Indian Special Forces (archived)

[JConline]

Mate, in your First point, Are you seriously suggesting that certain parts of our country is a warzone? When infact major insurgency happens in heavily forested area where no VIP goes, with exception of J&K where insurgency happens in civilian urban areas, even there when a VIP goes its the local police and crpf who protects him not Military SFs. For eg, when NSA chief Ajit Doval after abrogation of article 370, he visited J&K, but I didn't see Military SFs protecting him, only local police.
In your 2nd point, "when you have already come to the conclusion that India is a warzone, hence Military SFs can be used" , then I have no words to argue that.
The final point is COAS, CDS are protected by Ghatak commandos not Para SFs, plus if I am not wrong I have never seen Para SF doing VIP security jobs!
Ah, yes completely forgot, the only VIP who goes to the insurgency hit areas in jungles are police IPS officers / District SPs, who are protected by District Armed Police

The COAS' bodyguard is a Para SF personnel. The security of the head of an establishment is the responsibility of that very establishment. And in a country where 26/11 has happened it would not be totally out of place to assess the threat to the life of a top military official even at Raisena hill. Also, even inside the US, the bodyguards of top military officials are Tier 2 SOF operators like Green Berets or Navy Seals. Also, these SOF security details aren't permanent detachments, these are deployed based on the AO. You claimed that the SRG of NSG and CISF are meant for these very jobs but you need to understand that these organizations are not military ones. The portfolio of these organizations falls beyond the barriers of the army until and unless required. And there's a stark difference in the categorisation of VIPs:
Military asset : guarded by military security details
Civilian asset/VIP : guarded by concerned police
Gov asset / VIP (Not entitled to permanent security) : CRPF/CISF
Gov asset /VIP (Entitled to permanent security) : CISF / CRPF bodyguard detail OR SPG detail
Departmental asset / VIP (Officials of CISF/CRPF/BSF) : Guarded by concerned organization.
All SF has done temporary bodyguard detail work within their AO not because that's their status but because they are the most capable of guarding the asset in the AO.

 

[Vishalreddy3]

The COAS' bodyguard is a Para SF personnel. The security of the head of an establishment is the responsibility of that very establishment. And in a country where 26/11 has happened it would not be totally out of place to assess the threat to the life of a top military official even at Raisena hill. Also, even inside the US, the bodyguards of top military officials are Tier 2 SOF operators like Green Berets or Navy Seals. Also, these SOF security details aren't permanent detachments, these are deployed based on the AO. You claimed that the SRG of NSG and CISF are meant for these very jobs but you need to understand that these organizations are not military ones. The portfolio of these organizations falls beyond the barriers of the army until and unless required. And there's a stark difference in the categorisation of VIPs:
Military asset : guarded by military security details
Civilian asset/VIP : guarded by concerned police
Gov asset / VIP (Not entitled to permanent security) : CRPF/CISF
Gov asset /VIP (Entitled to permanent security) : CISF / CRPF bodyguard detail OR SPG detail
Departmental asset / VIP (Officials of CISF/CRPF/BSF) : Guarded by concerned organization.
All SF has done temporary bodyguard detail work within their AO not because that's their status but because they are the most capable of guarding the asset in the AO.

This is what is was telling him that 90% of all VIP/VVIP Security cover is given by CISF/CRPF. But I am doubtfull about Para SF giving security cover to the CoAS, since I have never seen one.
Shocking thing is that even ITBP has VIP security groups, read this pdf

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

I have a genuine question.
Why is this the only half sane thread on this forum? Every other thread seems ridiculous and propaganda.

Jai ho gang shows up every now and then.

There goes half sanity.

 

[Waanar]

Mate, in your First point, Are you seriously suggesting that certain parts of our country is a warzone? When infact major insurgency happens in heavily forested area where no VIP goes, with exception of J&K where insurgency happens in civilian urban areas, even there when a VIP goes its the local police and crpf who protects him not Military SFs. For eg, when NSA chief Ajit Doval after abrogation of article 370, he visited J&K, but I didn't see Military SFs protecting him, only local police.
In your 2nd point, "when you have already come to the conclusion that India is a warzone, hence Military SFs can be used" , then I have no words to argue that.
The final point is COAS, CDS are protected by Ghatak commandos not Para SFs, plus if I am not wrong I have never seen Para SF doing VIP security jobs!
Ah, yes completely forgot, the only VIP who goes to the insurgency hit areas in jungles are police IPS officers / District SPs, who are protected by District Armed Police

There are "layers" of security and "close protection" is named because of it's role.
People plan for contingencies, and death of a VIP is a morale booster for the terrorists.
State Police's capability, training and alertness varies and no VIP will place their lives in their hands.
Let's not ignore the fact that in a situation requiring immediate, sudden or quiet movement, the only asset a VIP can rely on is the one from his own department because he has the authority to spare it for himself and not rely on another organization's generosity.

Also, if the only VIP who goes to jungle hit insurgency areas are police, do you suggest the entire North East military apparatus works without brigadiers and high rankers on the ground?

 

[Vishalreddy3]

There are "layers" of security and "close protection" is named because of it's role.
People plan for contingencies, and death of a VIP is a morale booster for the terrorists.
State Police's capability, training and alertness varies and no VIP will place their lives in their hands.
Let's not ignore the fact that in a situation requiring immediate, sudden or quiet movement, the only asset a VIP can rely on is the one from his own department because he has the authority to spare it for himself and not rely on another organization's generosity.

Also, if the only VIP who goes to jungle hit insurgency areas are police, do you suggest the entire North East military apparatus works without brigadiers and high rankers on the ground?

Well, yeah about the North-Eastern insurgency, you have to know that it's Assam Rifles who fight majority of Insurgency in that region. Also to know the fact that AR is a paramilitary unit not capf and paramilitary units are always headed by military officers.
My previous point was for insurgency in Mainland India, which majority is done by capf and state police hence the reason why brought up that point.
But nevertheless, I got your point

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

IAF Garuds at Hindon Air Base

 

[Mikel]

This is what is was telling him that 90% of all VIP/VVIP Security cover is given by CISF/CRPF. But I am doubtfull about Para SF giving security cover to the CoAS, since I have never seen one.
Shocking thing is that even ITBP has VIP security groups, read this pdf
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[AZTEC]

But I am doubtfull about Para SF giving security cover to the CoAS, since I have never seen one.

Here’s a tweet by @Unknowncommando 2

 

[avknight1408]

But I am doubtfull about Para SF giving security cover to the CoAS, since I have never seen one.

Here are some pics.

 

[mupper]

Also, even inside the US, the bodyguards of top military officials are Tier 2 SOF operators like Green Berets or Navy Seals.

Not quite accurate, Delta has been known to do CP for US Generals out and about...

General Miller with Sgt Maj Thomas Payne MOH....but I guess former Delta gets Delta levels of service...

 

[Vishalreddy3]

Not quite accurate, Delta has been known to do CP for US Generals out and about...

General Miller with Sgt Maj Thomas Payne MOH....but I guess former Delta gets Delta levels of service...

He said US military officials are protected by Tier 2 operators on US soil, not in Foriegn countries.
You can clearly see a Afgan ANA soldier in the background, probably this photo was taken in Afghanistan

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

I dont think jumping from 12000 ft will take 7 minutes of freefall bro

It is actually 7 seconds. He must have mistyped it.

 

[rkhanna]

General Miller with Sgt Maj Thomas Payne MOH....but I guess former Delta gets Delta levels

Assuming that SM Payne is the operator at the back in full kit.

 

[Mikel]

It is actually 7 seconds. He must have mistyped it.

It should be somewhere around 70 seconds for 12,000 feet. If you're considering terminal velocity of 200 km/h.

 

[mupper]

Assuming that SM Payne is the operator at the back in full kit.

He is, I have other pics of him being PCP.

 

[mupper]

He said US military officials are protected by Tier 2 operators on US soil, not in Foriegn countries.
You can clearly see a Afgan ANA soldier in the background, probably this photo was taken in Afghanistan

Their CP (when needed) in the US is usually provided by the relevant branch LEA, so Navy Admirals etc get NCIS POFO SA, Army Generals get CID SA etc.
No idea why people think a GB etc would be doing that.

 

[rkhanna]

He is, I have other pics of him being PCP.

Yea , was just checking

 

[Vishalreddy3]

Their CP (when needed) in the US is usually provided by the relevant branch LEA, so Navy Admirals etc get NCIS POFO SA, Army Generals get CID SA etc.
No idea why people think a GB etc would be doing that.

Well,did you mean Navy NCIS Protective Operations Field Office and Army CID Special Agents? Yes, but they are part of Military Police in their respective departments and not active Tier 1/2 operatives in general. But few of them(key military officials and intelligence assets) do get Tier 2 operatives protecting them like Green Berets

 

[abingdonboy]

IAF Garuds rehearsing their, get this "VIP Protection" during rehearsals for 88th Anniversary of IAF
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Wow, VIP Protection carried out by one of the best SF in India?? No wonder foriegn SF don't send their best men to train with us and use us as deplomatic leverage!

No they don’t do VIP duties per se, for these events Garuds are deployed for CAT role, here they are just practicing that role in the context of a VIP extraction


not quite the pathetic level of the army where they have the COAS with a full time protection detail from PARA SF

 

[abingdonboy]

Gujarat police Chetak