Indian Special Forces (archived)

[Galaxy]

did you forget the shameful defeat pakistanis got from us?And how about kargil 1999 when vajpeiji was back stabbed after the much hyped bus yatra to pakistan?:taunt1:

Kargil we still won. Isn't it ??

What we gained in last 50 years of Congress rule ?? Lost 1/3rd of Kashmir to Pak in 1948, 20% Kashmir to China in 1962. We won war but we lost half of the Kashmir. Gifted the Islands of Coco to Myanmar, Island to SL.

 

[The Messiah]

I know that but those 200 passengers would have died in no time. Make no mistake.

It was decision between saving 200 Passengers or not.

What nonsense! hijackers didn't even have 200 bullets with them. They had bloody pistol.

 

[Dovah]

Both are different. No comparison.

The nature of the incident is moot point Government's ineptness was similar in both.

 

[The Messiah]

Kargil we still won. Isn't it ??

What we gained in last 50 years of Congress rule ?? Lost 1/3rd of Kashmir to Pak in 1948, 20% Kashmir to China in 1962. We won war but we lost half of the Kashmir. Gifted the Islands of Coco to Myanmar, Island to SL.

2 wrongs dont make it right. No one is defending congress either.

you are justifying ineptness of bjp by citing ineptness of congress and at the same time bash congress for being inept so its only logical that you will be called out for having double standards.

 

[Galaxy]

What nonsense! hijackers didn't even have 200 bullets with them. They had bloody pistol.

How you know ?? There were 4-5 hijackers. Even 1 person died too for the sake of warning. They would have killed as they were on suicide mission.

 

[Galaxy]

2 wrongs dont make it right. No one is defending congress either.

you are justifying ineptness of bjp by citing ineptness of congress and at the same time bash congress for being inept so its only logical that you will be called out for having double standards.

We won Kargil and Lost half of Kashmir and strategic important islands. You are mixing 2 different thing.

Kargil was bad for India but at end We won and didn't lost any mountain peak.

 

[ALBY]

Both are different. No comparison.

yes you are absolutely correct ..there is no comparison to mumbai attack where 10 men from pakistan came through sea disguised as fishermen and mixed with millions of mumbaikars untill firing the first bullet.Where as in kargil they came in heavy numbers through open boundaries with out any cover and with their battle gear exposed yet unchecked that too in hundreds and occupied our own posts.wow cool na.these are truely un comparable.

 

[Ray]

What nonsense! hijackers didn't even have 200 bullets with them. They had bloody pistol.

How many dying would be acceptable to Indians is the issue that we must debate over.

One wonders how many would accept that their father or mother or wife or child could be happily sacrificed for the prestige of the Nation.

That is the moral dilemma!

 

[The Messiah]

How you know ?? There were 4-5 hijackers. Even 1 person died too for the sake of warning. They would have killed as they were on suicide mission.

They would not have killed more than few people because commandos would have nailed them within a minute! now think how many bullets are there in a pistol.

we pussyfooted our way out!

 

[Param]

It is completely wrong.the terrorists inside the plane were armed with only mele weapons and pistols .they didn't had placed explosives nor where having grenades .they got hand grenades only when they landed in kandahar.so even if they had opened fire only couple of people could have been killed.But could have saved our national pride.

Lives of Citizens are more important than pride.

The Govt is to blame for all the goof up that happened within our territory, probably even in UAE. But once IC814 reached Kandahar it was out of hands, even an entire team of Rambos would not have been able to rescue the passengers. The reason being a SF operation would have resulted in battle with Taliban, the Govt of Afghanistan.

 

[The Messiah]

How many dying would be acceptable to Indians is the issue that we must debate over.

One wonders how many would accept that their father or mother or wife or child could be happily sacrificed for the prestige of the Nation.

That is the moral dilemma!

How many are dieing in terrorist attacks ?

I'll put you a better question! if they hijacks another plane and says to give our nukes away then will you accept there demand ?

 

[Galaxy]

HIJACKING ... in Amritsar, a speeding tanker causes panic .. http://www.india-today.com/itoday/20000110/cover2.html Read it...

At Amritsar, Captain Sharan requested refueling the aircraft. However, the Crisis Management Group in Delhi directed Amritsar Airport authorities to ensure that the plane was immobilised, which armed personnel of the Punjab police were already in position to try to do.

Eventually, a fuel tanker was dispatched and instructed to block the approach of the aircraft. As the tanker sped towards the aircraft, air traffic control radioed the pilot to slow down, and the tanker immediately came to a stop. This sudden stop aroused the hijackers' suspicion and they forced the aircraft to take off immediately, without clearance from air traffic control. The aircraft missed the tanker by only a few feet and flew away

 

[The Messiah]

Lives of Citizens are more important than pride.

The Govt is to blame for all the goof up that happened within our territory, probably even in UAE. But once IC814 reached Kandahar it was out of hands, even an entire team of Rambos would not have been able to rescue the passengers.

it shouldn't have reached kandahar...thats the whole point.

im sure if congress was at govt same thing would have happened and bjp fanboys would be bashing congress for being soft.

 

[The Messiah]

We won Kargil and Lost half of Kashmir and strategic important islands. You are mixing 2 different thing.

Kargil was bad for India but at end We won and didn't lost any mountain peak.

i am not mixing anything because i bash congress for losing pok while you defend bjp for everything. how many soldiers were lost ?

 

[Bangalorean]

I have already posted this earlier on this thread, but I think it needs to be posted again. For all those who are complaining that they didn't take "tough action". Click on the link and read the entire thing if you have time.

The Truth Behind Kandahar Indian Airlines Hijacking

On Christmas eve, after news of the hijacking broke, there was stunned all-round silence. But by noon on December 25, orchestrated protests outside the Prime Minister's residence began, with women beating their chests and tearing their clothes. The crowd swelled by the hour as the day progressed.

Ms Brinda Karat came to commiserate with the relatives of the hostages who were camping outside the main gate of 7, Race Course Road. In fact, she became a regular visitor over the next few days. There was a steady clamour that the Government should pay any price to bring the hostages back home, safe and sound. This continued till December 30.

One evening, the Prime Minister asked his staff to let the families come in so that they could be told about the Government's efforts to secure the hostages' release. By then negotiations had begun and Mullah Omar had got into the act through his 'Foreign Minister', Muttavakil. The hijackers wanted 36 terrorists, held in various Indian jails, to be freed or else they would blow up the aircraft with the hostages.

No senior Minister in the CCS was willing to meet the families. Mr Jaswant Singh volunteered to do so. He asked me to accompany him to the canopy under which the families had gathered. Once there, we were literally mobbed. He tried to explain the situation but was shouted down.

"We want our relatives back. What difference does it make to us what you have to give the hijackers?" a man shouted. "We don't care if you have to give away Kashmir," a woman screamed and others took up the refrain, chanting: "Kashmir de do, kuchh bhi de do, hamare logon ko ghar wapas lao." Another woman sobbed, "Mera beta"¦ hai mera beta"¦" and made a great show of fainting of grief.

To his credit, Mr Jaswant Singh made bold to suggest that the Government had to keep the nation's interest in mind, that we could not be seen to be giving in to the hijackers, or words to that effect, in chaste Hindi. That fetched him abuse and rebuke. "Bhaand me jaaye desh aur bhaand me jaaye desh ka hit. (To hell with the country and national interest)," many in the crowd shouted back.[/U] Stumped by the response, Mr Jaswant Singh could merely promise that the Government would do everything possible.

 

[Param]

How many are dieing in terrorist attacks ?

I'll put you a better question! if they hijacks another plane and says to give our nukes away then will you accept there demand ?

That depends on the demand. Handing over a fugitive is very very different from handing over nukes.

I think the Govt did a good job of negotiating with them. If you remember the first or second day of Hijack the ransom demand made was HUGE. The demand for release of Masood Azhar was a climb down from their initial demand.

im sure if congress was at govt same thing would have happened and bjp fanboys would be bashing congress for being soft.

Any party in power would have done the same thing.

 

[The Messiah]

I have already posted this earlier on this thread, but I think it needs to be posted again. For all those who are complaining that they didn't take "tough action". Click on the link and read the entire thing if you have time.

The Truth Behind Kandahar Indian Airlines Hijacking

So what ? they are relatives and not everyone puts nation infront of family. But that doesn't mean we start thinking along those lines.

 

[Ray]

How many are dieing in terrorist attacks ?

I'll put you a better question! if they hijacks another plane and says to give our nukes away then will you accept there demand ?

I am afraid you are merely wanting to make your point hold.

How many are dying through terrorist attacks?

I would say many.

However, what you fail to observe is that one cannot predict that an attack is going to take place.

However, when confined in a hijacked aircraft and the terrorists have given a threat, death is on the card and yet the difference is that it can be predicated and avoided!

Do you really want me to answer the question that if someone hijacks an aircraft and demands are nuke what will the country do?

Does that really require an answer?

I would prefer to maintain some semblance of maturity!

 

[The Messiah]

That depends on the demand. Handing over a fugitive is very very different from handing over nukes.

I think the Govt did a good job of negotiating with them. If you remember the first or second day of Hijack the ransom demand made was HUGE. The demand for release of Masood Azhar was a climb down from their initial demand.

It is physiological question...what would you do ?

 

[Bangalorean]

So what ? they are relatives and not everyone puts nation infront of family. But that doesn't mean we start thinking along those lines.

No, but I am just pointing out the kind of pressures the government had to face.

Do read the full thing in the link.

IMHO, in this particular case, there was no other choice.