Indian Special Forces (archived)

[The Messiah]

I only hope fucking bjp wins next election so i dont have to read rants daily on dfi

 

[Param]

No matter how big the mistake is BJP fanboys always portray them as saints.

So do INC fanboys.

Actually most of these fanboys were too young to read news paper during NDA regime....

So are what is the the age of current UPA fanboys?

Btw,I am an ex-fanboy and read news papers before NDA came into existence.

 

[JBH22]

i will play the devil's advocate
1) during NDA regime that is immediately after kargil war only did the Indian economy started to pick up a full fledged conflict with Pakistan when you do not have enough money is senseless.

2) Kandahar incident that is a great slap for Indian political establishment as a whole but then what was the option accepting 200 body bags for not giving Maulana Masood or try some senseless military action back in 1999 could we project power in Afghanistan rescue the passengers while maintaining surprise?? i highly doubt so

3) After Parliament attack same thing was observed army incapacity to take on our dear neighbour with outdated equipment back then the acquisition of modern equipment was started by the erstwhile George Fernandes. (T-90,Gorshkov,Barak etc )

this however does not oversight the fact of collective failure by intelligence and politician if i may add such intel should be the turf of RAW not IB...

 

[The Messiah]

So do INC fanboys.


So are what is the the age of current UPA fanboys?

Btw,I am an ex-fanboy and read news papers before NDA came into existence.

Name a couple of congress fanboys on this forum ? I for one dont know any but would like to know who they are.

 

[The Messiah]

i will play the devil's advocate
1) during NDA regime that is immediately after kargil war only did the Indian economy started to pick up a full fledged conflict with Pakistan when you do not have enough money is senseless.

2) Kandahar incident that is a great slap for Indian political establishment as a whole but then what was the option accepting 200 body bags for not giving Maulana Masood or try some senseless military action back in 1999 could we project power in Afghanistan rescue the passengers while maintaining surprise?? i highly doubt so

3) After Parliament attack same thing was observed army incapacity to take on our dear neighbour with outdated equipment back then the acquisition of modern equipment was started by the erstwhile George Fernandes. (T-90,Gorshkov,Barak etc )

this however does not oversight the fact of collective failure by intelligence and politician if i may add such intel should be the turf of RAW not IB...

What about previous wars ? were we economically and militarily better off then ? I dont think so.

Even after parliament attack bjp went to usa to issue statement against war so they could contain the situation....whole army deployment was a sham to fool the country.

 

[Ray]

India was economically and military better off in every war.

That is why our strategic reserves could last way longer than that of Pakistan.

 

[The Messiah]

India was economically and military better off in every war.

That is why our strategic reserves could last way longer than that of Pakistan.

Comparison is not with pakistan but rather with India itself. It is being made out like in 1999 we were in no shape economically and militarily to take on pakistan but were we a booming economy with most advanced weapons say for example in 1971 or 1965 ?

 

[Ray]

Has anyone got the link of the original article by CLAW?

 

[JBH22]

What about previous wars ? were we economically and militarily better off then ? I dont think so.

Even after parliament attack bjp went to usa to issue statement against war so they could contain the situation....whole army deployment was a sham to fool the country.

the deployment of army was a show of force and why you exclude the nuclear factor in this equation which was inexistent for prior wars,I do not however support the negligence of Atal Bihari Vajpayee as the PM national security was in his hands.

 

[Ray]

Comparison is not with pakistan but rather with India itself. It is being made out like in 1999 we were in no shape economically and militarily to take on pakistan but were we a booming economy with most advanced weapons say for example in 1971 or 1965 ?

That was when viewed with the blueprint of 'Shining India' being messed!

It all depends on what you term as 'advanced weapons'.

And when compared to Pakistan we were way ahead.

 

[The Messiah]

the deployment of army was a show of force and why you exclude the nuclear factor in this equation which was inexistent for prior wars,I do not however support the negligence of Atal Bihari Vajpayee as the PM national security was in his hands.

paki nukes are a bluff...they will use it when existence of there country is on the cards.

if you are saying that bjp didn't goto war because of nukes then why bash congress for not going to war after 26/11 ? its not like there nukes have disappeared.

 

[The Messiah]

That was when viewed with the blueprint of 'Shining India' being messed!

It all depends on what you term as 'advanced weapons'.

And when compared to Pakistan we were way ahead.

Brigadier it was "India Shining" slogan being plastered everywhere yet excuse is that we weren't economically well off.

Of course we are and were ahead of pakistan.

 

[JBH22]

paki nukes are a bluf...they will use it when existence of there country is on the cards.

if you are saying that bjp didn't goto war because of nukes then why bash congress for not going to war after 26/11 ? its not like there nukes have disappeared.

that's too easy to say the day you get the power to decide the life or death of millions then come back to discuss.
As far as I know the incompetence of aftermath this attack feeding Kasab now this bastard cost us 18 crores, trying to cozy up with Pakistan inspite knowing that they are behind this i believe anyone with sane mind has every reason to complain.

 

[Ray]

Even after parliament attack bjp went to usa to issue statement against war so they could contain the situation....whole army deployment was a sham to fool the country.

One has to understand the aspect of 'strategic surprise' to realise how campaigns are mounted.

The long mobilisation negated the 'strategic surprise'.

India could have still waged war and would have gained, but it would have been a slogging match.

 

[The Messiah]

that's too easy to say the day you get the power to decide the life or death of millions then come back to discuss.
As far as I know the incompetence of aftermath this attack feeding Kasab now this bastard cost us 18 crores, trying to cozy up with Pakistan inspite knowing that they are behind this i believe anyone with sane mind has every reason to complain.

what would have bjp done differently with kasab ? he would have still been in prison.

regarding cozying up with pakistan why did bjp cozy up with pakistan and musharraf after kargil in 2001 (agra summit) and even showed him his house like a tour guide in delhi.

 

[JBH22]

what would have bjp done differently with kasab ? he would have still been in prison.

I don't know about any other party but during COngress rule a porki is being fed,protected for a whooping 18crore budget while many are starving and that's not a hypothetical situation but bitter truth

 

[S.A.T.A]

A little over a year before the kargil conflict India was subjected to sanctions of varying intensity by the US and others because of the Nuclear tests. The series of nuclear tests India had conducted had upset a lot of major world powers and had very little love lost for a assertive nationalist govt. Moreover the world economic was in the grip of the Asian economic crisis and as a consequence the general diplomatic-economic and politcal climate was not conducive for Indian to engage in an extensive warfare.

The CLAW study actually goes so far as to commend the indian decision to respond to the pakistani incursion by deliberately limiting the theater of conflict and not escalating the area of conflict.

 

[The Messiah]

I don't know about any other party but during COngress rule a porki is being fed,protected for a whooping 18crore budget while many are starving and that's not a hypothetical situation but bitter truth

I agree...he should have been found guilty and hanged within a month of 26/11.

But im afraid bjp would have followed same path that we see today.

 

[Param]

that's too easy to say the day you get the power to decide the life or death of millions then come back to discuss.
As far as I know the incompetence of aftermath this attack feeding Kasab now this bastard cost us 18 crores, trying to cozy up with Pakistan inspite knowing that they are behind this i believe anyone with sane mind has every reason to complain.

If we don't cozy up now haw will we retaliate the usual way we do after the next terrorist strike? How will we call off peace talks or dialogue and make statements?

We are over due for the next big strike and what was done in between the previous terror strikes is being repeated now.

The difference between the two parties is one amasses troops at the border and calls them back and the other sends Dossiers.

 

[Galaxy]

BJP fanboy alert!

Again on kasab why did bjp goto taliban and release captured terrorists ? BJP govt ignored intelligence and you say its fine ? go and say that to families of soldiers that died in kargil.

Unlike you i wont blindly support one party and bash another. Why is it so hard to not be biased ?

Care to give any valid reason rather than 1-2 liner sarcasm ??

As per Hijack incident, If we didn't released Azhar, then more than 180 Passengers of would have died. Government did in public pressure. Although I personally feel it was mistake but not 100 blunder what Congress did from 1948 to 2011. [From Nehru to MMS]

I am not biased towards BJP. Sometime I do oppose BJP decision too. But unfortunately, 95% Mistakes/Blunders are done by Congress since 47. If i will start, it will not end. You can bet me on that.