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Kumaoni

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Just old actors who are still stubbornly holding on. As they die out, we will see change - movies like Pippa already are somewhat more complex and better than the war movies 2 decades ago(see Border for example with shitty music scenes and stuff)
I liked some scenes in LoC Kargil. Others were bullshit but some battles were nicely captured.

Will def check out Pippa when it comes to amazon prime.
 

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I liked some scenes in LoC Kargil. Others were bullshit but some battles were nicely captured.

Will def check out Pippa when it comes to amazon prime.
Pippa is a great movie. Still made for the average man, but they have done their research for the most part despite a few inaccuracies here and there
 

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I don’t buy this at all. You see some top tier units operating/drilling 20-30 years ago with the kind of spec gear that Indian units have today and they were far more fluid and dynamic with their movements than Indian units demonstrate. Almost all the time indian drills look very wooden, hesitant and uncomfortable as though this is their first time doing it, they don’t have the polish that reflects 1000s of hours honing a skill


^these are some ~50 year old ex-SAS guys and the video is from a >15 year old show (I remember watching it when I was very young) and they are demonstrating far better pistol drills than any Indian unit (bar SPG to date and *some* NSG), even today you see many Indian shooters closing one of their eyes or adopting a hand base grip- things western shooters have known are big no nos for decades



^late 90s SEALS

it’s my opinion that equipment and competence comes from training. You could give a tier 1 guy an AK and he’d shoot it and handle it smoothly

anyway let’s see, the good news is the only way to go is up and one way or another Indian forces know they are on the brink of a fight.
agreed. But old school guys back when the SF numbered less were very good at their drills too. Look at that MARCOs video from the early 2000s or read Major Sapru's books and try comparing his knowledge of tactics with the likes of SAS and Green Berets talking about jungle warfare and shooting techniques. Something changed down the line for sure. Current SF (especially Army) are not even at par with what they were back then.
 

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To supplement the above, watch from 4.20:

kevin is ex US green berets and he’s talking with a civilian instructor. Gives an insight into how diverse and specialist US training is- they tap the private sector a LOT and send handfuls of guys to courses all over the country plus the emphasis to have a variety in training. An interesting insight because you definitely see consistency in Indian units over the years/decades in how the train and hence perform.


They also touch on the fact that their (US’s) biggest specific issue is a training deficit- simply throwing new equipment at people is pointless if they haven’t got the skills to go with it
That's an interesting video and yes man I am not denying the fact that training matters more than equipment. All I was saying is that good equipment makes you more confident because from what I saw our guys look sloppy moving in to cordan a house. And if they are so well trained then what keeps them so uncomfortable in their movement.
 

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You could get decent pay for any job in west.Post retirement after 3 years as an Agniveer what fucking job you are going to expect a jawan to get in India ? For 99.99% the forces are an option to lead a decent life .If you lower the wages and other incentives the morale and motivation of men in uniform will deplete rapidly.
Merc merc merc.. i mean, "security agency" "security agency" "security agency"
 

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I have a theory correct me if i am wrong :
Paras follow the Soviet/spestnaz doctrine . In which SF is used as a highly trained infantry capable of doing specialized ops when needed
Meanwhile MARCOS follow the classic NATO doctrine .

*Garunds don't have or follow any
Paras are gawar and rest are educated simple.

when you are gawar u talk about gawar things coz u have no education and knowledge to back anything

those who are educated keep it as a simple process of learning new things knowing very well that there is always scope for more

this is a sad truth and rude truth.
 

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Paras are gawar and rest are educated simple.

when you are gawar u talk about gawar things coz u have no education and knowledge to back anything

those who are educated keep it as a simple process of learning new things knowing very well that there is always scope for more

this is a sad truth and rude truth.
Sad to say but i agree with you, didnt have to guts to actually say it.
 

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I have a theory correct me if i am wrong :
Paras follow the Soviet/spestnaz doctrine . In which SF is used as a highly trained infantry capable of doing specialized ops when needed
Meanwhile MARCOS follow the classic NATO doctrine .

*Garunds don't have or follow any
Right?.. they're shock troops, not SF
 

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This


vs This

is all you need to know
marcos use 7.62 or 5.56 Negev ?
 

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