Indian Special Forces

[Tactical Doge]

fk this shiiet, let's go watch the moon launch live

 

[NotASussyBoi]

fk this shiiet, let's go watch the moon launch live

Isro vs Drdo let's test their efficiency , at least our Space Force will be efficienttt

 

[Blood+]

Which pahadi are you sir?

nothing wrong withgenetics it’s something wrong with our diets. When I stop eating all that Indian carb shit my face and body both become far leaner and less bloated

I'm from Himachal. And as for the standard Indian diet, I agree with you wholeheartedly - it sucks bollocks. But the thing is, I have been on a protein and fat heavy diet for a very long time. I mean, I can't even remember when was the last time I had white rice. (We in our family eat quinoa by the way), and yes, I'd say I'm quite lean but I can't put on muscle for some reason. Perhaps I have a high metabolism.

 

[NotASussyBoi]

I'm from Himachal. And as for the standard Indian diet, I agree with you wholeheartedly - it sucks bollocks. But the thing is, I have been on a protein and fat heavy diet for a very long time. I mean, I can't even remember when was the last time I had white rice. (We in our family eat quinoa by the way), and yes, I'd say I'm quite lean but I can't put on muscle for some reason. Perhaps I have a high metabolism.

Maybe try eating high quality whey , getting 20 grams from supplementation might give you the tiny weight gains

 

[Kumaoni]

I'm from Himachal. And as for the standard Indian diet, I agree with you wholeheartedly - it sucks bollocks. But the thing is, I have been on a protein and fat heavy diet for a very long time. I mean, I can't even remember when was the last time I had white rice. (We in our family eat quinoa by the way), and yes, I'd say I'm quite lean but I can't put on muscle for some reason. Perhaps I have a high metabolism.

Depends on your lifts sleep schedule, etc. also ur height and body type. You need to eat in a caloric surplus if ur tall and skinny but if ur a Manlet like me you don’t have too

 

[mcpo117]

The hell is going on here

 

[NotASussyBoi]

The hell is going on here

india special forces thread shall be changed to isro and bodybuilding thread in the name of peace

 

[mcpo117]

india special forces thread shall be changed to isro and bodybuilding thread in the name of peace

Seriously thought accounts got hacked or something. Never seen this much sf bashing in a while.

 

[Blackmamba]

IMO the Indian skinny physique also kinda plays a role in making them look like larpers.

This thread needs clean up , people with zero real world experience are talking from their rear end.
Now on to the topic of Physique in SF let me quote JIM Evans (ret) - USMC nco (Force Recon)

I think the Questioner meant to say Special Operations, rather than Special Forces, i.e., “The Green Beret.” Moreover, I think the Questioner wants to know if slim, lean, individuals are strong enough to endure the intensity of Special Operations work, as well as the preparation for such work. What I say in my Quora answer applies to all USSOCOM Special Operations Capable units, as well as USMC Force Recon units, and U.S. Army Special Forces. As everyone knows, Force Recon units belong to to the FMF (Fleet Marine Force), and not USSOCOM. U.S. Army Special Forces belong to USSOCOM, not the U.S. Army. In any case, my answer is about Special Operations, not U.S. Army Special Forces.

INTRODUCTION:

For Special Operations work, I’ve found that it’s better to be lean, muscled, and flexible, than to be bulky, muscled, and flexible.

Too much muscle bulk and body weight handicaps one’s ability to endure long periods of physical stress as well as one’s quickness and agility.

Under 10% body fat is also good.

DISCUSSION:

The reason lean and light is preferable is, all things being equal, bulk and weight causes joints to break down quicker under stress than does lean and light.

Special Operations Work is about SESQAF (Stealth, Endurance, Strength, Quickness, Agility, and Flexibility).

Let’s examine this more closely.

There are three types of Endurance

1. Lung Endurance
2. Muscle Endurance
3. Joint Endurance

The following examples of my Force Recon Unit’s Capabilities in the late ‘60s show the three types of endurance working together—

• 15 mile run over rough trails, leather combat boots, utilities, soft cover, 50 pound back pack, 10 pound weapon, and 15 additional pounds to simulate ammo—115 minutes or less—
• Same run, T-Shirt, Shorts, 10 pound weapon, and 15 additional pounds—85 minutes or less—
• 5 mile run, soft beach sand, leather combat boots, utilities, soft cover, 50 pound back pack, 10 pound weapon, 15 additional pounds to simulate ammo—40 minutes or less—
• 100 situps, feet supported, no bouncing—5 minutes or less—
• 150 situps, feet supported, no bouncing—8 minutes or less—
• 40 pullups, palms forward, full extension, no bouncing—2 minutes or less—
• 75 pushups, no bouncing—2 1/2 minutes or less—
• 35 ft rope climb, hands only, no legs—15 seconds or less—
• 50 yard under water swim, hands and feet tied—2 minutes or less—

Most of us were 5′8″ to 5′10″ in height, and 140 to 170 lbs. in body weight.

Though we pumped iron, as mentioned above, our goal was Lean Strength, not Bulk Strength.

The techniques for pumping iron haven’t changed in 70 years:

For Muscle Bulk and Strength—lift heavy weight, 3–4 sets, 8–10 reps, rest 1–2 minutes between sets (the last set you exhaust your muscles and make them burn).

For Muscle Endurance and Strength—lift light weight, 4–5 sets, 20–25 reps, rest 30 seconds between sets (no need to exhaust your muscles or make them burn).

For Lung Strength, Run Wind Sprints.

For Lung Endurance, Run Long Distances.

Both types of running will develop Leg Muscles, Joint Strength, and Joint Endurance.

Caveat—Too Much Running can damage your joints. How much running is too much? This is a good question. I’m not sure if anyone knows.

VERY IMPORTANT:

Work your lower back muscles. A good exercise is hyper extension (lie face down, with your waist at the edge of a bench, legs secured. Lower your upper body so your head is straight down near the floor. Your arms and hands can be free, or clasped behind your head, or your lower back (your choice).

Raise your upper body until your head is above parallel. Do it slowly, don’t bounce. Do 3–4 sets, 10–15 reps, 30 seconds rest between sets. Add weight for more strength building (a 5 to 15 pound plate held behind your head should be enough. I’ve used as much as 30 or 40 pounds when I wanted to be stupid and show off).

I started pumping iron when I was 13 at Stern’s Gym in San Diego.

Leo Stern (Mr. San Diego, and Mr. California), and Gene Fisher (Mr. San Diego, and runner up Mr. California) collaborated in pioneering weight training in athletics and the military in the 1960’s with the San Diego State Aztecs, the San Diego Chargers, the San Diego Padres, the U.S. Navy in San Diego, and USMC Boot Camp, San Diego. Weight training is common today in all sports and in the military largely because of these two men.

SUMMARY:

Leanness, Strength, and Endurance are important, but Flexibility is vital and critical to the avoidance of injury.

CONCLUSION:

Get Lean (under 10% body fat)—

Get Strong (Muscle, Joints, and Lungs)—

Develop Endurance (Muscle, Joints, and Lungs)—

Work on Quickness and Agility—

Most important, GET FLEXIBLE—

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Kinda true though. I see loads of people, including teens and guys in their 20s, with limbs thin as twigs yet a bulging flabby tummy hanging out. I mean, don't get me wrong, I ain't no John Cena but this is just embarrasing to look at.

I didn't just meant by this statement only my comment was on the phase the guy is going thru

 

[Kumaoni]

This thread needs clean up , people with zero real world experience are talking from their rear end.
Now on to the topic of Physique in SF let me quote JIM Evans (ret) - USMC nco (Force Recon)

I think the Questioner meant to say Special Operations, rather than Special Forces, i.e., “The Green Beret.” Moreover, I think the Questioner wants to know if slim, lean, individuals are strong enough to endure the intensity of Special Operations work, as well as the preparation for such work. What I say in my Quora answer applies to all USSOCOM Special Operations Capable units, as well as USMC Force Recon units, and U.S. Army Special Forces. As everyone knows, Force Recon units belong to to the FMF (Fleet Marine Force), and not USSOCOM. U.S. Army Special Forces belong to USSOCOM, not the U.S. Army. In any case, my answer is about Special Operations, not U.S. Army Special Forces.

INTRODUCTION:

For Special Operations work, I’ve found that it’s better to be lean, muscled, and flexible, than to be bulky, muscled, and flexible.

Too much muscle bulk and body weight handicaps one’s ability to endure long periods of physical stress as well as one’s quickness and agility.

Under 10% body fat is also good.

DISCUSSION:

The reason lean and light is preferable is, all things being equal, bulk and weight causes joints to break down quicker under stress than does lean and light.

Special Operations Work is about SESQAF (Stealth, Endurance, Strength, Quickness, Agility, and Flexibility).

Let’s examine this more closely.

There are three types of Endurance

1. Lung Endurance
2. Muscle Endurance
3. Joint Endurance

The following examples of my Force Recon Unit’s Capabilities in the late ‘60s show the three types of endurance working together—

• 15 mile run over rough trails, leather combat boots, utilities, soft cover, 50 pound back pack, 10 pound weapon, and 15 additional pounds to simulate ammo—115 minutes or less—
• Same run, T-Shirt, Shorts, 10 pound weapon, and 15 additional pounds—85 minutes or less—
• 5 mile run, soft beach sand, leather combat boots, utilities, soft cover, 50 pound back pack, 10 pound weapon, 15 additional pounds to simulate ammo—40 minutes or less—
• 100 situps, feet supported, no bouncing—5 minutes or less—
• 150 situps, feet supported, no bouncing—8 minutes or less—
• 40 pullups, palms forward, full extension, no bouncing—2 minutes or less—
• 75 pushups, no bouncing—2 1/2 minutes or less—
• 35 ft rope climb, hands only, no legs—15 seconds or less—
• 50 yard under water swim, hands and feet tied—2 minutes or less—

Most of us were 5′8″ to 5′10″ in height, and 140 to 170 lbs. in body weight.

Though we pumped iron, as mentioned above, our goal was Lean Strength, not Bulk Strength.

The techniques for pumping iron haven’t changed in 70 years:

For Muscle Bulk and Strength—lift heavy weight, 3–4 sets, 8–10 reps, rest 1–2 minutes between sets (the last set you exhaust your muscles and make them burn).

For Muscle Endurance and Strength—lift light weight, 4–5 sets, 20–25 reps, rest 30 seconds between sets (no need to exhaust your muscles or make them burn).

For Lung Strength, Run Wind Sprints.

For Lung Endurance, Run Long Distances.

Both types of running will develop Leg Muscles, Joint Strength, and Joint Endurance.

Caveat—Too Much Running can damage your joints. How much running is too much? This is a good question. I’m not sure if anyone knows.

VERY IMPORTANT:

Work your lower back muscles. A good exercise is hyper extension (lie face down, with your waist at the edge of a bench, legs secured. Lower your upper body so your head is straight down near the floor. Your arms and hands can be free, or clasped behind your head, or your lower back (your choice).

Raise your upper body until your head is above parallel. Do it slowly, don’t bounce. Do 3–4 sets, 10–15 reps, 30 seconds rest between sets. Add weight for more strength building (a 5 to 15 pound plate held behind your head should be enough. I’ve used as much as 30 or 40 pounds when I wanted to be stupid and show off).

I started pumping iron when I was 13 at Stern’s Gym in San Diego.

Leo Stern (Mr. San Diego, and Mr. California), and Gene Fisher (Mr. San Diego, and runner up Mr. California) collaborated in pioneering weight training in athletics and the military in the 1960’s with the San Diego State Aztecs, the San Diego Chargers, the San Diego Padres, the U.S. Navy in San Diego, and USMC Boot Camp, San Diego. Weight training is common today in all sports and in the military largely because of these two men.

SUMMARY:

Leanness, Strength, and Endurance are important, but Flexibility is vital and critical to the avoidance of injury.

CONCLUSION:

Get Lean (under 10% body fat)—

Get Strong (Muscle, Joints, and Lungs)—

Develop Endurance (Muscle, Joints, and Lungs)—

Work on Quickness and Agility—

Most important, GET FLEXIBLE—

lol do you know how hard it is to maintain sub 10% bf?

 

[NotASussyBoi]

Seriously thought accounts got hacked or something. Never seen this much sf bashing in a while.

Honestly me too , in my experience of dfi since 2021 never seen sf turn into this , i guess the mods will give us the leather whip in some time

 

[Kumaoni]

Honestly me too , in my experience of dfi since 2021 never seen sf turn into this , i guess the mods will give us the leather whip in some time

It’s the objective reality. The latest ambush exposed Indian SF for what they really are.

 

[Mikel]

This thread needs clean up , people with zero real world experience are talking from their rear end.
Now on to the topic of Physique in SF let me quote JIM Evans (ret) - USMC nco (Force Recon)

I think the Questioner meant to say Special Operations, rather than Special Forces, i.e., “The Green Beret.” Moreover, I think the Questioner wants to know if slim, lean, individuals are strong enough to endure the intensity of Special Operations work, as well as the preparation for such work. What I say in my Quora answer applies to all USSOCOM Special Operations Capable units, as well as USMC Force Recon units, and U.S. Army Special Forces. As everyone knows, Force Recon units belong to to the FMF (Fleet Marine Force), and not USSOCOM. U.S. Army Special Forces belong to USSOCOM, not the U.S. Army. In any case, my answer is about Special Operations, not U.S. Army Special Forces.

INTRODUCTION:

For Special Operations work, I’ve found that it’s better to be lean, muscled, and flexible, than to be bulky, muscled, and flexible.

Too much muscle bulk and body weight handicaps one’s ability to endure long periods of physical stress as well as one’s quickness and agility.

Under 10% body fat is also good.

DISCUSSION:

The reason lean and light is preferable is, all things being equal, bulk and weight causes joints to break down quicker under stress than does lean and light.

Special Operations Work is about SESQAF (Stealth, Endurance, Strength, Quickness, Agility, and Flexibility).

Let’s examine this more closely.

There are three types of Endurance

1. Lung Endurance
2. Muscle Endurance
3. Joint Endurance

The following examples of my Force Recon Unit’s Capabilities in the late ‘60s show the three types of endurance working together—

• 15 mile run over rough trails, leather combat boots, utilities, soft cover, 50 pound back pack, 10 pound weapon, and 15 additional pounds to simulate ammo—115 minutes or less—
• Same run, T-Shirt, Shorts, 10 pound weapon, and 15 additional pounds—85 minutes or less—
• 5 mile run, soft beach sand, leather combat boots, utilities, soft cover, 50 pound back pack, 10 pound weapon, 15 additional pounds to simulate ammo—40 minutes or less—
• 100 situps, feet supported, no bouncing—5 minutes or less—
• 150 situps, feet supported, no bouncing—8 minutes or less—
• 40 pullups, palms forward, full extension, no bouncing—2 minutes or less—
• 75 pushups, no bouncing—2 1/2 minutes or less—
• 35 ft rope climb, hands only, no legs—15 seconds or less—
• 50 yard under water swim, hands and feet tied—2 minutes or less—

Most of us were 5′8″ to 5′10″ in height, and 140 to 170 lbs. in body weight.

Though we pumped iron, as mentioned above, our goal was Lean Strength, not Bulk Strength.

The techniques for pumping iron haven’t changed in 70 years:

For Muscle Bulk and Strength—lift heavy weight, 3–4 sets, 8–10 reps, rest 1–2 minutes between sets (the last set you exhaust your muscles and make them burn).

For Muscle Endurance and Strength—lift light weight, 4–5 sets, 20–25 reps, rest 30 seconds between sets (no need to exhaust your muscles or make them burn).

For Lung Strength, Run Wind Sprints.

For Lung Endurance, Run Long Distances.

Both types of running will develop Leg Muscles, Joint Strength, and Joint Endurance.

Caveat—Too Much Running can damage your joints. How much running is too much? This is a good question. I’m not sure if anyone knows.

VERY IMPORTANT:

Work your lower back muscles. A good exercise is hyper extension (lie face down, with your waist at the edge of a bench, legs secured. Lower your upper body so your head is straight down near the floor. Your arms and hands can be free, or clasped behind your head, or your lower back (your choice).

Raise your upper body until your head is above parallel. Do it slowly, don’t bounce. Do 3–4 sets, 10–15 reps, 30 seconds rest between sets. Add weight for more strength building (a 5 to 15 pound plate held behind your head should be enough. I’ve used as much as 30 or 40 pounds when I wanted to be stupid and show off).

I started pumping iron when I was 13 at Stern’s Gym in San Diego.

Leo Stern (Mr. San Diego, and Mr. California), and Gene Fisher (Mr. San Diego, and runner up Mr. California) collaborated in pioneering weight training in athletics and the military in the 1960’s with the San Diego State Aztecs, the San Diego Chargers, the San Diego Padres, the U.S. Navy in San Diego, and USMC Boot Camp, San Diego. Weight training is common today in all sports and in the military largely because of these two men.

SUMMARY:

Leanness, Strength, and Endurance are important, but Flexibility is vital and critical to the avoidance of injury.

CONCLUSION:

Get Lean (under 10% body fat)—

Get Strong (Muscle, Joints, and Lungs)—

Develop Endurance (Muscle, Joints, and Lungs)—

Work on Quickness and Agility—

Most important, GET FLEXIBLE—

I didn't make any comment about capabilities w.r.t physique. I said it gives them the appearance of larpers. Whether it helps in real world operations or not is a completely different issue.

 

[Kumaoni]

First of all, eff you and leave your sanctimonius shit outta here, ye old fart.

And second of all, are you fucking kodding me??!! Below 10% body fat is not at all healthy, it will definitely plummet your test level and your strength will also take nose dive and you will lose some of your muscle mass to top it of. Besides, most people won't even manage to achieve sub 10% body fat without use of PEDs, let alone maintain the same year around.

You need to get your ass back to grade school, like right now.

Your talking to a Lt Col in us army not the poster.

buti myself have maintained 10% bf for months due to rigorous diet and training when I was boxing. I was very thin.

I only try to reach 10% bf when I’m going clubbing for a period to slay

 

[Blackmamba]

First of all, eff you and leave your sanctimonius shit outta here, ye old fart.

And second of all, are you fucking kodding me??!! Below 10% body fat is not at all healthy, it will definitely plummet your test level and your strength will also take nose dive and you will lose some of your muscle mass to top it of. Besides, most people won't even manage to achieve sub 10% body fat without use of PEDs, let alone maintain the same year around.

You need to get your ass back to grade school, like right now.

I am not an expert in the field I just copy pasted the comment with out editing . I am also reporting you for personal attacks .

 

[Blood+]

Your talking to a Lt Col in us army not the poster.

buti myself have maintained 10% bf for months due to rigorous diet and training when I was boxing. I was very thin.

I only try to reach 10% bf when I’m going clubbing for a period to slay

He said below 10% and I don't care who said that and neither does biology.

 

[Blood+]

I am not an expert in the field I just copy pasted the comment with out editing . I am also reporting you for personal attacks .

Do as you will, grandpa. Do I sound like someone who cares?? And try to grow a thicker hide if you wanna last here.

 

[Kumaoni]

Sorry for late reply but

1. Your first point will be geopolitical suicide and destabalize a balanced foreign policy which took years to develop.
2.What you have seen about infantry is not accurate as most of the infantry is still what it was decade(s) ago just like sf.
3. Hiring foreign instructors
But hiring retired guys is retarded, these old guys were the one who created current TTP's and SOP's ,these tactics were good in that time, it was failure of current gen to just be stuck to these tactics and not continue to develop.Old guys have laready contributed what they could have .
You don't call wright brothers to build a fighter jet.
4. Your 4th point
5. Para (not SF) should be kept on rotation in Kashmir, Take SF out of normal CI/CT and place a QRT for hostage rescue or HVT elim.
6. I dont have much knowledge about current tank scene so wont comment on that.

1. This is very true, but what about involvement in QUAD, involvement in arms deals with US? Even Russia is fighting ISIS in Syria, why can’t we do some ops on some side to combat ISIS? ISIS has already declared jihad in India. Our boys have taken down hardcore militanrs in the past roo
2. RR was first to induct ballistic shields no? In the video of Indian infantry crossing LoC on accident, they looked pretty decently equipped. Infantry 10 years ago sued to have nothing but ISNAS and a uniform.
3. Foreign instructors also are retired personnel, no? Unless I’m missing something here.
5. I really think training infantry in COIN is counterproductive. Although I wouldn’t reccomend doing it entirely as another IPKF situation could arise so we could be prepared, unlike in 1987 where we had to suffer for 3 months before changing our game plan. Our Histage rescue capabilities aren’t quite bad. In edi we rescued 120 hostages but we lost 3 men in the process.
6. So basically Indian army believes tanks are important as our tank crews have historically been among the best in the world, but that time is changing.

 

[Kumaoni]

1. More wider deployment than Just J and K. Would like to see us doing joint ops in Middle East, Philippines, etc. This is the biggest IMO as we can gain SOF experience
2. Modernization of infantry and SF. Infantry is doing a decent job IMO from what I’ve seen it’s the SF which is painfully lagging behind
3. Hiring of foreign instructors and retd personnel who fought in J and K in the 90s to train.
4. Reorginazation of Para SF. Keep only 3,4,9, 10 and 21 as “SF” units reconvert the rest to either a). Airborne infantry or b). Heavy infantry
5. Deinduct Paras, extra infantry from Kashmir, keep only RR in Coin and infantry on border
6. Less tanks; more modernization for the individual jawan.

Replace 3 para with 1 para and reconvert the rest to heavy infantry