Indian Special Forces (archived)

[plugwater]

I am not biased towards BJP. Sometime I do oppose BJP decision too. But unfortunately, 95% Mistakes/Blunders are done by Congress since 47. If i will start, it will not end. You can bet me on that.

ROFL!!

When did you oppose BJP ? I'd like to know

 

[ALBY]

Marcos in Action at Kochi today ahead of Navy Day
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[Tshering22]

The point is, we still managed to keep our territory despite all this "lack of care". Can we say the same if PLA attacks us? I doubt that. But then this fcuking government UPA will go on comparing the demons without actually allowing people to sit and think logically the difference between a conventional threat from a failed, collapse-ready state and a threat presently from a nation 3 times our size, 3 times our economy, 2 times our military and 4 times our capability to spend on military with a government that can mobilize resources before a blink of eye.

Clearly, while this paper might be true, it is coming out at this time because elections are nearing. Simple as that. But it won't change the fact that Congress is the biggest threat to India at present; worse than LET and PLA.

 

[W.G.Ewald]

I did not know Pakistan operated UAVs against India. What countermeasures are taken if that threat still exists?

IA have any of these?

 

[ALBY]

 

[ALBY]

even though X-95 could be a excellent cqb weapon for urban warfare but doesn't seem to be the best choice for CRPF which is engaged in jungle warfare.There you would need not only accuracy and stability but also heavy punching power which a 5.56 couldn't offer.AK103s offer both power and improved accuracy than akm and reliability plus reduced weight and price.and it could be equipped with the type of optics also.
While citing the reason for inducting x-95s CRPF top brass had said that they are not satisfied with the punching power offered by the INSAS.Only god knows how their requirement is met in x-95 as it is firing the same ammo.

 

[ALBY]

ROFL!!

When did you oppose BJP ? I'd like to know

plugwater these BJP fanboys are not gonna to say anything against their party.

 

[ALBY]

Care to give any valid reason rather than 1-2 liner sarcasm ??

As per Hijack incident, If we didn't released Azhar, then more than 180 Passengers of would have died. Government did in public pressure. Although I personally feel it was mistake but not 100 blunder what Congress did from 1948 to 2011. [From Nehru to MMS]

I am not biased towards BJP. Sometime I do oppose BJP decision too. But unfortunately, 95% Mistakes/Blunders are done by Congress since 47. If i will start, it will not end. You can bet me on that.

why didn't they do an indian version of Operation Entebbe?afaik we had NSG,and Para sf at that time who were capable of doing the anti hijack operations across the border.pls don't tell the story of nsg got stuck in the traffic of amristar.
Bjp rule was full of some showoffs which didn't brought any change and thats why people didnt gave them a second chance.

 

[natarajan]

that is their first ruling period and they are young ,so we can forgive mistake for once but not from 1947 kashmir blunder ,donating katchatheevu islands and coco to others which was used by china now,releasing terrorists to release kashmir minister child.Ignoring sardar patel advice on china,going to UN in kashmir war were we we can easily won the war.So that there wont be any kashmir issue and we might access to afghanistan and to europe.This are just samples if i write i can write one book
Whenever i see a anti-bjp thread all inc fanboys gang up .I have never seen in any other thread as inc has lots of negatives these days.

 

[ALBY]

that is their first ruling period and they are young ,so we can forgive mistake for once but not from 1947 kashmir blunder ,donating katchatheevu islands and coco to others which was used by china now,releasing terrorists to release kashmir minister child.Ignoring sardar patel advice on china,going to UN in kashmir war were we we can easily won the war.So that there wont be any kashmir issue and we might access to afghanistan and to europe.This are just samples if i write i can write one book
Whenever i see a anti-bjp thread all inc fanboys gang up .I have never seen in any other thread as inc has lots of negatives these days.

BJP was only inexperienced but not NDA.they all date backs to 1977 janatha party movement and all had got enough experience under unstable Govt. of those who come after rajiv gandhi.
coming to your kashmir offensive it was not at all winnable if seen from army's point of view.Many top military officials had commented in the same topic which clearly stated that we go on in an aggression to recapture rest of the Kashmir then it could have backfired due to the situations prevailed at that time.

 

[Galaxy]

why didn't they do an indian version of Operation Entebbe?afaik we had NSG,and Para sf at that time who were capable of doing the anti hijack operations across the border.pls don't tell the story of nsg got stuck in the traffic of amristar.
Bjp rule was full of some showoffs which didn't brought any change and thats why people didnt gave them a second chance.

Plane was in A'than under Taliban control with the help of Pakistan. Although I did said, It was mistake but at that time pressure was too much on government to protect 180+ passenger.

Showoff is better than Losing Part of Kashmir to Pakistan and Aksai Chin.

 

[Ray]

If we are talking about the 1947 war, then it was very winnable.

I have personally heard the discussion on Kashmir from Lt Gen LP Sen, DSO, who was commanding the Uri Brigade that the IA was about to link Punch with Uri, when they were called back.

 

[Ray]

I find this attributing of people being fan boys of party A or B is quite uncalled for.

Please debate and not get personal.

We are getting a trifle browned off with these petty bickering since it veers off from the real issue and makes it immensely exasperating for moderation.

If some govt has made an erroneous judgement, then say it up front or rebut up front.

It matters not as to who is posting the same and what is his political leanings.

 

[ALBY]

Plane was in A'than under Taliban control with the help of Pakistan.

Showoff is better than Losing Part of Kashmir to Pakistan and Aksai Chin.

galaxy even though it would be risky to operate against taliban inside astan in such a scenario, but was not impossible considering the israelis had successfully rescued their plane and passengers with minimal loss.
A well planned operation involving IAF,SF and Northern alliance fighters could have made history.

 

[Ray]

I think if the SF was upto it, it may have been possible.

Though involving too many participants would only delay because of coordination problems.

Surprise and swift action is the key to anti hijack ops.

 

[Galaxy]

galaxy even though it would be risky to operate against taliban inside astan in such a scenario, but was not impossible considering the israelis had successfully rescued their plane and passengers with minimal loss.
A well planned operation involving IAF,SF and Northern alliance fighters could have made history.

Yes, It was not impossible but it was very difficult considering the risk of 200 odd people.

Northern alliance was not in control of Kandhar area. (It was under Taliban control).
IAF can't fly to A'than without Pak/Iran + A'than permission.
Same for SF.

It's easier said than done. I still feel, May be Government would have tried. May be Azhar would still be in Jail but not sure of 200 Passengers stayed alive.

 

[Sabir]

that is their first ruling period and they are young ,so we can forgive mistake for once but not from 1947 kashmir blunder ,donating katchatheevu islands and coco to others which was used by china now,releasing terrorists to release kashmir minister child.Ignoring sardar patel advice on china,going to UN in kashmir war were we we can easily won the war.So that there wont be any kashmir issue and we might access to afghanistan and to europe.This are just samples if i write i can write one book
Whenever i see a anti-bjp thread all inc fanboys gang up .I have never seen in any other thread as inc has lots of negatives these days.

Thanks God you have not written the book

 

[Param]

galaxy even though it would be risky to operate against taliban inside astan in such a scenario, but was not impossible considering the israelis had successfully rescued their plane and passengers with minimal loss.
A well planned operation involving IAF,SF and Northern alliance fighters could have made history.

Do you expect an operation by our SF in such an environment? Israel incident was different. Do you expect the Taliban to have allowed Indian SF to operate there and go back alive?
Taliban had their own Airforce then and were the Govt in Afghanistan, not like the shoot and scoot militant force it is today.

One Grenade at fuel tanks by the hijackers or one RPG from the Taliban would have blown up the entire plane

Btw the Northern alliance was nowhere near Kabul. It was routed to the Northern Fringes of Afghanistan. Kandahar is in the Southern part of Afghanistan, a distance of hundreds of Kms of Taliban territory.

 

[lemontree]

Force One, Maharashtra's specialised counter-terror unit formed as a response to the 26/11 attacks, became operational on Tuesday. Its mandate however is far from clear. National Security Guard (NSG) is also setting up base in Mumbai and there is nothing to indicate that centre-state duality will not be replicated in the final outcome. A national daily asked if Force One will be expected to respond first to 26/11 like attack or will NSG be the primary response, as was the case during November 26, 2008 terror attacks? Given the track record, even the MARCOS (an elite special operations unit of the Indian Navy) moved out when NSG arrived on 26/11. Will NSG make way for Force One or will Force One be secondary to NSG? A nine-hour delay in the NSG reaching Mumbai during 26/11 led to the formation of Force One.

Since that above article was printed. Force One has remained a redundant force - no officers to lead it. The state may have to beg the army to second it officers from the army, which may not happen owing to the officer shortages in the army. Besides the army has to officer the 4 hubs with manpower too.

They will only be used for parades and capability demos (as in the pics).

 

[Param]

Leave commandos and fancy firearm stuff, arm the regular police with weapon better than the .303.