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I find it amusing that one is comparing Israel with India.

If Israel was after Dawood Ibrahim or Azhar or even the ISI officers behind the Mumbai blasts, they would have by now shaking hands with Allah!

India is not Israel and Israel is not India.

As varied as chalk and cheese!
 

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Lessons from Entebbe and Kandahar
Leadership and Strategic Capability
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Faultlines: Volume 20, January 2011​
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Both are not comparable and are like chalk and cheese.

Why are people bent on comparing things that cannot be compared and deriving conclusions out of them ?
 

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So easy to say when you are not the one facing the angry & sobbing (sometimes wailing) relatives and all political parties at that time supporting the decision of the NDA Government.

Who can forget the famous sleeveless kudiya Brinda Karat shouting all sorts of slogans and picketing along with the relatives and the Sonia Gandhi led Congress 'urging' the Govt to do all that is necessary to save the 172 Indian lives at peril.
The decision was all about politics and its political aftermath. Common man didn't give a shit about terrorists released either.
 

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No reason to attack china! Just attend damn meeting to spite china. If china attacks India and demands we hand over nuke then we will have to goto war. What ? we should pussyfoot again and accept there demands. Country first always!!
Did that happen?

Attend the Meet?

No!

That is the Indian mindset irrespective of who it is!

Sooner we understand the reality and not become cyber heroes, the better.
 

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@galaxy no one is even saying to mount invasion when plane was in kandahar. It is when it was in amritsar.
 

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Thanks Galaxy for so succcintly putting up the entire arguments in graphics.

The thread can be closed.
 

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The decision was all about politics and its political aftermath. Common man didn't give a shit about terrorists released either.
Are you the representative Indian common man?

I am aware that many a common man breathed a sigh of relief when the episode finished.

Who were in the rallies demanding that the hostages be negotiated for?

Some special people and not Indians?
 

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Did that happen?

Attend the Meet?

No!

That is the Indian mindset irrespective of who it is!

Sooner we understand the reality and not become cyber heroes, the better.
When have i said congress are rambos ? read whole thread and you will see i have not defending congress in any post.

the whole argument is that bjp fanboys bash congress for being inept pacifists and ignore same ineptness and pacifist behaviors done by bjp. im just saying why should be loud one party as heroes and other as cowardly when both have shown there pacifist tendencies.
 

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@galaxy no one is even saying to mount invasion when plane was in kandahar. It is when it was in amritsar.
In Amritsar -- Eventually, a fuel tanker was dispatched and instructed to block the approach of the aircraft. As the tanker sped towards the aircraft, air traffic control radioed the pilot to slow down, and the tanker immediately came to a stop. This sudden stop aroused the hijackers' suspicion and they forced the aircraft to take off immediately, without clearance from air traffic control. The aircraft missed the tanker by only a few feet and flew away


The Truth Behind Kandahar Indian Airlines Hijacking
 

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@galaxy no one is even saying to mount invasion when plane was in kandahar. It is when it was in amritsar.
There was no choice once plane was in kandahar but there was a choice when it was in amritsar.
Yes, that is why I asked you to read what was in that link. I am reproducing one more part here:

Meanwhile, we were informed that the pilot of IC 814 had been denied permission to land at Lahore airport. With fuel running low, he was heading for Amritsar. Officials at Raja Sansi Airport were immediately alerted and told to prevent the plane from taking off after it had landed there.

The hijacked plane landed at Amritsar and remained parked on the tarmac for nearly 45 minutes. The hijackers demanded that the aircraft be refuelled. The airport officials ran around like so many headless chickens, totally clueless about what was to be done in a crisis situation.

Desperate calls were made to the officials at Raja Sansi Airport to somehow stall the refuelling and prevent the plane from taking off. The officials just failed to respond with alacrity. At one point, an exasperated Jaswant Singh, if memory serves me right, grabbed the phone and pleaded with an official, "Just drive a heavy vehicle, a fuel truck or a road roller or whatever you have, onto the runway and park it there." But all this was to no avail.

The National Security Guards, whose job it is to deal with hostage situations, were alerted immediately after news first came in of IC 814 being hijacked; they were reportedly asked to stand by for any emergency. The Home Ministry was again alerted when it became obvious that after being denied permission to land at Lahore, the pilot was heading towards Amritsar.

The hijackers, anticipating commando action, first stabbed a passenger, Rupin Katyal (he had gone to Kathmandu with his newly wedded wife for their honeymoon; had they not extended their stay by a couple of days, they wouldn't have been on the ill-fated flight) to show that they meant business, and then forced the pilot to take off from Amritsar. With almost empty fuel tanks, the pilot had no other option but to make another attempt to land at Lahore airport. Once again he was denied permission and all the lights, including those on the runway, were switched off. He nonetheless went ahead and landed at Lahore airport, showing remarkable skill and courage.

Mr Jaswant Singh spoke to the Pakistani Foreign Minister and pleaded with him to prevent the aircraft from taking off again. But the Pakistanis would have nothing of it (they wanted to distance themselves from the hijacking so that they could claim later that there was no Pakistan connection) and wanted IC 814 off their soil and out of their airspace as soon as possible. So, they refuelled the aircraft after which the hijackers forced the pilot to head for Dubai.

At Dubai, too, officials were reluctant to allow the aircraft to land. It required all the persuasive skills of Mr Jaswant Singh and our then Ambassador to UAE, Mr KC Singh, to secure landing permission. There was some negotiation with the hijackers through UAE officials and they allowed 13 women and 11 children to disembark. Rupin Katyal had by then bled to death. His body was offloaded. His widow remained a hostage till the end.

And can you still blame Jaswant Singh? You are just trying to score points to bash the BJP fanboys. :lol:
 

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The decision was all about politics and its political aftermath. Common man didn't give a shit about terrorists released either.
No but everyone who mattered at that time gave a shit and a half for bringing the stranded hostages alive.

The decision to release the scumbags was taken at a All party meeting. Not a NDA meeting and all parties supported it unanimously.

If Congress had a problem ,as it has now, it should have made it clear then..not after 1o years.
 

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Answered above.

While one was a case of absence of "trust but verify" (Kargil),other was pure ineptitude and unprofessionalism. Don't get me started on Shivraj Patil please.


Karthik pls dont start lecturing on the shivraj patil..i admit that he was a useless chap.But how could you miss 1000s of intruders?
I am glad to see you guys are still defending the failure to check the influx of kargil infiltrators.even according to pakistani politicians they lost 3000 pakistani regular soldiers (excluding mujahids).And every one is proud of winning the war which itself was avoidable if took actions at the very first moments.
 

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Are you the representative Indian common man?

I am aware that many a common man breathed a sigh of relief when the episode finished.

Who were in the rallies demanding that the hostages be negotiated for?

Some special people and not Indians?
Where these people in rallies representation views of every Indian ?
 

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In all party meeting, Congress + left said to BJP government to save 200 passengers.

 

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Where these people in rallies representation views of every Indian ?
They were more than you!

It is futile to discuss if you cannot show with any link of what was the feeling of India at that time.

And you want to compare Israel with India!
 

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Yes, that is why I asked you to read what was in that link. I am reproducing one more part here:

And can you still blame Jaswant Singh? You are just trying to score points to bash the BJP fanboys. :lol:
It was responsibility of govt to make sure plane didn't take from amritsar, was it or was it not ? why weren't there arrangements ? jaswants pleading is irrelevant because he didn't make sure there were arrangements.

Allright answer honestly, if same would have happened under congress govt do you think people defending it would be actually defending it ?
 

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This thread should be closed now as all facts has been posted. There was no other option for NDA Government. They did what Parliament, Other parties, 175 Families wanted. Even they tried to stop plane in Amritsar but Plane flew in no time. They asked to Pakistan, They also rejected. So there was no other option.
 
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