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I was going through live insta videos of these former Para/SF operatives.When Major Nirmith asks them whatbare the equipment deficiencies faced by our SF eveyone says our SF dont have any and are on par with the western ones.Is it we the arm chair generals only aware of the inadequacies or our officers and men not aware of the developments happening around the world 😝😋
You will be shocked to know that if you interact with fighter pilots or SF people most if not all will have no clue about the latest technology and what other countries are upto.

I can bet and say that anyday people like @rkhanna and @abingdonboy will easily have more knowledge about technology and the latest in SF world as compared to an SF officer.

Specially if you talk about Para SF.I have many times called them very low with education but high on aggression and experience as compared to Marcos or Garuds.

Marcos and Garuds are from technical background who i expect to know more about their stuff.

Para are basically red necks of India :pound:

Most of them are govt school passouts with very basic english knowledge..basically kisan or fauji families.

Now why the officer was talking like that i have no idea because everyone in Infantry or SF complaints about gear.

I was shocked to be honest and i didnt watch the full thing.

A good knowledge about the capabilities of the adversely goes a long way in pulling out a mission successfully.
 

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I was going through live insta videos of these former Para/SF operatives.When Major Nirmith asks them whatbare the equipment deficiencies faced by our SF eveyone says our SF dont have any and are on par with the western ones.Is it we the arm chair generals only aware of the inadequacies or our officers and men not aware of the developments happening around the world 😝😋
Can you timestamp that point where he said that? If we watched the same video then he did complain about his parachute, ofb made, but didn't delve deeper.
The comparison about seal and para sf came when someone asked about their capability comparison, which was odd to put at first, but he didn't demean them rather talked about para's ability to perform mission even in adverse condition in that regard he said that they are proly better/on-par.
 

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Hello all, longtime lurker on this thread. What’s exactly the primary mandate of Garud Commandos? Does their role extend past guarding high value assets at IAF stations and SAR? Thinking of JTAC and TACP...
 

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You will be shocked to know that if you interact with fighter pilots or SF people most if not all will have no clue about the latest technology and what other countries are upto.

I can bet and say that anyday people like @rkhanna and @abingdonboy will easily have more knowledge about technology and the latest in SF world as compared to an SF officer.

Specially if you talk about Para SF.I have many times called them very low with education but high on aggression and experience as compared to Marcos or Garuds.

Marcos and Garuds are from technical background who i expect to know more about their stuff.

Para are basically red necks of India :pound:

Most of them are govt school passouts with very basic english knowledge..basically kisan or fauji families.

Now why the officer was talking like that i have no idea because everyone in Infantry or SF complaints about gear.

I was shocked to be honest and i didnt watch the full thing.

A good knowledge about the capabilities of the adversely goes a long way in pulling out a mission successfully.
Having interacted with a lot of civilian counterparts in the govt job, my impression is that an average Armywala is quite well educated and updated, Fauj is the only organization where there is no reservation and the only merit is upheld in all respect and in 80 percent of the cases. 20 percent abbreviations as compared to all aberrations in civvie street is a damn good standard. Fauj is the only organization that updates and upgrades its cadre be it officers or NCOs / Jawans at every level and every stage. No other service in India has to pass his part B or Part D Examination of five subjects before one is a substantive major and has to undergo courses of instructions at every stage of his career progression starting from YO Course to NDC, No Comparision anywhere,,,

They are well educated and well trained for their job as compared to a JNU clot...

I am very intrigued by your assertion on English... probably you just do not know that India is run under signatures of Govt School, peasant and farmer boys who constitute 80 percent of Class A Services in India... The public school brats just do not have it in them.. they are fit enough only to be in Corporate Calcutta under petticoats of their boss's wives or do a Bollywood druggy stunt.

When it comes to environmental awareness, I very much would like soldiers to know well about Pakis, Chinese, Bangladeshis, Nepalis, Srilankan etc which is their envelope. Acting like a US Rambo, or the colonialist racist British Sargent has no meaning even in near future.

I have been part of about 12 joint exercises with them and I am fully aware of their mettle. A British SAS officer can be as dumb as Bhoop Singh. When it comes to IAF and IN their strength is their machines which necessarily means technical skill but may not include knowledge levels. Tommis did not make better soldiers because they spoke English nor do IAF corporals make better NCOs because they can also speak a little English or sometimes better than some IPS outside...

You do not seem to understand the Job profile and required skill levels... you probably want them to act like Tom Clancy's Jacob directing nuclear strikes from Pacific Fleet while sitting on the Everest.
 

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Hello all, longtime lurker on this thread. What’s exactly the primary mandate of Garud Commandos? Does their role extend past guarding high value assets at IAF stations and SAR? Thinking of JTAC and TACP...
As of now, the Garuds are restricted to protection of HVAs and SAR. They are also trained to take over enemy airfields during wartime and also take part in high risk CI/CT or combing ops in Kashmir but considering how new they are, their role is limited for now. A good example of this is that most of AFSOD will be comprised of Para SF blokes with a few MARCOS sailors. I'm willing to bet that the number of Garuds that will be inducted to AFSOD can be counted on two hands.
 

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You will be shocked to know that if you interact with fighter pilots or SF people most if not all will have no clue about the latest technology and what other countries are upto.

I can bet and say that anyday people like @rkhanna and @abingdonboy will easily have more knowledge about technology and the latest in SF world as compared to an SF officer.

Specially if you talk about Para SF.I have many times called them very low with education but high on aggression and experience as compared to Marcos or Garuds.

Marcos and Garuds are from technical background who i expect to know more about their stuff.

Para are basically red necks of India :pound:

Most of them are govt school passouts with very basic english knowledge..basically kisan or fauji families.

Now why the officer was talking like that i have no idea because everyone in Infantry or SF complaints about gear.

I was shocked to be honest and i didnt watch the full thing.

A good knowledge about the capabilities of the adversely goes a long way in pulling out a mission successfully.
If you want to be aware of the latest tech you need to either mingle with the forces shich have those or either check net for for the updates.I am sure my civilian frnds who plays pubg knows about more guns and scopes than those few frnds who happened to be majors now 😋
 

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Hello all, longtime lurker on this thread. What’s exactly the primary mandate of Garud Commandos? Does their role extend past guarding high value assets at IAF stations and SAR? Thinking of JTAC and TACP...
yes all of the above- CSAR, JTAC etc


As of now, the Garuds are restricted to protection of HVAs and SAR. They are also trained to take over enemy airfields during wartime and also take part in high risk CI/CT or combing ops in Kashmir but considering how new they are, their role is limited for now. A good example of this is that most of AFSOD will be comprised of Para SF blokes with a few MARCOS sailors. I'm willing to bet that the number of Garuds that will be inducted to AFSOD can be counted on two hands.
AFSOD has a set number of SF operators from all 3 branches. Garuds will be represented proportionally
 

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Having interacted with a lot of civilian counterparts in the govt job, my impression is that an average Armywala is quite well educated and updated, Fauj is the only organization where there is no reservation and the only merit is upheld in all respect and in 80 percent of the cases. 20 percent abbreviations as compared to all aberrations in civvie street is a damn good standard. Fauj is the only organization that updates and upgrades its cadre be it officers or NCOs / Jawans at every level and every stage. No other service in India has to pass his part B or Part D Examination of five subjects before one is a substantive major and has to undergo courses of instructions at every stage of his career progression starting from YO Course to NDC, No Comparision anywhere,,,

They are well educated and well trained for their job as compared to a JNU clot...

I am very intrigued by your assertion on English... probably you just do not know that India is run under signatures of Govt School, peasant and farmer boys who constitute 80 percent of Class A Services in India... The public school brats just do not have it in them.. they are fit enough only to be in Corporate Calcutta under petticoats of their boss's wives or do a Bollywood druggy stunt.

When it comes to environmental awareness, I very much would like soldiers to know well about Pakis, Chinese, Bangladeshis, Nepalis, Srilankan etc which is their envelope. Acting like a US Rambo, or the colonialist racist British Sargent has no meaning even in near future.

I have been part of about 12 joint exercises with them and I am fully aware of their mettle. A British SAS officer can be as dumb as Bhoop Singh. When it comes to IAF and IN their strength is their machines which necessarily means technical skill but may not include knowledge levels. Tommis did not make better soldiers because they spoke English nor do IAF corporals make better NCOs because they can also speak a little English or sometimes better than some IPS outside...

You do not seem to understand the Job profile and required skill levels... you probably want them to act like Tom Clancy's Jacob directing nuclear strikes from Pacific Fleet while sitting on the Everest.
Basic English language knowledge education goes a long way in updating yourself with the current affairs of the world.

Someone from a govt school of north india with poor english language knowledge like our infantry or SF jawans will make them handicap in even doing a proper google search.

Then comes the fact that after retirement none of the jawans can get a proper job.They end up becoming a security guard at a ATM.

Then when you interact with the officers they wont know what a G3 assualt rifle is.The pilots from AF dont know what capabilities does PLAAF Sukhoi or a JF 17 has and i am talking about the ones who havent even completed 5 years away from the fauj.

Then there are those who say we are properly equipped and the whole force looks like a militia.

As far as i see the only Tommys that are there are in the fauj but Tommys who thinks only Tommy is superior.
 
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If you want to be aware of the latest tech you need to either mingle with the forces shich have those or either check net for for the updates.I am sure my civilian frnds who plays pubg knows about more guns and scopes than those few frnds who happened to be majors now 😋
The forces have to make sure they keep themselves updated.

Corporates these days spend a lot of money these days post hiring.

Like i am doing courses every month just to stay updated with the happenings of the world and that too online.

So we have a big way to go..when there is no exposure its difficult to make someone ignorant understand also what is the latest.
 

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Looks like NSG has quite a few ex-Special Group operators.

This is a very superficial comment but it kind of irks me when I see operators with decades of hard combat experience in SF, NSG, SG sport US army's Basic Parachutist Badge that even ROTC kids can qualify for.. Have seen it in medal ceremonies at Rashtrapati Bhavan even. Surprised sporting it is within regs. Anyway..not really a big deal.
 

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Good insights into the art of sniping by ex- US spec ops guy Nicholas Irwing.
A good book to read on modern snipers is the Red Circle


PS. I have a permanent scar on my right eyebrow from a scope bite lol

Also for anybody to realise the difference between open eyes shooting vs one eye neat little trick I was taught.

Point at an object with your index finger with only your dominant eye open. And then see the same object with your other eye open. Then both eyes open. Does your sight image move ?
 

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A must-read article by Levina.


Col Hunny Bakshi Versus Hamam, When the Intel Officer Escaped Death by the Skin of His Teeth



This article is part-4 in the series. You can read part-1, part-2 and part -3 in the links.
You can watch our video on this

Technical Support division, TSD, was the name given to the special Intel Unit that was created in 2010. General VK Singh, Chief of staff of Indian Army, chose one of his most trusted man, Colonel Hunny Bakshi, to head covert unit. In just 2 years, TSD had managed to shock Pakistan’s spy agency, ISI, and Pak-sympathising elements in India. Once the existence of this covert unit came to light, the Hamam decided to eliminate the threat. This is not the first time when an intelligence officer came on the crosshair of Hamam, let us say Col Hunny Bakshi and Col Purohit are few of the officers who have survived to tell us their stories.
But who was responsible for the attack? How did they track the officer down? Have other intel officers also faced similar attempts on their lives? This is an investigation into the lesser known perilous games played behind the curtains.

So what is Hamam?
An organized crime syndicate/mafia that runs a parallel government, law unto themselves; it has dropped its roots in every corner of the country. According to the Vohra committee (1993), this syndicate has developed links with and are being protected by Government functionaries and political personalities. It’s sphere of influence includes famous media persons, thespians and those holding position of power at various levels.
The “respectable” members of the decorous Hamam were not very happy with the fact that Indian army had produced a beast which was adept at carrying out covert operations anywhere in the world, leaving no trails behind, and putting an end to the espionages carried out within India by ISI. Afterall, a lot of funding that the Hamam received was through the ISI.

To make Indian Army toe the line, Hamam had decided to corner it. TSD was disbanded in August 2012, after it was accused of carrying out assumed “inappropriate” operations within the country. But the man who knew all the secrets was still around and was akin to a ticking bomb, who could expose the nefarious designs of the Hamam.

This graph is a proof of whittling down of terrorism between 2010 and 2012 when TSD was active and this is the reason why the inimical elements wanted TSD disbanded.

Terrorism in India - Wikipedia

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The attack
On 28th December 2014, a low intensity blast took place outside Coconut Grove restaurant in Bangalore. It was an IED (improvised explosive device) filled with splinters that went off outside the restaurant, which injured 4 people and killed a woman. Interestingly, no terrorist group ever claimed responsibility for the attack.


So how do we know the target was Colonel Hunny Bakshi?
  • Terrorists usually attack a crowded place to cause maximum damage but Coconut Grove at Church street isn’t one of the most populated places in Bangalore.
  • It was a low intensity blast, again an indication that the blast was not meant to cause many deaths.
  • No terrorist group came forward to take responsibility of the attack, should ideally rouse one’s curiosity.
  • Police interrogated 2 suspects who were arrested for a blast in the Hunkar rally that took place in 2013. But nothing came out of the investigation.
Now the other side of the story which proves that the target could have been Colonel Hunny Bakshi– the officer was a regular at the restaurant, and was stationed in Bangalore till December 2014 after which he moved to Ladakh. It would have been impossible for the elements of Hamam to hurt him during his tenure in Ladakh as it would have been harder to keep a track of his movements. What really zaps one’s synapses is the fact the whereabouts of Military intelligence officer was published in a newspaper. The article was in great deets and it also mentioned the GPS position of the place where Colonel Hunny Bakshi resided with his family. This story was published at the peak of election campaign on the front page of the newspaper, albeit the internet version of the article now available has been pruned. When was the last time you saw a front page article dedicated to the deeds of an Indian Army officer? The Intelligence Bureau (IB) had confirmed that the officer deserved Z security as he was a target for the inimical elements as revealed by their sources. So under such circumstances, it is more than evident that Colonel Bakshi was the most probable target of the blast.

The next logical question that arises is– who leaked personal information of Colonel Bakshi? Of course, those within the establishment who interacted with the media and were aware of his whereabouts.
One-off case?

Was the attack on Colonel Hunny Bakshi a one-off case where an Intel officer came under attack? The answer is—NO. Everyone is aware of the plight of Col Purohit who had managed to infiltrate into terrorists groups like SIMI and Indian Mujahideen. Col Purohit in one of his letters said that within the establishment many wanted him eliminated—an indication that Hamam’s roots are spread everywhere.
Another attack was carried out on an intelligence officer who was instrumental in executing Operation Bakhpura. This was an operation carried out in 2003 to eliminate one of the dreaded terrorists in Kashmir valley who had masterminded execution of Nadimarg massacre— when 22 members of a Kashmiri Pandit family were butchered including a 3 year old toddler. The intelligence officer says –“ I was attacked 18 times, but out of them 4 attacks were deadly. But I escaped.”

It’s not uncommon for intel officers to come under attack when terrorist organizations sniff their presence. Two of the above attacks on intel officers took place while Indian national Congress party was in power at the center. But adding to the woes of Col Hunny Bakshi was the fact that despite India being ruled by a nationalist government headed by Narendra Modi, the media and myriads of entities from within the establishment continued to badger him for sometime. His communication to senior officers and minsters were leaked to the nimble footed media which was ready to pass a verdict on the officer.

Colonel Hunny Bakshi’s case is just one among the plethora of cases when an intelligence officer faced physical threat and psychological harassment for serving his country honestly. The enemy’s spy agency, ISI’s intentions are to subvert India, by weakening its defence forces, and disrupting peace in biggest democracy of the world. This is as clear as the blue sky. It is the insatiable desires of the Hamam, that lurks in the shadow, which India must fear, as an old aphorism forewarns—“ a thousand known enemies are better than an unknown enemy”.


An article by Levina
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Read to know more about achievement of TSD— Did UPA Government shut Army’s special intelligence unit down to aide Pakistani proxy war in India?
Continue reading– Intel Officers involved in ops against ISI, are now on its Hitlist
 

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A must-read article by Levina.


Col Hunny Bakshi Versus Hamam, When the Intel Officer Escaped Death by the Skin of His Teeth
Col Hunny Bakshi must be quite a bright guy; irking ISI is not an easy task.

When I read about things like this, I feel that India's biggest enemies are the ones within. They are trying to weaken India from inside like parasites and termites.

It sends a cold shiver down my spine.
 

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Col Hunny Bakshi must be quite a bright guy; irking ISI is not an easy task.

When I read about things like this, I feel that India's biggest enemies are the ones within. They trying to weaken India from inside like parasites and termites.

It sends a cold shiver down my spine.
Any other country, coupta, ansari, sonia and the likes will be hanged to death but not in India!

Frightening indeed; if our country remains intact even now, it's due to sacrifices made by patriots like col bakshi, col purohit and many nameless heroes.
 
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Looks like NSG has quite a few ex-Special Group operators.

Look at their Chests... they have hardly served anywhere in substantial operational areas,,, None of them have a purple heart.. but that is no disqualification though. The GC seems to be donning an RR badge....
 
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