Indian Special Forces (archived)

[Underground Soldier]

https://theprint.in/defence/col-nav...con-for-many-loses-battle-with-cancer/398630/
What a big Loss to the SF community! RIP Sir!! A legend in every sense!!!

 

[ALBY]

We have double standards.

Bombing NE is totally fine coz no pressure will be put on us but using a gunship in Kashmir is not ok because Pakistan will raise the issue in UN.

Pakistan...which uses terrorists as a national asset to kill its children(not APS ones) and then bombs them with jets.

Bombing of Mizoram was in 50s ryt not in any near time

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

SF Guys from Nagrota Encounter
Image without watermark

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Para trooper Amit Kumar was part of the surgical strikes in POK..he recieved 15 bullet injury.


Subeidar Sanjiv kumar is a subeidar aka one of highest rank that a soldier gets.

And Davender singh is a havildar aka sergeant.

The theory that trainees were sent is already shaking.

Still trying to find out about the experience of the other two paratroopers left.

 

[Bhadra]

Guys Please put an end to all your nonsensical imaginations and speculations.

Let there be some bare facts well known to you guys :

* Pakistani mercenary jihadis come to J&K for a purpose and for a tenure. They carry out specific tasks as per planning and orders of their Masters, be it local or in Pakistan. Their tasks are primarily terrorist in nature and content.

* It is their supermost interest to avoid any direct confrontation with Army or Security Forces. Inflicting casualties on Army through direct confrontation in any manner is the last thing they would do. Their primary aim is survival and be in existence, to keep the water warm as ISI would like to term it. Mostly Jihadi terrorist activities in J&K are other means of delivery of Pakistani state massages.

* Contrary to above, the primary operational aim of Army is to seek confrontation and destroy. All Army operations - CASO, ROP, Area domination, Patrolling, Ambushed, Jungle bashing, intelligence operations and even Sadbhavana all are directed towards seeking a direct confrontations with Jihadis and destroy them with constand offensive.

* In such a situation, Security Forces getting a little extra casualties being attackers is but natural. Speculations of new trainers, lack of night sight, etc etc etc etc and etc all are secondary bullshit.

A defenders strength lies is his preoccupied position, his ability to conceal, lie low and his choice of bringing down fire on approaching attackers when unavoidable as per his convenience and tactics. In the instant case the Jihadis were defenders and our brave SF heros the attackers.

The Jihadis generally do not open fire so easily because opening fire mostly means their end. Close encounter such as those brave boys of 4 PARA SF underwent is common rather than exception in J&K. That is the way of life for all Security Forces personnel in J&K or anywhere else engaged in a fight against terrorism.

The operation being discussed was not a typical SF Operation but a routine bashing based on not so exact intelligence and in a very bad and unfavourable terrain.

So why were SF employed ? Because they are there and they need to be employed like any other force or for being trained if nothing else.

Do not get wonky on the subject. Our Braves did well....

 

[Brahmaputra Mail 2]

Detail account of the operation:
https://swarajyamag.com/news-brief/...n-special-forces-men-died-fighting-terrorists

 

[rkhanna]

Seems a perverse logic if getting the auth from Delhi is correct

Armed action against Indian Populace from the Military CANNOT happen without parliamentary say so. Its not peverse. Without it is how the Uniform Jihadi Army of Pakistan has come into being

the fact that drones have been used means that auth is there. Once the drones narrowly pinpoint the site and paras landed from helis close to it, then I really do not understand the rationale of current Roe that the helis cannot strafe the site when contact is achieved.

You are comparing Drones to the Rudra. Apples to Oranges.

the nomads/villagers have an acute sense of self preservation--will scamper on knowing of an operation

Yet scores have died over the decades.

'hearts and minds'---no one gives a f... about that. Never worked and never will. The reasonable one will not object to a terrorist die, the unreasonable one--well, they are unreasonable!!

On a thermal imaging camera its hard to tell a terorrist from a non terrorist. And Indian Law REQUIRES you to first give an offer for surrender. We are not some tinpot dictatorship.

And you object to "hearts and minds" within the borders of your own country?

There was some mention of NE India and helms being used there and not in Kashmir. Considering that both are parts of India--why the double standards.

Time to do some more research.

Armed Helos WERE used in the NE in the 50s. the exesses and the controversies are part of history. It is learnings from THOSE operations that we dont use armed helos today.

in the NE today we use CAS helos with door gunners ONLY. that too primarily during CASEVAC under fire and almost NEVER in offensive operations 100% of those Helos are operated by the HOME MINISTRY. (BSF/CRPF) not the military unless Military assets are deputed under Civilian control.

Lastly, Helo's in such configs CANNOT operate in the Kashmir Valley. Low air, high altitude and flying within valleys exposes those Helos to extraordinary threats from small arms fire. So outside of political considerations also Armed Helo's are NOT an automatic tactical option.

 

[12arya]

Instead of their experience i am more worried about this line.



Why next morning?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ndtv.com/india-news/kupwara-encounter-the-heartbreaking-story-behind-this-photo-of-army-commandos-in-kashmir-2207482?amp=1&akamai-rum=off

maybe due to inclement weather they couldn't get to them?
in that pic the snow was waist level...so may b they couldn't extract them on time!

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

INS Karna
Base of Indian Navy Marine Commandos (MARCOS)

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

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INS Karna
Base of Indian Navy Marine Commandos (MARCOS)

My bad
Correction INS Abhimanyu

 

[Unknowncommando 2]

Para (SF) & NSG Commandos together during Republic Day Celebrations 2020, New Delhi

H&K MP5-A5 + Zeiss Sight
IWI TAR-21 + ITL MARS Sight
SIG 551-SB + Trijicon ACOG Sight

Credits/Source : https://t.co/zeVn7BYzi8 https://t.co/pybra4hpzX

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

Probably the last picture of our boys ever clicked

 

[itsme]

There were 6 of them, right?---------------------------------------------

 

[rkhanna]

There were 6 of them, right?---------------------------------------------

Point man should be further ahead. Just saying

 

[JBH22]

Why send a fire team for such mission. At least a squad should have been the norm. You don't send a fire team for area domination. That too special forces. Something is disturbing imho I may not have all the facts, but you know you will make contact with the enemy. You send a fire team without air support.something is weird

 

[Bhadra]

maybe due to inclement weather they couldn't get to them?
in that pic the snow was waist level...so may b they couldn't extract them on time!

Anyone who is talking about and questining about next morning has no idea about such operations or such terrain....

If one who does not know that search can not be carried out during night has no business spamming this thread.. It is unfortunate that two members of the squad slided down into the lap of the terrorists... It speaks volumes about our braves that even then they did not let the bastards go away...

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Anyone who is talking about and questining about next morning has no idea about such operations or such terrain....

If one who does not know that search can not be carried out during night has no business spamming this thread.. It is unfortunate that two members of the squad slided down into the lap of the terrorists... It speaks volumes about our braves that even then they did not let the bastards go away...

I was the one


I say again and read properly


What was the other squad doing?One squad was pinned down and the other reached next morning.

You call this military tactics?

 

[Bhadra]

I was the one


I say again and read properly


What was the other squad doing?One squad was pinned down and the other reached next morning.

You call this military tactics?

For anti infiltration ops near LC you go and lay stops particularly for the night time. There were multitudes of troops in that area as it was stated and it was statingly a five days long operation .... So how can one pin point what was going on, harp on our imagination and then start enumerating tactics ...

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

For anti infiltration ops near LC you go and lay stops particularly for the night time. There were multitudes of troops in that area as it was stated and it was statingly a five days long operation .... So how can one pin point what was going on, harp on our imagination and then start enumerating tactics ...

u should read about this op sir.

2 teams were doing top down approach..one got pinned down.

 

[Vande1947]

Armed action against Indian Populace from the Military CANNOT happen without parliamentary say so. Its not peverse. Without it is how the Uniform Jihadi Army of Pakistan has come into being



You are comparing Drones to the Rudra. Apples to Oranges.



Yet scores have died over the decades.



On a thermal imaging camera its hard to tell a terorrist from a non terrorist. And Indian Law REQUIRES you to first give an offer for surrender. We are not some tinpot dictatorship.

And you object to "hearts and minds" within the borders of your own country?



Time to do some more research.

Armed Helos WERE used in the NE in the 50s. the exesses and the controversies are part of history. It is learnings from THOSE operations that we dont use armed helos today.

in the NE today we use CAS helos with door gunners ONLY. that too primarily during CASEVAC under fire and almost NEVER in offensive operations 100% of those Helos are operated by the HOME MINISTRY. (BSF/CRPF) not the military unless Military assets are deputed under Civilian control.

Lastly, Helo's in such configs CANNOT operate in the Kashmir Valley. Low air, high altitude and flying within valleys exposes those Helos to extraordinary threats from small arms fire. So outside of political considerations also Armed Helo's are NOT an automatic tactical option.

Thanks for your detailed explanation.
Please do indulge me one last time--were our forces and their commanders working on the assumption in THIS particular operation that the terrorists being chased/sought to be captured/killed were Indians?
Thanks.