Indian Special Forces

[kaboom]

All of the brigades of this force was at 50-75% strength. And most companies were understaffed.

Most companies didn’t even fight with their full firepower as they were a “peacekeeping force” (later turned into a COIN force).

Battalions including this one didn’t have their heavy weapons.

IPKF should have been given 1 year of training before heading into the Battle of Jaffna

them being outnumbered 6 or 7 to 1 and still coming out alive is unbelievable to me.

 

[Kumaoni]

them being outnumbered 6 or 7 to 1 and still coming out alive is unbelievable to me.

Would have been decimated or forced to surrender had it not been for Gorkhas regt coming in tanks. Consider it a miracle.

 

[Kumaoni]

them being outnumbered 6 or 7 to 1 and still coming out alive is unbelievable to me.

Also, LTTE weren’t really great footsoldiers as they were mine placers. The average ltte cadre was a teenager (according to a journalist who stayed with them). Bulk of casualties and ambushes were them doing using IEDs and mines. It got to a point where Ipkf requested power to be shutdown in Jaffna

 

[kaboom]

everyone must read the full account of this operation

I will try to post the full in pdf format.

 

[Blood+]

everyone must read the full account of this operation

I will try to post the full in pdf format.

Please do.

 

[Kumaoni]

“An operation conducted by a small team of two young officers and two NCOs in a covert mode in March 1998, in general area Churachandpur of Manipur in Counter
Insurgency environment proves this. The initial plan was made when an input was received that a local resident in a remote village close to Myanmar border produces country made AK-47 weapons for the militants. Based on this information, this small team planned a snatch operation to pick up this individual to carry out interrogation to gain more useful inputs. This small team moved in covert mode in a civil hired van to the intended objective, however, due to heavy rains and poor road conditions, the operation was called off midway. The team leader decided to take a different route for coming back to base, which although short, was not used by military convoys and accordingly, there was never a route opening done for this route. The team had just traversed a few miles on this stretch, when they sighted a column of 10-12 militants walking in a formation with weapons and combat loads, confidently, as Army carries out patrolling. Movement of such a large group of militants was probably due to army presence being minimal in that area. As the van crossed this column, militants tried to stop this van, probably for checking or for extortion. As the team leader did not stop the vehicle, few shots were fired on the van, which only damaged the rear windshield.
The team leader halted the vehicle after going about a kilometre ahead and made a plan to apprehend this group in spite of being totally outnumbered in manpower as well as weapons, as such a lucrative target is a rare opportunity to come by. The team climbed a hillock after hiding the van in thick undergrowth. The opportunity ambush was so sited to cover open flanks also, as it was envisaged that on contact militant might try to manoeuvre around the ambush site. Armed with just two AK 47 with five magazines each and two pistols each round had to make hit the militants. As the column of militants reached in close vicinity, they were effectively engaged by the team. The firefight lasted for about 20 minutes after which anticipating a strong resistance, the militants retreated. The team waited for darkness to undertake the search of the area. The success of this operation included the neutralising of five militants with weapons and a large quantity of explosives and incriminating documents. This was

a classic small team operation by a Special Forces team highlighting initiative at junior leader level and a bold planning and execution.”

are Para still capable of doing something like this?

 

[kaboom]

Enjoy , and tell me who was really responsible for this shitshow the Paras or the Army

I have blanked out some sections as I don't want to give propaganda material to Pakis reading this...

 

[kaboom]

“You sitll believe this Lungi wearers know nothing about fighting”. Expresses the very problem with Indians all over be the army and this forum.

@COLDHEARTED AVIATOR sir was talking about how current Kashmir militants and tinder swindler sugar babies. Yet they still managed to wipe at a whole 9 Para squad, something which has never been done before (paras were feared by Mujahids) .

I have seen similar opinions in Kashmiri fighters by various members in this thread, on how they are “nothing comaored to Arabs or afghans” and how they aren’t known for their bravery.

Keep underestimating and keep getting your asses kicked.

A new recruit is easy to kill but once that same recruit has escaped some cordons he becomes fearless and if he has successfully escaped with a firefight he becomes confident and dangerous as confidence to break cover and fireback is very important to win a gunfight . Some overconfident ones even start taunting officers directly like the case of Sameer Tiger (although mf was butchered and toasted by the same Major Shukla and his men later )

What I mean to say is although they are not well trained , confidence and experiences learned via firefights can be gamechanger.

Now imagine if a terrorist who has ambushed and escaped IA and even successfully ambushed a kill squad of Paras he starts to think he is Rambo .

 

[Kumaoni]

A new recruit is easy to kill but once that same recruit has escaped some cordons he becomes fearless and if he has successfully escaped with a firefight he becomes confident and dangerous as confidence to break cover and fireback is very important to win a gunfight . Some overconfident ones even start taunting officers directly like the case of Sameer Tiger (although mf was butchered and toasted by the same Major Shukla and his men later ) View attachment 214628

What I mean to say is although they are not well trained , confidence and experiences learned via firefights can be gamechanger.

Now imagine if a terrorist who has ambushed and escaped IA and even successfully ambushed a kill squad of Paras he starts to think he is Rambo .

They are decently trained just lacking in numbers, hence they can’t do anything

 

[apoorv465]

 

[Jedi Operator]

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I disagree, it almost never happens kya? 2 of the shaurya chakra awardees I have read about, MARCOs were operating alongside 10 or 9 SF in Kashmir. An op in 2019 also had 9 Para and MARCOs together, two guys got the nao sena medal for it. So pretty sure they're a lot

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

This how RR operated. That 21 RR battalion you were talking about, did wonders in its AOR. I can confirm this at the very least

I was talking about 24 RR under Col Bali during 97-99

21 RR was not known much then and started from late 90s until early 2000sdoing their wonders.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

I really want the source man. You have the post, video, interview whatever

I cant find it.It was around 2007 when marines first came to commando school or during the Babina exercises where Strykers came.

Was in a video a marine made..”they might win a battle or two but not a war with us” said one marine

 

[Kumaoni]

I was talking about 24 RR under Col Bali during 97-99

21 RR was not known much then and started from late 90s until early 2000sdoing their wonders.

I thought Col Bali led 21 RR. Btw I did find that 21 RR got unit citation in 98

 

[Kumaoni]

I disagree, it almost never happens kya? 2 of the shaurya chakra awardees I have read about, MARCOs were operating alongside 10 or 9 SF in Kashmir. An op in 2019 also had 9 Para and MARCOs together, two guys got the nao sena medal for it. So pretty sure they're a lot

MARCOS doesn’t do nearly as much as operations as Paras bro. That’s because the terrain there isn’t for their operations. If MARCOS are really being used in Kashmir the same way Paras, the Indian upper brass must be special ed

 

[Kumaoni]

10 PARA SF.

Chachro (1971 war)
Lanka (1987-1989)
Kashmir (1991- now)

Been there done that. Hats off to this unit.

 

[Jedi Operator]

I cant find it.It was around 2007 when marines first came to commando school or during the Babina exercises where Strykers came.

Was in a video a marine made..”they might win a battle or two but not a war with us” said one marine

Toh like, even they won battles with Taliban, did they win the war. And you know what, our stupid ass leadership at the top will keep banging the chest and do nothing about investing in the humans who fight the war. Now with the jetpack joyride mindset on one side and Emma's two moms on the other, the question is who will win the war of sanity

 

[Kumaoni]

Toh like, even they won battles with Taliban, did they win the war. And you know what, our stupid ass leadership at the top will keep banging the chest and do nothing about investing in the humans who fight the war. Now with the jetpack joyride mindset on one side and Emma's two moms on the other, the question is who will win the war of sanity

india is also investing in woke female speshial forzes even though a 12 year old boy has the strength of an average female

 

[airborneCommando]

Now with the jetpack joyride mindset on one side and Emma's two moms on the other, the question is who will win the war of sanity

Goldy Brar takes the responsibilty of winning this war/mental masturbation.

 

[airborneCommando]

india is also investing in woke female speshial forzes even though a 12 year old boy has the strength of an average female

During the heydays of army SF in COIN operations, 9 para used to augment female officers from MI for HUMINT and Local Liason. Whatever decision the army took right now has been implemented in the west since long long ago (read relentless strike, very nice book)
Although i share quite similiar views as you on women in combatant roles.