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Ppl also fail to understand the fundamental differences in the way SM and other Israeli military SF teams operate which is considerably different from our Police forces and SF. Each SF has its own way of doing things based on operational doctrine and operating environment. While some fundamental skills like shooting, room clearance etc are common and transferable, a lot of tactical stuff is too subjective and may not be applicable. It is upto an individual team to come up with its own tactics based on their specific operational experience rather than simply copy from "superstars" of global SF.

We need to have our own self respect also...our Para SF has done enough to earn its place on its own terms...no need to beg outside help to train as if we are still pups chasing own tails
But can we execute an op like Operation Entebbe?????? Operation wrath of God???
There no shame in learning from someone better.
26/11 was such a shameful event that Israelis offered us to send their SFs to carry out CT ops.
Its not like we dont teach Israelis anything.
We are expert in jungle and mountainous terrain COIN ops. We even share our CT ops experience with the Americans.
Whats our experience in hostage rescue ops , Anti hijacking ops? Whats our doctrine , do we have a ready plan and force to deal with it post IC814 debacle???
 

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There no shame in learning from someone better.
26/11 was such a shameful event that Israelis offered us to send their SFs to carry out CT
What was shameful in operation of nsg in 26/11?
Now they are not shaktiman to reach Mumbai in seconds blame government for not posting them there. Work of NSG was pretty good when they reached inside the hotel.
Whats our experience in hostage rescue ops , Anti hijacking ops? Whats our doctrine , do we have a ready plan and force to deal with it post IC814 debacle???
Team was ready to move in when that plane was in Punjab political will was not there hence allowance was never given. Now troops cannot raid the plane without approval can they?
 

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But can we execute an op like Operation Entebbe?????? Operation wrath of God???
There no shame in learning from someone better.
26/11 was such a shameful event that Israelis offered us to send their SFs to carry out CT ops.
Its not like we dont teach Israelis anything.
We are expert in jungle and mountainous terrain COIN ops. We even share our CT ops experience with the Americans.
Whats our experience in hostage rescue ops , Anti hijacking ops? Whats our doctrine , do we have a ready plan and force to deal with it post IC814 debacle???
India always gets caught its plans down PorkiShitani Army. PorkiShitani Dogs can come up with pretty Ambitious Plans but They always fails to implement them correctly in battle.
 

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But can we execute an op like Operation Entebbe?????? Operation wrath of God???
There no shame in learning from someone better.
26/11 was such a shameful event that Israelis offered us to send their SFs to carry out CT ops.
Its not like we dont teach Israelis anything.
We are expert in jungle and mountainous terrain COIN ops. We even share our CT ops experience with the Americans.
Whats our experience in hostage rescue ops , Anti hijacking ops? Whats our doctrine , do we have a ready plan and force to deal with it post IC814 debacle???
India always gets caught its plans down PorkiShitani Army. PorkiShitani Dogs can come up with pretty Ambitious Plans but They always fails to implement them correctly in battle.
 

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But can we execute an op like Operation Entebbe?????? Operation wrath of God???

Whats our experience in hostage rescue ops , Anti hijacking ops? Whats our doctrine , do we have a ready plan and force to deal with it post IC814 debacle???
An operation like Entebbe is not about capability but will. There is an element of political daring that has to be present to order an Op like that...you can have the bravest and best soldiers but without the will to unleash them they are useless.

Hostage rescue...how many times do tangos take hostages in India? The finest hostage rescue team in the world is South African Police STF cause they have 2-3 situations every day. NSG SAG 52 practices constantly for anti-hijack ops but has it ever been actually employed or even been on standby? For IC814 too please read...our boys were ready to go but the politicians chickened out and withheld approval to storm.

Don't put us on the same pedestal as Israel or the US...both public and political will is on a totally different level. The operational doctrine is totally different. Our boys are good at what they do, if they are asked to do something else they will train and prepare
 

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PARA SF have trained with US Green Berets & Rangers however I dont think there's been any training with Tier 1 Units like Navy Seals/ Delta force or even British SAS/SBS?

Pictures from latest addition of Vajra Prahar exercise between Para SF and Rangers (and USSF):






In the last image, one can see the Ranger putting on the Basic Parachutist Badge, otherwise simply called the "jump wings" (awarded upon completion of the Basic Airborne Course at the US Army's Infantry school at Ft. Benning) onto the Para commando. Obviously, the Paras are fully airborne-qualified as it is, this is but an additional course done for the purpose of familiarization and to allow the sharing of ideas & techniques.

 

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PARA SF have trained with US Green Berets & Rangers however I dont think there's been any training with Tier 1 Units like Navy Seals/ Delta force or even British SAS/SBS?
That's because most cross training and/or joint exercises are typically conducted with direct counterparts. This is for a reason. You don't send personnel from our 91 Infantry Brigade (IA's amphibious infantry) to train with, say, troops from the US Army's 10th Mountain Div. You send them to train with USMC.

And same applies when looking at it from their perspective, they won't send their Army just because we sent our Army, they'll look in their inventory for what units they have that are suitable for a given exercise and they'll send them, in this case, Marines:



The same is more or less true when talking about training with JSOC units. The Tier-1 SOFs typically train with their counterpart teams from allied nations, like seen here in a joint ex with French Tier-1 operators:



This doesn't outright mean Tier-1 forces of US have never been in India or trained alongside certain units with roles that lie so far outside the 'typical' SF subset like counter-terrorism or clandestine action (and yes, that is different from covert action). They certainly have. But the fact remains, that India at the moment does not really have a Tier-1 counterpart/equivalent.

If the American SOCOM structure were to be superimposed on the Indian SF scene, we'd only find units which can fill what they would consider Tier-2.

The units under AFSOD are (or at least will be) the closest thing to a Tier-1 force that India would get. Mayhaps sometime in the 2020s, we'd get to see some regular AFSOD-JSOC interactions & exchanges, and ones which will actually manage to make it to public domain (not least because the nature of such exercises from the CT subset like tubular assaults, clearing public infra etc. aren't anything to be completely classified).
 

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What junk OFB?...OFB is not getting privatised so chetoos sellers can make few more bucks :lol:
Even chetoos sellers are in profit.
OFB is not.
Even they innovative OFB doesn't.
Everything depends on profit because of incompetence of OFB Russians are earning.
 

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Even chetoos sellers are in profit.
OFB is not.
Even they innovative OFB doesn't.
Everything depends on profit because of incompetence of OFB Russians are earning.
OFB has public duty towards nation & it's people...Pvt sector has duty towards its Pvt shareholder, just like BSNL provide public service across country which rest of PVT sector can't cause they want to make money for their looser shareholders & enrich themselves not Indians as for OFB tell your Pvt sector to come with better product using their own Money...public money will not be used for chetoos sellers.
 

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OFB has public duty towards nation & it's people...Pvt sector has duty towards its Pvt shareholder, just like BSNL provide public service across country which rest of PVT sector can't cause they want to make money for their looser shareholders & enrich themselves not Indians as for OFB tell your Pvt sector to come with better product using their own Money...public money will not be used for chetoos sellers.
Time will happen for that too government is already trying to push aside them.
Work is already started to bring private sector in defence.
Using public money to keep white elephant alive is not a wise use.
I'm not against PSU. I do like ISRO and drdo.
 
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Time will happen for that too government is already trying to push aside them.
Work is already started to bring private sector in defence.
Using public money to keep white elephant alive is not a wise use.
nope time is coming for a change, social upheaval is coming & it's gonna bite Modi & his crook corporate billionaire pals hard...some sane minds in his cabinet have already warn him of this & he has taken some corrective measures despite corporate pressure but high unemployment , farmers distress & sinking wages will be his downfall...some of its affect has already been felt in recent state elections.
 

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Time will happen for that too government is already trying to push aside them.
Work is already started to bring private sector in defence.
Using public money to keep white elephant alive is not a wise use.
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nope time is coming for a change, social upheaval is coming & it's gonna bite Modi & his crook corporate billionaire pals hard...some sane minds in his cabinet have already warn him of this & he has taken some corrective measures despite corporate pressure but high unemployment , farmers distress & sinking wages will be his downfall...some of its affect has already been felt in recent state elections.
We'll see
Do you know why congress won till 2014? Because of pure growth after era of atal bihari and nuclear test.
Same will happen with modi till the time 2026 will come our economy will be much much more bigger. People will be much much more wealthier. Public wealth is already doubled. Infrastructure investments will start and ideologically Right wing will stay here for LONG. So no congress is not going to come back.
 
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