Indian Special Forces (archived)

[Kunal Biswas]

Re: M4 Rifles for Army SF Units

A proper M-4 made by Daniel Defence is still far more reliable than the TAR-21, they also seem cheaper, they also come with different barrel lengths and other options. There are as i said many variants of it, Ordering AR based rifles is not really a big issue.

https://danieldefense.com/rifles.html

Alexander arms Grendel and Beowulf are also beautiful rifles, ideal for a lot of SF roles.

en years ago, they wanted a better gun than the M4, which has a reputation for jamming. (There are those who defend the rifle, but U.S. special forces wanted something different.) The M16 and M4 both use gas tubes to launch their projectiles, and keep these gases (along with burned carbon particles) inside the gun, fouling the receiver. The HK416 uses a gas piston instead of a gas tube to launch projectiles. This method allows the weapon to vent hot gas and burned carbon from the rifle with each shot"¦

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How come they are more reliable ? is there any technical reason behind it ?

TAR-21 is very rugged and we know how M4 behaves..

 

[Bhadra]

Re: M4 Rifles for Army SF Units

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How come they are more reliable ? is there any technical reason behind it ?

TAR-21 is very rugged and we know how M4 behaves..

well the selectors are not part of the debate, hence one can not get valid answers?
Others on the forum at best are counter bidders and only showing their side of the story.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Re: M4 Rifles for Army SF Units

well the selectors are not part of the debate, hence one can not get valid answers?

Others on the forum at best are counter bidders and only showing their side of the story.

Can you be more clear..

thanks..

 

[Bhadra]

Re: M4 Rifles for Army SF Units

Can you be more clear..

thanks..

Someone who selected M-4 is not there to defend and we are getting individual inputs for other weapon system ...

Hence the issue can not be judged...

Regarding direct or indirect gas operations, the former is much faster and produces greater rates of fire. It is also more rugged having lesser parts (piston and spring, liable to frost in sub zero temperature) but has greater recoil increasing inaccuracy.

SFs require to fire in their operations for shorter period of time but with high volume of fire. Reliability should be the key factors in their operations and least chances of failure. SMC or personal weapons as it is within the battalion are numbered and used as only personal point defence weapons. Those who carry these weapons are engaged in firing someother weapons or in direction of operation.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Re: M4 Rifles for Army SF Units

Someone who selected M-4 is not there to defend and we are getting individual inputs for other weapon system ...

Hence the issue can not be judged...

Regarding direct or indirect gas operations, the former is much faster and produces greater rates of fire. It is also more rugged having lesser parts (piston and spring, liable to frost in sub zero temperature) but has greater recoil increasing inaccuracy.

Selection of M4 on first place was utter Wrong, hence no need to judge the rest regardless who selected it..

Read the report posted twice, M4 is not AKM two works in very different way even there gas systems..

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HK-416 reputation among SF world wide have no issue of inaccuracy, If there is a issue of such problem please provide some insight..

 

[Bhadra]

Re: M4 Rifles for Army SF Units

Selection of M4 on first place was utter Wrong, hence no need to judge the rest regardless who selected it..

Read the report posted twice, M4 is not AKM two works in very different way even there gas systems..

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HK-416 reputation among SF world wide have no issue of inaccuracy, If there is a issue of such problem please provide some insight..

Well, if you say you should have been on the selection committee or the DRDO, refuting that is not my case.

I reckon those who are tasked to perform a job have all right to select their weapon system. It should not be like INSAS who was introduced and Jawans rejected it out rightly.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Re: M4 Rifles for Army SF Units

SMC or personal weapons as it is within the battalion are numbered and used as only personal point defence weapons.

Well, if you say you should have been on the selection committee or the DRDO, refuting that is not my case.I reckon those who are tasked to perform a job have all right to select their weapon system. It should not be like INSAS who was introduced and Jawans rejected it out rightly.

M4 is rifle and not a SMGC, Not relivent to M4 rifle..

That is what Internet forum is for, you dont like to debate dont debate just ignore, And if you have nothing to contribute except DODO stuff, Please dont waste bandwidth..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Re: M4 Rifles for Army SF Units

This place is not for personal arguments hence post are moved to chit chat thread, Continue discussing there..

 

[ALBY]

HK-416 reputation among SF world wide have no issue of inaccuracy, If there is a issue of such problem please provide some insight..

What about buying M4 variants chambered for 6.8mm which is in use with some SWAT units ?Its known that it has both benefits of 5.56 and 7.62mm but what about its performance in harsh conditions like mud, dust or water?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Re: M4 Rifles for Army SF Units

What about buying M4 variants chambered for 6.8mm which is in use with some SWAT units ?Its known that it has both benefits of 5.56 and 7.62mm but what about its performance in harsh conditions like mud, dust or water?

I dont know about SWAT with 6.8mm, You are asking about the rifle ?

 

[ALBY]

Re: M4 Rifles for Army SF Units

I dont know about SWAT with 6.8mm, You are asking about the rifle ?

yes about the rifle.how the weapons chambered for 6.8 will perform in harsh conditions.am asking this coz generally weapons chambered for 5.56 lags behind performance in harsh conditions like mud and water and frost as compared to those firing 7.62.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Re: M4 Rifles for Army SF Units

yes about the rifle.how the weapons chambered for 6.8 will perform in harsh conditions.am asking this coz generally weapons chambered for 5.56 lags behind performance in harsh conditions like mud and water and frost as compared to those firing 7.62.

There is no info about that, Cant say how it will behave..

 

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[SPIEZ]

Re: M4 Rifles for Army SF Units

Sure:

Weight: 3.1 kg
Length: (840 mm) (stock extended)
Barrel length: (370 mm)

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Weight:2.98 Kg
Overall Length :590 mm
Barrel Length: 330 mm

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But most Importantly reliability of TAR series of Rifles:

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You just dont have this in M4..
Only its second to a AK regarding reliability..

Then why did the Indian forces initially complain about the gun?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Re: M4 Rifles for Army SF Units

Then why did the Indian forces initially complain about the gun?

Cleaning Kit & Oil..

We were using same cleaning technique as we used in Insas for these guns, And the kit used for these guns are not crude as OFB once..