Indian Special Forces

[Inderjeet Singh]

This is where terrorists was hiding
Same type of operation conducted by 9 Para SF in 2015 where they waited whole night outside cave killed 2 terrorist 1 surrendered used mirchi bomb Lance Naik Mohan Nath Goswami also part of this operation

 

[airborneCommando]

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This is where terrorists was hiding
Same type of operation conducted by 9 Para SF in 2015 where they waited whole night outside cave killed 2 terrorist 1 surrendered used mirchi bomb Lance Naik Mohan Nath Goswami also part of this operation

This one was also in the same area in which we lost 5 guys from 9 SF.

 

[thebakofbakchod]

If only IA army had access to night vision goggles. Must be the only army in the world that can only fight in daylight.

 

[Physx32]

So according to the veterans, drones, thermal imagers and NVG are completely ineffective in Kashmir forests.

Either the above is true or the veterans are clueless about modern imaging and recon tech and technically illiterate. Maybe stuck in old ways.

 

[Jedi Operator]

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This is where terrorists was hiding
Same type of operation conducted by 9 Para SF in 2015 where they waited whole night outside cave killed 2 terrorist 1 surrendered used mirchi bomb Lance Naik Mohan Nath Goswami also part of this operation

Did'nt anyone watch Maj Avinash's instagram live today. He said that we get casualties because we are in a hurry with no priorities or plan. Same with the Parampore incident. We tend to attack the target with minimal intel. Unless it's a hostage situation, there is no need to hurry. In 2005-2006 Delta force was losing half of the guys in a squadron due to exactly this. Read whatever book you may, Rob O' Neil or No Easy Day, or watch a podcast. This is what they all say. That's also why room clearing became much tactical rather than hasty

 

[zathura98]

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This is where terrorists was hiding
Same type of operation conducted by 9 Para SF in 2015 where they waited whole night outside cave killed 2 terrorist 1 surrendered used mirchi bomb Lance Naik Mohan Nath Goswami also part of this operation

is'nt that the perfect place for sniping?

 

[vidhwanshak]

Don’t agree. You don’t make it a level playing field

again why are these guys operating in broad daylight and walking into ambushes again and again? That’s a tactics problem

They should operate in broad daylight as well. No where its written that they shouldn't operate in day light.
Para SF Tavor/helmets is a big give away during day time and make them easily distinguishable. You can see how the terrorist was able to target these guys pretty well.
A RR guy is attached to the PARA SF group in such ops and this could have been a squad wipe but fortunately major Mehra survived.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

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This is where terrorists was hiding
Same type of operation conducted by 9 Para SF in 2015 where they waited whole night outside cave killed 2 terrorist 1 surrendered used mirchi bomb Lance Naik Mohan Nath Goswami also part of this operation

I am asking this as a noob and not an expert..

this cave looks really small for two men doesnt it..then it has to be at the middle of something and not exactly at the top as this cant be the peak…then it is pretty open isnt it…

so what is the challenge of taking down something like this as the vegetation is also not sorrounding it.

 

[vidhwanshak]

Many times they claim extra ordinary things they faced but the facts come out to be something else.

pinch of salt added many times

yes
I just hope this doesn't turn out to be two men spraying AK-47 on our guys

 

[Jedi Operator]

This one was also in the same area in which we lost 5 guys from 9 SF.

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the only reason we failed miserably in ops exactly where we gained massive successes before is because of complacency. Social media was too over the top that 9 Para is the best, this is that and what not. A reality check for the top brass.

All of our men who died had much better calibre and lives than the ones who sent them to their deaths. May peace be upon the fallen and may the terrorists be sent to hell. None of the analysing or ranting in this forum or elsewhere can change the IA's attitude. A country that fails to learn from it's own success, is way too low to leanr from it's faliures or other's faliures

 

[vidhwanshak]

I am asking this as a noob and not an expert..

this cave looks really small for two men doesnt it..then it has to be at the middle of something and not exactly at the top as this cant be the peak…then it is pretty open isnt it…

so what is the challenge of taking down something like this as the vegetation is also not sorrounding it.

My views.
It's challenging because :
1. It's a vantage point.
2. No matter what tthermal equipment you have , you won't be able see them from lower grounds.
3. I believe that this structure also protects them from dron recees, if they were done.

They had the advantage. Identified the para sf team due to their tavors and helmets. Identified capt pranjal as the weakest team link maybe because he might be wearing fiber glass helmets and took him down by shooting him in the head.
Rest of the guys tried to evacuate already shot captain but were eventually KIA/injured including Major Mehra who fortunately survived.
Other teams picked up the terrorist location and they were neutralised by evening without any causalty.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

My views.
It's challenging because :
1. It's a vantage point.
2. No matter what tthermal equipment you have , you won't be able see them from lower grounds.
3. I believe that this structure also protects them from dron recees, if they were done.

They had the advantage. Identified the para sf team due to their tavors and helmets. Identified capt pranjal as the weakest team link maybe because he might be wearing fiber glass helmets and took him down by shooting him in the head.
Rest of the guys tried to evacuate already shot captain but were eventually KIA/injured including Major Mehra who fortunately survived.
Other teams picked up the terrorist location and they were neutralised by evening without any causalty.

And how come other militaries try to take such positions with the mi 17/8 and are successful

 

[vidhwanshak]

And how come other militaries try to take such positions with the mi 17/8 and are successful

Mi 17/18 won't be getting divine dreams of where terrorist are hiding. They are told where to shoot at. If you don't even know where is that terrorist then how do you expect to guide these hepters ?

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Mi 17/18 won't be getting divine dreams of where terrorist are hiding. They are told where to shoot at. If you don't even know where is that terrorist then how do you expect to guide these hepters ?

This is a small cave with a wide opening over a small range.

cant be impossible to spot it by our snippers and spotters.

 

[vidhwanshak]

This is a small cave with a wide opening over a small range.

cant be impossible to spot it by our snippers and spotters.

and since when quality of snipers/spotters became so good ?
Also, we both know, only 2-3 grps of para sf are attached to RR in such ops and these guys lay their own ambushes/recess and provide feedback to the RR involved.
So, ideally, it should have been 63 RR sanitizing the area properly. This is on the basis of the fact that this is their AOR but these guys somehow missed such vantage point or they were on their way to secure this point but were taken out.

So, many possibilities and theories but only the army knows the truth and that truth will never come out for others to learn or improvise.

 

[Inderjeet Singh]

 

[vidhwanshak]

guys, are there no trousers for civilians from gearsmith/armasen ?

edit : saw major sahni video just now. will try them when they launch it.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

guys, are there no trousers for civilians from gearsmith/armasen ?

edit : saw major sahni video just now. will try them when they launch it.

I don't have insta can you tell what did he say

 

[vidhwanshak]

I don't have insta can you tell what did he say

that they'll launch their trousers next week and jackets soon.

 

[abingdonboy]

They should operate in broad daylight as well. No where its written that they shouldn't operate in day light.
Para SF Tavor/helmets is a big give away during day time and make them easily distinguishable. You can see how the terrorist was able to target these guys pretty well.
A RR guy is attached to the PARA SF group in such ops and this could have been a squad wipe but fortunately major Mehra survived.

Not sure what point you’re trying to make, I said they shouldn’t be giving the advantage to the enemy.

it’s getting to the point that PAFF or whatever they are can seemingly target this specific unit at will, it’s an almost unheard of situation, the terrorists are giving almost a blow for blow response to 9 Para’s operations, it’s truly a new low for the IA as a whole.

some general/veterans will come out and talk about regaining honour and all that noise but no one will look to fix such a ridiculous situation, they’ll launch 1 op and declare the scoreboard even.


look at the group photo above, SF are in a sorry state no matter what 1 team with some battle belts might indicate. Just sending these men into the meat grinder under the false assumption their Tavors make them special is a sickening promise