Indian Special Forces

[Edyk12]

 

[FalconZero]

Even santa is getting upgrades meanwhile our SFs have to use gipsies - GucciGang™ /s

 

[Immanuel]

Not related to Indian SF, but a pretty important development to draw inferences from.

A commercial-grade variant of the American AN/AVS-10 (aka ANVIS-10) panoramic NVG, a predecessor of the GPNVG-18, has been adopted by Russian SOF.

Everyone loves to shout "Roosi gear is most reliable & bezzt" but when push comes to shove and they have the option on table, we all know Russian SFs themselves would sell their grandmothers to get their hands on some American gear.

Ask FSB who would pay through their nose to smuggle in some HK MR556 (civilian HK416) and then modify them with full-auto capable lower receiver group. Or these gentlemen at a marksmanship competition with dozens of AR-15 platforms: https://vk.com/albums518768606

To say the Russians would sell their grandmothers for some hand full of HK416s for some room intervention ops is a silly overstatement, the vast majority of Spetznas, Alfa group and others use Russian weapons specially since they just like us are deployed along extreme terrain. We are talking about weapons here, not sights and NVDs. As far as NVDs are concerned, Tonbo might just be the best product, just needs to be seen if it can perform in the areas we operate. A proper SF will try to get access to a variety of weapons and switch them based on mission, terrain, climatic conditions, duration of op. etc

 

[Immanuel]

Whoever said Tavor is easy to maintain... If even a little dust gets in the action, you need to disassemble the whole thing, clean the action and put it back together. It'll take about half an hour. M4 field stripping on the other hand shouldn't take more than 5 minutes.

If M4 was unreliable, why do the Israelis, Americans and whoever else use it not replace it? Because they can modify the existing guns just as easily. That is the whole point of an AR-15, modularity.

Again, if Tavor was so good, why have the Israelis replaced their Tavors and early X-95s, but not their M4s and CAR-15s from the and '90s? And this is regular IDF btw, not special ops forces. Because Tavor just isn't as modular. It has too many shortcomings compared to M4s. Is it not wierd that Indian SF are the only large SF using Tavor? Not even Israelis use it that much.

Read IDF veterans' blogs, YT comments, etc they are not fans of the Tavor platform.. They love the M4.

Don't know what you're smoking but the X-95 has all but replaced M-4s and M-16 in most units. Secondly, modularirty of the AR-15 is great for small orders and forces can kit out exactly what is needed. To do for hundreds of thousands only complicates the buying process. Now obviously the M-4 in particular from Colt had issues, today FN made M-4s, HK416, CAR 816 are miles better in reliability and deserve a chance to be in IA certainly for the CQB contest. However, as said many times before, purchasing anything for a large force is never a straightforward process, small purchases are rare and only during escalated emergency buying. Regular purchases have a RFI stages sent out to dozens of manufacturers, RFP usually has smaller audience since many are not interested and then come trials (where many fail including Indian products), then a healthy dose of chodigiri by participating manufacturers, a lot more between the service in question & MOD, then finally some more chutiyagiri with L-1, the shit goes on.

I think for Infantry wide use IA is convinced with the 7.62 and since Modi made a big advert/speech/ marketing about the factory in Amethi, etc. It's a done deal. They'll haggle on the royalty for a few more weeks and then it will be inked.

Tavor SAR "TAR-21" Basic Disassembly and Cleaning Guide - YouTube
Why the IDF Chose the TAVOR® Over the M4 | IWI US, Inc. | IWI US, Inc.

0.55 Seconds to 1.30, it all but takes 35 seconds to do it in order to do fast maintenance.

 

[Killbot]

To say the Russians would sell their grandmothers for some hand full of HK416s for some room intervention ops is a silly overstatement

It's called a hyperbole, it is meant to be an overstatement.

the vast majority of Spetznas, Alfa group and others use Russian weapons specially since they just like us are deployed along extreme terrain

Due to lack of availability and some political issues. That aside, their new modified AK-105s are pretty good. But they still use a ton of ORSIS AR-15s. Especially FSB Alfa Group.

proper SF will try to get access to a variety of weapons and switch them based on mission, terrain, climatic conditions, duration of op. etc

Any SF worth their money will standardise a weapon and develop tactics around that weapon i.e. 'specialise' on that platform. Developing tactics around a platform is not possible unless you master the basics of that platform.

For example Green Berets and carbine (AR-15) tactics. They were the first to use timers for shooting training ( operator standards), develop many of the carbine drills most SOFs use, employ the C-clamp grip, etc, etc. The list goes on. They could only do this because of their mastery over the M4 carbine. Their inputs also influenced SOPMOD enhancements.

The Green Berets only use AR-15 platform guns in 5.56mm as service rifle even though they are deployed everywhere from Europe to Syria to Africa to Afghanistan. Most are M4 SOPMOD Block IIIs.

Another example is SEALs and CQB tactics. After Battles of Fallujah and Ramadi, they worked on improving CQB tactics based on those experiences. I'm not 100% sure about this, but Mk. 18 Mod 0 and Mod 1 were the result of their experiences.. And high port stance was also first used by SEALs.

 

[Marliii]

Jvpc is good but I am 100 percent sure army will never buy it.it also uses the minsas while army had made it clear that they need 5.56 and also there are reports that Mod has asked caracal to participate in the next tender.Jvpc is only good as personal defence weapon it is not a good carbine.

 

[Killbot]

This is also why i advocate for complete standardization of the CAR-816 for the SF and as a carbine for regulars. I'd be extremely pissed if the deal is let go of due to some obtuse bureaucrat's ignorance or worse, if we buy the fucking abomination that is the JVPC. That piece of shit should be buried in a ditch.

Absolutely..

As for JVPC, it can be modified and improved by leaps and bounds. As can INSAS. But, well, OFB is OFB.

 

[FalconSlayers]

What is the use of the laser pointer when our SF don’t even have basic NVDs?

 

[FalconSlayers]

Use they do, they just don't have gen 3 nods.

Then whats the point?

 

[operatorgrumby]

Their kind of all kitted-out SF gear in a single pic

Okay kinda nitpicking, but our bud here seems to have an AK mag as 1st spare on his battle belt with what seems to be some sort of an AR-15ish Primary Weapon

 

[FalconSlayers]

Their kind of all kitted-out SF gear in a single pic
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Okay kinda nitpicking, but our bud here seems to have an AK mag as 1st spare on his battle belt with what seems to be some sort of an AR-15ish Primary Weapon

Armasen is a Gem, IA should give them bulk orders.

 

[Tactical Doge]

Armasen is a Gem, IA should give them bulk orders.

Should

 

[NAMICA]

Their kind of all kitted-out SF gear in a single pic
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Okay kinda nitpicking, but our bud here seems to have an AK mag as 1st spare on his battle belt with what seems to be some sort of an AR-15ish Primary Weapon

Good to see that such companies are coming out locally usually such tactical gear are imported since there is very limited demand of it.

 

[Inderjeet Singh]

Their kind of all kitted-out SF gear in a single pic
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Okay kinda nitpicking, but our bud here seems to have an AK mag as 1st spare on his battle belt with what seems to be some sort of an AR-15ish Primary Weapon

It's a tiny pouche for ak mag

 

[operatorgrumby]

It's a tiny pouche for ak mag

Generally Belt mounted AR mag are kinda on the shorter side, considering while speed reloading you don't wanna grab the pouch itself in a hurry an jinx it up completely (if that happens, the operator's really having a bad day then).
That's why 50-60% of that mag is exposed & the operator will gonna have a good grip while grabbing the mag; of course they don't fall of randomly because those pouches already have a good retention in them.

Considering all this, there's still some pouches which covers almost 3/4th of the mag for those who doesn't trust on the retention system that much.

[Courtesy: Garand Thumb YouTube channel]

 

[Tactical Doge]

Generally Belt mounted AR mag are kinda on the shorter side, considering while speed reloading you don't wanna grab the pouch itself in a hurry an jinx it up completely (if that happens, the operator's really having a bad day then).
That's why 50-60% of that mag is exposed & the operator will gonna have a good grip while grabbing the mag; of course they don't fall of randomly because those pouches already have a good retention in them.

Considering all this, there's still some pouches which covers almost 3/4th of the mag for those who doesn't trust on the retention system that much.

[Courtesy: Garand Thumb YouTube channel]

Garand Thumb
that dude is amazing

 

[Phantom sierra]

Don't mess with an old man in whose profession men die young

 

[ManhattanProject]

probably to demonstrate how the pouches work with both magazines.

 

[ManhattanProject]

Don't mess with an old man in whose profession men die young

is this real or the insta dumbasses made it up again?

 

[Rubian45]

Don't mess with an old man in whose profession men die young

Should have re-framed the sentence properly, it looks like he is bragging about the fact that the SF guy was beaten up.