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Paratrooper Chhatrapal Singh, 4 Para SF
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See the equipment wasn't bad. EXFIL Highcut Ballistic Helmet with TONBO Arjun Thermal Sight
IWI G-TAR 21 with MKEK T40 UBGL
Bullet Resistant Jacket
This is what happens when you will buy equipments not by one step at a time but trying to jump 3 steps in one go.

The operators have no idea how to balance the weight on their helmet .They do not even know how to do that.

When they run the nvg will be making it go left and right.

There is no place to put batteries or weight balancing for a helmet or anything to hold that nvg or any other sight.

There are no IR strobes or patches.

Least of all no head sets...so why the high cut?

Unfortunately the helmet states a true picture of the things in SF in terms of equipment.
 

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Have we heard of suppressor?
U have better chance of Finding Uranium then supressor in India
They aren't manufactured in OFB not any private firm so mostly import, that's what I believe.
I hope the thing in his right pouch is a radio and not a knife, there is no reason to believe High command doesn't provide Indivisual Radios to SF soldiers.
We are long way from providing Integrated Com set but a radio shouldn't be that hard.


Don't they like help in encounters and help conceal position or something like that?
They tend to reduce power of the bullet in long distance which is most likely why there was no consideration of Supressor here.

This looks like a nudge above regular infantry in Kashmir.

Not much different than year 2000.
It's not even about equipment anymore, it's about prioritie of Indian Administration and Army high command.
Looks like the establishment is too happy to play the cat and mouse game with Pakistan.
Pakis can recruit jahil jehadi and send them for Jihad and no one cares there, but we have a face to save we are answerable to every death on border.
That's what bleedin from a thousand cuts is all about.
There is no pro active approach to Pakistan even with this government and that is reflected in its action
They are better than previous ones but that isn't going to put an end to Pakistan u need more way way more radical approach.

How long do we have to tolerate the hijara army?
Why don't we go full out on these motherfuckers, bomb the Paki ******s so much that their pimp daddy America has to beg for mercy.
We missed our chance during Kargil.

We missed our chance during surgical Strike.

We missed our chance during Balakot.
One pilot and the whole administrations shit dryed up in their collectives asses.

We should have smoked Paki air force that day along with Navy and Indian amry should have marched to Lahore to rescue our pilot.

We chose to save face and what do u think happend we have no proof that we shot down their plane. Who won in this PR stunt, the Pakis did we lost street credit that day.

Just what the heck are we waiting for, are we waiting for Vishnu avatar Kalki to show up? Or is Modi has some god sent date in mind?

Every army has its good and bad days, last year US SFs got slaughtered in Africa but America learns how to avoid the bad days same can't be said about us.

Pakis top officials are probably laughing their ass off right now.
Pakis are pigs we wrestle the pig we get dirty the pig gets dirty but the pig enjoys it. Either slaughter the pig or beat the shit out of it.

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Sorry for the outburst that's why I was avoiding this thread
 

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Expecting suppressors from the bunch of jokers (army top brass) is a bit thick
 

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Isn't it the weight of thermal imager(looks like tonbos arjun ) which is pushing the helmet down rather then being ill fitted??

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It does look like the helmet is sized too large for the lad(not critizing him he was issued it by someone) and it doesn't have a good internal harness or pad system installed to help.

Just for comparison sake here is one of our lads with a counterweight system mounted on his helmet.
That little pouch at the back will hold a battery system/cable management,

 

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Question from an outsider. Do Indian SOF/SO LE etc send their patrol medics etc on secondment to hospitals. We do it here (and most others in Europe etc do too) to learn more advanced skill sets, trauma medicine etc that you can't get on a sterile mil course?
Indian Forces have a very large Medical Corps where Medicos, right from assistants to very highly graded specialist are recruited as combatised manpower. Besides it runs its own Medical college. Then there is a territorial network of large and small hospitals geared to take on and manage peacetime and wartime casualties and health issues.

Going to active units by doctors and para medics is secondment running for about two to three years after which they revert back to hospitals. Indian Medical Corps is one of the largest Medical Service in the country as also one of the largest military medical corps in the world.
 

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It does look like the helmet is sized too large for the lad(not critizing him he was issued it by someone) and it doesn't have a good internal harness or pad system installed to help.

Just for comparison sake here is one of our lads with a counterweight system mounted on his helmet.
That little pouch at the back will hold a battery system/cable management,

Could be but with the tonbo arjun TTI battery goes with the sight and not connected to the battery at the back of the helmet so the whole weight is towards the front. This sight can be fixed both on the helmet or the rifle. There is a video about this on youtube produced by tonbo itself.

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The western trend for an SF "team" aka a patrol etc for everyone from the various SAS's, almost all NATO and NATO standard SF/SOF/NSW etc is 6 men, the days of the 4 man patrol is pretty much gone. so it seems the Indian SF have adopted that too.

Also this seems like a pursuit operation....so these guys role might have been as a blocking force or a beating team...aka blocking the OF into a set area or actively pushing them towards another larger force.
It's a fairly standard tactic, the Brits/Americans did it at the start of operations in the Tora Bora mountains in Astan back in the day.

Unless we know the scale of the other forces and resources involved I think it would be a mistake to think these lads were the only ones involved.....it was just a bizarre contact they wound up in....it happens.
Why should you think India adopts things from Europeans.
The organisation is an outcome of functional necessity. Indian requirements, roles, tasks and terrains etc very much vary from the expeditionary / mercenary armies of Europe and USA..
 

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Guys I am reading the book " No Easy day" in that the operator talks about training in the same gear which he would be using in the operation and also the having options of the kit he wishes to have. Is it the same in our training as well?

Is there any book that gives these descriptions. The ones that I have read are the ones where they only talk about an operation or what the operator does and more like the situation never about how the person trained and kits available to them.

One more thing, is there any sights available which can be both NVG and infrared?

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Why should you think India adopts things from Europeans.
The organisation is an outcome of functional necessity. Indian requirements, roles, tasks and terrains etc very much vary from the expeditionary / mercenary armies of Europe and USA..
Oh I wasn't implying they "copied" it from here or anything, just people coming to the same rationalisation of an optimised size of a patrol, It used to be 4 guys based off the old British SAS model.
 

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Could be but with the tonbo arjun TTI battery goes with the sight and not connected to the battery at the back of the helmet so the whole weight is towards the front. This sight can be fixed both on the helmet or the rifle. There is a video about this on youtube produced by tonbo itself.

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Oooh I don't fancy that on a helmet :(
 

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SF battalion, like any other battalion would comprise of companies. The SF refers to a company as 'team'. So each team- Alpha, Bravo, Charlie etc. is basically a company led by a Major/Captain. The company commander would be referred to as team commander or troop commander in SF.

Due their nature of operation a member from one team do not often get to meet member from other team. For eg one team might be posted in J&K and one team somewhere in South India.

Each team is divided into squads. Size of the squad vary as per operational requirement. SF mostly deploy in squads instead of team.

The CO of the unit has to manage all its teams deployed across the span of India.
 

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Could be but with the tonbo arjun TTI battery goes with the sight and not connected to the battery at the back of the helmet so the whole weight is towards the front. This sight can be fixed both on the helmet or the rifle. There is a video about this on youtube produced by tonbo itself.

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So battery is not connected.Its a extra pair which you put at the back of your helmet to balance out the nvg weight at the front of your helmet.

Basically counter balancing.

Then they got small harness kind of things to hold the nvg from going left or right when you run.

Lots of geek stuff bro.Dont get me started.
 

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Real General talking like us Arm chair General...advocating the use of air power.

The General speaks like a general only ..
His views on use of hellimounted MMGs are valid but helicopters would not fire along or down the slopes into a narrow Nullha effectively as MGs are mounted at side doors and would not bring down frontal fire along the axis of helicopter nose. Firing on sides means flying by the side of slope and fire will be broadside sweeping fire.
 

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The General speaks like a general only ..
His views on use of hellimounted MMGs are valid but helicopters would not fire along or down the slopes into a narrow Nullha effectively as MGs are mounted at side doors and would not bring down frontal fire along the axis of helicopter nose. Firing on sides means flying by the side of slope and fire will be broadside sweeping fire.
lch is best option in these situations
 
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