the least changes to existing ammo-production facilities (which will have recurring cost-saving over the next several decades). That alone should be enough to get them the contract fair and square. Of course the SPEAR's commonality with AR-15 pattern arrangement of controls is the icing on the cake.

...unless US Army pulls another OICW or XM8 type stunt and just cancels the whole thing and decides to keep using M4s for another 30 years.

 

[Killbot]

...unless US Army pulls another OICW or XM8 type stunt and just cancels the whole thing and decides to keep using M4s for another 30 years.

Which is more likely than the NGSW being inducted.

But the optic and HUD will be issued a few years down the line imo.

On the contrary, the US Army is going to issue Sig TANGO6 LPVOs to soldiers in Afghanistan, Syria, etc for the M4 platform. And recent contracts like M110A1 SDMR, Mk.22 sniper (MRAD) in SOCOM, etc indicate that their army is happy with 5.56mm and .308 caliber platforms. Though .308 is just a training round wrt Mk.22..

The Marine Corps procurements make much more sense. M27 IAR for example.

 

[abingdonboy]

Some interesting tid-bits, not often you hear from the horse's mouth (a serving MARCOs officer) about specifics


MARCOs selection:

- First you have to be in the navy and have completed Navy bootcamp and basic training (no direct entry)
- Volunteer for MARCOs and first you are sent to dive school-this is actually a very decent roadmap as dive school will already ween out the weakest and it also ensures that all MARCOs know the basics of diving at least (supplemented later with after selection training), I have been researching the UK's SBS lately and it seems that in the mid/late 00s there were a large number of operators that were going straight from selection to deployment in the mid-east and hence a substantial portion of the Royal Navy's SF went their entire SBS careers without ever doing the diving module
- Selection to 'badging' is about 9 months (not sure if this includes dive school)
- The USN SEAL influence (MCF sent instructors to BUDS) is evident at least in the selection process and hell week:

- No specific breakdown was given of the selection modules but there's the obvious stress phases and physical conditioning (40km runs with 20KG loads) also mentioned is there are firing drills they have to pass and also a jungle phase (similar to SBS)
- In his course the washout rate for MARCOs selection was about 80%

Then they commence their advanced training once badged and in their specific MARCOs unit which includes CQB/CT, advanced diving, paradropping, hostile ship boarding/VBSS etc etc

This is a legitimate SOF capability and it's true that there aren't a huge number of units in the world what would regularly train to do this:

(jumping from what looks like a C-130J-30 into the middle of the ocean with a 7ton RHIB)



He also said that MARCOs have/do train with USN SEALS, UK SBS and Sri Lankan SBS although if they do there isn't any media releases about this. Never heard about MARCOs and SBS training together. (will take his word for it and if these things did happen they wouldn't necessarily be reported even though EXs like Vajra Prahar and Ex Balanced Iroquois are)


@Unknowncommando 2 I think you'll enjoy:

 

[abingdonboy]

MARCOs in Kashmir:

Still, there's NO excuse for these guys to be using un-modified basic AKs for boarding ops, inaccurate, un-optimised and just ill-suited for the role:

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

 

[operatorgrumby]

This teaser gonna give a pretty bad hard-on to so many people here;

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

MARCOS

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

9 PARA SF

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

New TAVOR 21 FLATTOP + MEPRO MOR

S-TAR 21 with ITL MARS

PARA SF

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

GALIL SAR

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

IAF Garuds

 

[FalconZero]

Some interesting tid-bits, not often you hear from the horse's mouth (a serving MARCOs officer) about specifics


MARCOs selection:

- First you have to be in the navy and have completed Navy bootcamp and basic training (no direct entry)
- Volunteer for MARCOs and first you are sent to dive school-this is actually a very decent roadmap as dive school will already ween out the weakest and it also ensures that all MARCOs know the basics of diving at least (supplemented later with after selection training), I have been researching the UK's SBS lately and it seems that in the mid/late 00s there were a large number of operators that were going straight from selection to deployment in the mid-east and hence a substantial portion of the Royal Navy's SF went their entire SBS careers without ever doing the diving module
- Selection to 'badging' is about 9 months (not sure if this includes dive school)
- The USN SEAL influence (MCF sent instructors to BUDS) is evident at least in the selection process and hell week:

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- No specific breakdown was given of the selection modules but there's the obvious stress phases and physical conditioning (40km runs with 20KG loads) also mentioned is there are firing drills they have to pass and also a jungle phase (similar to SBS)
- In his course the washout rate for MARCOs selection was about 80%

Then they commence their advanced training once badged and in their specific MARCOs unit which includes CQB/CT, advanced diving, paradropping, hostile ship boarding/VBSS etc etc


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This is a legitimate SOF capability and it's true that there aren't a huge number of units in the world what would regularly train to do this:

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(jumping from what looks like a C-130J-30 into the middle of the ocean with a 7ton RHIB)



He also said that MARCOs have/do train with USN SEALS, UK SBS and Sri Lankan SBS although if they do there isn't any media releases about this. Never heard about MARCOs and SBS training together. (will take his word for it and if these things did happen they wouldn't necessarily be reported even though EXs like Vajra Prahar and Ex Balanced Iroquois are)


@Unknowncommando 2 I think you'll enjoy:

MARCOs in Kashmir:

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Still, there's NO excuse for these guys to be using un-modified basic AKs for boarding ops, inaccurate, un-optimised and just ill-suited for the role:
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cc : @JuniorMarcos

 

[Gessler]

Garuds old(er) pic, hi-res. With those non-ballistic jump helmets.

 

[Gessler]

Clear look at the Crye G3-style (with breathable torso) QZCT in PC Disruptive camo, used by some Army and SF units:

 

[EternalNxg]

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[armyofhind]

This teaser gonna give a pretty bad hard-on to so many people here;

So ordered some stuff from them today. Let's see how good (or bad) it turns out to be quality wise.