Indian Special Forces

[Phantom sierra]

is this real or the insta dumbasses made it up again?

The admin is an army professional and claims to have met the retd. Colonel, u can scroll the comments and see it for urself. No news clippings though, even I tried to search it but found nothing. This page isn't some sort of sf fanboy shit and it's the first time a story abt sf has been posted. let's be honest not every incident makes news

 

[Phantom sierra]

Should have re-framed the sentence properly, it looks like he is bragging about the fact that the SF guy was beaten up.

Yep until you see the other slides

 

[Rubian45]

It's a slide, there's another photo.

Yep until you see the other slides

Oops, i cant see the other slides, privacy add-ons must be causing some issue with Instagram.

Edit: i checked the insta post on mobile, can see the other slides, makes sense now.

 

[Killbot]

The admin is an army professional and claims to have met the retd. Colonel, u can scroll the comments and see it for urself. No news clippings though, even I tried to search it but found nothing. This page isn't some sort of sf fanboy shit and it's the first time a story abt sf has been posted. let's be honest not every incident makes news

I have a lot of experience with martial arts. I boxed at the state and national level. I'll tell you with certainty that you can't damage a cranium or put someone on life support when you are injured yourself. Especially if you're 56 years old. Even a retired pro fighter would not pick a fight and run if attacked by guys half his age. A former spec ops soldier definitely would have more sense.

And no thief in his right mind won't be armed. I've been mugged and robbed before so I know. Take my word on this, you don't crack two armed guys' skulls without being armed yourself. I dont care who the admin is, but judging from all his posts, he is a fucking fake. He is stealing the valour of our soldiers. Either that or he is a liar. Or both. Don't post his bullshit here anymore bro.

Dude, the guy said it was in the news. You're saying every incident doesn't make news...

Edit: looked it up. Its fake all right.

 

[Phantom sierra]

I have a lot of experience with martial arts. I boxed at the state and national level. I'll tell you with certainty that you can't damage a cranium or put someone on life support when you are injured yourself. Especially if you're 56 years old. Even a retired pro fighter would not pick a fight and run if attacked by guys half his age. A former spec ops soldier definitely would have more sense.

And no thief in his right mind won't be armed. I've been mugged and robbed before so I know. Take my word on this, you don't crack two armed guys' skulls without being armed yourself. I dont care who the admin is, but judging from all his posts, he is a fucking fake. He is stealing the valour of our soldiers. Either that or he is a liar. Or both. Don't post his bullshit here anymore bro.

Dude, the guy said it was in the news. You're saying every incident doesn't make news...

Edit: looked it up. Its fake all right.

Sorry, my bad. Fanboy instinct took over logic I guess won't post such things again.

 

[Killbot]

Knives are a bitch, and judging by the hand to hand training in the SF they're definitely not trained enough or with realistic technique to make it out of that.

Thats the thing bro, unarmed techniques don't matter against armed opponents. If you grab the knife hand, you'll just get your wrists slit. You try to close in, you'll get cut. Unless you have a gun or a cricket/baseball bat, you don't stand a chance against a knife. Or if you have a sword or something. If you're unarmed and you attack, you're going to die.

 

[Killbot]

Sorry, my bad. Fanboy instinct took over logic I guess won't post such things again.

I meant no offense to you btw. Just so we're clear.

 

[Phantom sierra]

I meant no offense to you btw. Just saying.

Not offended at all buddy

 

[Phantom sierra]

Kinda makes me think we need to get rid of bayonet training entirely and instead combine that stipulated for hand to hand combat which is a combination of wrestling and boxing and some basic BJJ. It's realistic, easy enough and FAR more useful than outdated shit like bayonet training. I know the primary purpose of bayonet training today is shaping an aggressive mindset but you can do that with hand to hand combat too. I think bashing someone's skull to the floor repeatedly is far more aggressive and brutal than stabby-stabby stuff. Plus, you don't need "skill" to shank people a bunch and rip their guts out.

As far as I know sf and ghatak platoon is trained in krav maga and PTK now I am not experienced in martial arts but from what we know abt galwan valley clash , the unarmed ghataks owned the Chinese so I guess it's effective

 

[Phantom sierra]

Eh. Personally I don't believe the "snapped necks" thing. Necks or bones in general are very difficult to snap.

That's why I said from what we know abt the clash but I am pretty sure the Chinese took massive casualties

 

[Killbot]

Kinda makes me think we need to get rid of bayonet training entirely and instead combine that stipulated time for hand to hand combat which is a combination of wrestling and boxing and some basic BJJ. It's realistic, easy enough and FAR more useful than outdated shit like bayonet training. I know the primary purpose of bayonet training today is shaping an aggressive mindset but you can do that with hand to hand combat too. I think bashing someone's skull to the floor repeatedly is far more aggressive and brutal than stabby-stabby stuff. Plus, you don't need "skill" to shank people a bunch and rip their guts out.

MMA is better. For all practices purposed in the military in general (restraining mostly), I think a combo of judo and boxing is what the soldiers should learn. BJJ is no slouch, but it isn't as diverse as Judo.

**Plus, you don't need "skill" to shank people a bunch and rip their guts out.**
Exactly.

 

[Killbot]

As far as I know sf and ghatak platoon is trained in krav maga and PTK now I am not experienced in martial arts but from what we know abt galwan valley clash , the unarmed ghataks owned the Chinese so I guess it's effective

The reinforcements had sticks right?? The fact that chongs were armed is what caused so many casualties initially.

 

[Phantom sierra]

MMA is better. For all practices purposed in the military in general (restraining mostly), I think a combo of judo and boxing is what the soldiers should learn. BJJ is no slouch, but it isn't as diverse as Judo.

**Plus, you don't need "skill" to shank people a bunch and rip their guts out.**
Exactly.

Soldiers will most likely go in for a kill rather than just grapple or punch, I guess there is a different branch of martial arts for such purposes.

 

[Phantom sierra]

The reinforcements had sticks right?? The fact that chongs were armed is what caused so many casualties initially.

Dunno about reinforcements having sticks or not but the coward commies used clubs with spikes against our unarmed lads.

 

[Phantom sierra]

I think considering the training period that'll take too much time to be truly effective. I honestly think Boxing and Wrestling is a good start. Boxing is excellent for striking and wrestling is more applicable for a soldier since they probably don't have the opportunity to switch entirely to their ground game in combat, especially if there's multiple threats and since they need to keep moving, considering wrestling's emphasis on quick takedowns and brutal finishers, it's a better choice..

Boxing is compulsory in all military training academies so the foundation atleast for all officers is laid.

 

[Killbot]

Soldiers will most likely go in for a kill rather than just grapple or punch, I guess there is a different branch of martial arts for such purposes.

You can't kill someone with strikes alone if you're unarmed. In fact, you probably can't kill at all. Hence you need to restrain. There will be grappling or ground and pound or both when it comes to unarmed combat, regardless of what you do. It is just human instinct to grab (clinch) the opponent. Thats why SOF guys carry knives. You need hundreds of newtons of force to just break a bone with one strike. Not what the average adult can generate.

 

[Killbot]

I think considering the training period that'll take too much time to be truly effective. I honestly think Boxing and Wrestling is a good start. Boxing is excellent for striking and wrestling is more applicable for a soldier since they probably don't have the opportunity to switch entirely to their ground game in combat, especially if there's multiple threats and since they need to keep moving, considering wrestling's emphasis on quick takedowns and brutal finishers, it's a better choice..

Yeah, but with all your gear, bending will be difficult. You can't just go for the legs. Also, you're blind to what is going on above your head when you go for a double leg or something. Thats why you want to stay upright... As far as restraining is concerned, I'd say BJJ or Judo is the way to go.

 

[Edyk12]

 

[abingdonboy]

No doubt about it they are going to be the finest operators India has as they are selected from an already elite pool and undergo some of the most advanced training India has to offer.

whilst it should be obvious that these guys get the best gear possible on the international market (they are a tiny unit directly controlled by R&AW) there’s not much evidence that they are comparable with even a tier 2 SOF in the US equipment wise but yes they are likely the best equipped unit in India.

It should be easy for them to have immense customisations and specialist kit given their role but the evidence for this is missing

 

[Edyk12]