Indian Special Forces (archived)

[WARREN SS]

I saw this video a month or so ago and it made my blood boil too.

These guys would not hesitate to volunteer for a no survival mission against the enemy and our Policeman is showing this attitude.

I wish we had a special branch in the Army which took care of such things.

This is why we have high suicide cases.

Very sad situation.

This video Thing Reminds me Of memory of My initial years as Auditor in CGDA

there was One accident I never forgot

There was parents Of One Army Officer Wondering in CGDA Office for Days There only Son Was Martyred His Pention was Stopped Due technical reasons But One babu In Office Was Sit on the File To make some Extra under the table cash

I Witnessed It Only after Intervention of his Senior Officer his file moved. And for that Senior Officer Himself Came With His Parents And Talked To Our Senior Account officer

This Incident made Me realize How insensitive People Of this Country our for People Don't think twice while putting there life on the Line For them

 

[aditya g]

MARCOS and ParaSF in "Creeks Army Base" .... MARCOS working along with ICG ACVs is very significant.

 

[Willy2]

All Para SF battalions trained for operations in various terrains in Mountains , Desert , Urban Warfare , Jungle Warfare and Amphibious Operations.

Why some are watermarked and some are't , are't those one's life in threat if exposed ?

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

MARCOS and ParaSF in "Creeks Army Base" .... MARCOS working along with ICG ACVs is very significant.

Good to see the Marcos attached with the Army units there.

This place is also home to the BSF Croc Commando.

 

[Immanuel]

Do you all read storybooks and come to the forum or do all of you guys really have an idea about how special forces are trained and deployed?

Which school does Garud and Marcos have for high altitude warfare where they train for 3 to 5 years and become tough as nails...now give me an answer and dont reply with fucking philosophy about cross training.

Ladakh scouts,gorkhas and Naga will run circles around Para??..Are you fucking kidding me.

Read about OPERATION KHUKRI.

The best from these unit goes to PARA and not vice versa.

In the Kargil war..high altitude war...the Paras got the unit citation.THE ONLY SF!!!!


Let me know the schools where Marcos and Garuds are trained for High Altitude and Desert warfare and their deployments to these area with photos.

Marcos are deployed around srinagar city which is not a high altitude area.Marcos are not deployed in Thar desert..What are you even talking about?

How many squadrons/flights/teams/units are dedicated in Garuds for desert raids?

How many times have Marcos operated on the LOC,LOLAB,HAFRUDA,??How many deployments in Siachen???

I can bet and say that those who have a problem with my ONE DIMENSIONAL tag have no answer for this.

Standard replies are philosophy and not the reality.

Lastly,Show some fucking respect to PARA.If you count all the bravery awards won by Garud,marcos etc and even add it still it wont be remotely close to what the PARA has.

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To all,

I dont know whats so fcking hard to understand.I will try to explain everyone in 2+2=4 logic.

Para has around 10 thousand operators.

650 of them are dedicated to Desert warfare throughout their life posted in Jodhpur.

Around 4 units are based in Jammu and kashmir and sorrounding regions for high mountian warfare.

1st Para is a tactically stratergic force.

12 and 21 para are on the east ready for guerrilla warfare.

Now,on the fucking whole..if you add this up..what do you have??

A special force which has all fcking kinds of operators for all kinds of terrain.


Marcos are 2000 in number.

Deployed all across south India with no base of its own in Kashmir.

They are attached to RR units or brigades.

They do not have a high altitude deployemnt like in lolab,hafruda or the line of control.

They do not serve in Siachen.

They do not serve in the north east.

Their job in kashmir is in wular lake and the villages nearby which is by no means a 16,000 ft mountain range.

Garuds i wont criticise much as they are a new force for a different task.


The best schools for all kinds of training has instructors from Para SF.(except combat diving)


Now whats so hard to understand in this.Some of you really show signs of a low IQ and then instead of reasoning with respect you cross the line by getting personal.

"no i wont agree with you because all sf are trained for every kind of warfare"

BC when did i say they are not?? I fucking said they are concentrating in 1 kind of warfare by not having a seperate team for a special kind of warfare.Like for desert warfare there is no Marcos team in Thar desert.

"no marcos are the best and they cross train and they are indian seals and their desert team is in kochi and another one in goa and they are the best for HRT and also CQB"

How the fuck does CQB training make them a multi dimensional SF?Will they do CQB on Siachen or in the middle of a desert?

'no marcos and garuds are the best even when they are not always deployed there"

WTAF!!!!

Having spent a good amount of time with all the SF units in the country I know for a fact that none of your nonsense really matters. Garuds/ Marcos/ SFF/ SG/ Para SF train across the country, during their training lasting anywhere between 3-5 years they train in Deserts, Jungles, mountains. True that the Para SF being the Primary SF unit of the Army is deployed across the potential land based conflict zones from Deserts, mountains to jungles and the treacherous terrain across the borders demands these fores be cross functionally trained and deployed. They are the cream of the Army and their use in Kashmir keeps them sharp. However if a Para SF unit has to go against a similar size Gurkha or Ladhak scout formation playing defense. My money on any day is on the infantry.

You're one of those naive fellows who thinks SF alone determines a battle. The war is fought by infantry and God knows we have some of the finest infantry units in the world. You might want to read up some history of bravery.

However, Marcos/Garuds are currently 'very active' in at least 2-3 hotzones outside India. Both forces have over the last 5-6 years gained very active experiences working along other Tier-1 units of certain western counter parts.

Each SF unit has a mandate and the idea is to stick to it. Marcos is indeed deployed along the Coastline, Garuds at all major air bases. They can be rapidly moved for raids on enemy targets. For Garuds these targets are ground based air defense nodes, radar installations, air fields and air bases, strategic weapons dumps near airbases, disrupting enemy fuel supplies for air operations, rescuing downed pilots/hostage rescue, assassinating enemy AF leadership etc. Looking at major enemy bases across both frontiers, you'll see that the terrain they need to operate is varied ranging from mountains to deserts to jungles. They are certainly trained well to operate in all such conditions. I assure you they won't have any problem assaulting an enemy radar node at high altitude.

All SF units are given advanced infantry training during initial phases, then they go on to hone on the skills needed for their specific mandate. How is that hard to understand? It is this that makes all SF units adaptable across a wide missions set. So to say that Para SF is the best makes little sense when comparing mandates. They all have their work cut out for them when a two front war comes and it all boils down to the adage 'perform or perish'. I know for fact that all SF units in the country take their mandate very seriously and the men that are in them are absolutely 'fit for service'.

Therefore, while we here keep talking about SSG and others being inferior, the real people who know are too busy training and fighting to win. Regardless of differences in capability or training; rule number 1 of any war is to never underestimate you enemy. They are just as committed to fight.

 

[Indian Sniper.001]

Just a question. How can an infantry unit be better than a SF unit. Yes, an infantry unit is good, but aren't SF better trained than them?

However if a Para SF unit has to go against a similar size Gurkha or Ladhak scout formation playing defense. My money on any day is on the infantry.

And you have the point below. So, what am I missing?

All SF units are given advanced infantry training during initial phases

 

[aditya g]

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However, Marcos/Garuds are currently 'very active' in at least 2-3 hotzones outside India. ....

Hi, you have mentioned that a number of times on the forum. I think its time you disclose some more details on this, else it is not believable.

 

[Chinmoy]

Don't know whether its relevant in this thread or not. But...........

Camera- Googles for dog squad...

https://epaper.telegraphindia.com/details/278426-14735456.html

 

[HarshBardhan]

Why some are watermarked and some are't , are't those one's life in threat if exposed ?

All the pics are on Facebook and Google Images and it is easily available to anyone if searched for them

 

[rkhanna]

What makes a SOF unit Special is Tasking pure and simple. Its mode of deployment and what they train for.

Around the world ALL SOF units origin comes from Ordinary Line Infantry units who were asked to do extra-ordinary tasks. When they became successful - a Need for Light Infantry units to do such tasks on a permanent basis (not ad-hoc) was created. Because of tasking they get better Weapons than ordinary infantry.

Using a Parable - What is the difference between an IIT engineer and non IIT. Honestly no difference. Just as a generalization better quality of input results as a better quality of output - same goes for SOF units. This is NOT a rule and tons and tons of exceptions around.

Hi, you have mentioned that a number of times on the forum. I think its time you disclose some more details on this, else it is not believable.

Let this one Go. NOW.

Just a question. How can an infantry unit be better than a SF unit. Yes, an infantry unit is good, but aren't SF better trained than them?

There is a reason why US Navy Seals don't go into battle without a US Army Ranger QRT. There are limitations to everything including growth in Skill. Infantry Skill is not Rocket Science. Comes down do Kinetic Quotient of the soldier and practice practice practice. What makes the difference is employment and footprint. SOF units work for strategic outcomes with small logistic footprints. Infantry are tactical with larger footprints.

Let me ask you something. What is an Infantry Ghatak unit

Let me know the schools where Marcos and Garuds are trained for High Altitude and Desert warfare and their deployments to these area with photos.

India has 2 High Altitude Warfare Schools, 1 Jungle Warfare School . ALL services share this resources and all train there.

Am curious what is special requirement here( am assuming most countries can procure the required eqpt and will have men with the required skills even if few in number) which other countries cannot replicate and only a few countries forces can do?

From my understanding - Jumping in a Blue waters with full combat load includes Personal Kit / Dive Equipment / Zodiacs / Mini Subs.

Jumping in open water is not like land.

0. Jumping over open water has different wind conditions/water conditions to moniter
1. Jumping with load is Dangerous even the best drown. You have manage your ascent from your water, Release of parachute, etc
2. Not All load is strapped on person. You have to recover the rest of your gear could be strewn across few miles of water.
3. Deploy Zodiac or Change into DIve Gear while in water - this is dangerous and difficult AF
4. After finding all your gear and getting sorted you then have to link up with the rest of your team who are themselves strewen over vast open water.
5. Swim/paddle Miles of open water to link up with a vessel or infiltrate land covertly

The above is a mindboggling feet and comes down to training which is long and dangerous.

The Navy's whom i know can do this

1. MARCOS
2. USN SEALS
3. SOKO SEALS
4. SBS
5. French/Italian - One of the two cant remember which one exactly.

 

[Indian Sniper.001]

Let me ask you something. What is an Infantry Ghatak unit

Was this question thrown at me? Anyways, they are a specialized SOF operators of a platoon size attached to every unit, to be precise, in every infantry unit.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Having spent a good amount of time with all the SF units in the country I know for a fact that none of your nonsense really matters. Garuds/ Marcos/ SFF/ SG/ Para SF train across the country, during their training lasting anywhere between 3-5 years they train in Deserts, Jungles, mountains. True that the Para SF being the Primary SF unit of the Army is deployed across the potential land based conflict zones from Deserts, mountains to jungles and the treacherous terrain across the borders demands these fores be cross functionally trained and deployed. They are the cream of the Army and their use in Kashmir keeps them sharp. However if a Para SF unit has to go against a similar size Gurkha or Ladhak scout formation playing defense. My money on any day is on the infantry.

You're one of those naive fellows who thinks SF alone determines a battle. The war is fought by infantry and God knows we have some of the finest infantry units in the world. You might want to read up some history of bravery.

However, Marcos/Garuds are currently 'very active' in at least 2-3 hotzones outside India. Both forces have over the last 5-6 years gained very active experiences working along other Tier-1 units of certain western counter parts.

Each SF unit has a mandate and the idea is to stick to it. Marcos is indeed deployed along the Coastline, Garuds at all major air bases. They can be rapidly moved for raids on enemy targets. For Garuds these targets are ground based air defense nodes, radar installations, air fields and air bases, strategic weapons dumps near airbases, disrupting enemy fuel supplies for air operations, rescuing downed pilots/hostage rescue, assassinating enemy AF leadership etc. Looking at major enemy bases across both frontiers, you'll see that the terrain they need to operate is varied ranging from mountains to deserts to jungles. They are certainly trained well to operate in all such conditions. I assure you they won't have any problem assaulting an enemy radar node at high altitude.

All SF units are given advanced infantry training during initial phases, then they go on to hone on the skills needed for their specific mandate. How is that hard to understand? It is this that makes all SF units adaptable across a wide missions set. So to say that Para SF is the best makes little sense when comparing mandates. They all have their work cut out for them when a two front war comes and it all boils down to the adage 'perform or perish'. I know for fact that all SF units in the country take their mandate very seriously and the men that are in them are absolutely 'fit for service'.

Therefore, while we here keep talking about SSG and others being inferior, the real people who know are too busy training and fighting to win. Regardless of differences in capability or training; rule number 1 of any war is to never underestimate you enemy. They are just as committed to fight.

Philosophy lecture..yawn!
So you have no idea about the school also and you spent time with SF...mmmmm!!!

Why would i have a problem with infantry being praised when my old man was a infantry officer having served with some of the units you talk about.

Infantry wont thrash Para sf but Garuds and marcos which i was reluctant to share.

My friend in ghatak had the privelage of being in CIJWS and HAWS and was in CBS in 2006 or 07 when he had the oppurtunity to train with Garuds in CBS.

I wont share what happened but he wasnt impressed.

You guys have no idea what happens in such schools when the SF from other units come and train.You guys think all the SF go to this school and they become the best when some of them even find it really hard to just survive.At a time when their instructors are Para guys.

The Infantry guys or Para guys train in this school for a deployment..other SF guys train to increase their skill.

Is it hard to get?..One will be practically using the skill..the other would go back to south india and no practise.

ALL marcos dont do HAWS...or desert warfare school.

First get good knowledge about SF,their deployments and training and then you would understand.

 

[rkhanna]

Was this question thrown at me? Anyways, they are a specialized SOF operators of a platoon size attached to every unit, to be precise, in every infantry unit.

Sorry incomplete sentence.

Was just trying to say. Ghatak units are often deputized to do SOF tasking when SF units arnt around. Ghatak's are drawn from regular infantry.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

I am considering writing about category A schools across the country and sharing on the forum.

Most of the guys here dont know the concept of specialised teams inside a unit and their importance.

Such people wont even know why US and Indian Army have the 10th mountain division and how ghataks train for in such divs.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

What makes a SOF unit Special is Tasking pure and simple. Its mode of deployment and what they train for.

Around the world ALL SOF units origin comes from Ordinary Line Infantry units who were asked to do extra-ordinary tasks. When they became successful - a Need for Light Infantry units to do such tasks on a permanent basis (not ad-hoc) was created. Because of tasking they get better Weapons than ordinary infantry.

Using a Parable - What is the difference between an IIT engineer and non IIT. Honestly no difference. Just as a generalization better quality of input results as a better quality of output - same goes for SOF units. This is NOT a rule and tons and tons of exceptions around.



Let this one Go. NOW.



There is a reason why US Navy Seals don't go into battle without a US Army Ranger QRT. There are limitations to everything including growth in Skill. Infantry Skill is not Rocket Science. Comes down do Kinetic Quotient of the soldier and practice practice practice. What makes the difference is employment and footprint. SOF units work for strategic outcomes with small logistic footprints. Infantry are tactical with larger footprints.

Let me ask you something. What is an Infantry Ghatak unit



India has 2 High Altitude Warfare Schools, 1 Jungle Warfare School . ALL services share this resources and all train there.



From my understanding - Jumping in a Blue waters with full combat load includes Personal Kit / Dive Equipment / Zodiacs / Mini Subs.

Jumping in open water is not like land.

0. Jumping over open water has different wind conditions/water conditions to moniter
1. Jumping with load is Dangerous even the best drown. You have manage your ascent from your water, Release of parachute, etc
2. Not All load is strapped on person. You have to recover the rest of your gear could be strewn across few miles of water.
3. Deploy Zodiac or Change into DIve Gear while in water - this is dangerous and difficult AF
4. After finding all your gear and getting sorted you then have to link up with the rest of your team who are themselves strewen over vast open water.
5. Swim/paddle Miles of open water to link up with a vessel or infiltrate land covertly

The above is a mindboggling feet and comes down to training which is long and dangerous.

The Navy's whom i know can do this

1. MARCOS
2. USN SEALS
3. SOKO SEALS
4. SBS
5. French/Italian - One of the two cant remember which one exactly.

2 high altutude
1 jungle warfare for army plus 1 for central police
1 sf school
1 sniper school
1 infantry school near a war college
1 cbs infact its 2 i think
1 siachen school

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Hi, you have mentioned that a number of times on the forum. I think its time you disclose some more details on this, else it is not believable.

He is talking about the Garud deployment under UN blue beret which Indian army infantry units do.

If he adds anything more i challenge him to put photos and i wish to be pleasently surprised.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Why dont you guys show me some Marcos or Garuds with HAWS or CIJWS or Infantry school badges ?

I think its a great idea..we can then see how many guys went there and how many got Instructors rating?

What say @rkhanna and @Immanuel

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Just a question. How can an infantry unit be better than a SF unit. Yes, an infantry unit is good, but aren't SF better trained than them?



And you have the point below. So, what am I missing?

I will explain you.

Look all the outcomes of a battle come down not on who wears the maroon beret but who has the better tactics and upper hand.This with a little bit of motivation can make any regular unit defeat any SF.

What happened in Siachen?SSG any day are better than JAKLI but JAKLI kicked the ass of SSG only because of its motivation and upper hand.

If we put a Para SF squad in chattisgarh forest and ambush it with COBRA what do you think will the outcome be?

In 2009 in Hafruda forests the Para SF lost so many operators because it got ambushed at the wrong time with the terrorists having the upper hand.

No one is invincible!!And such incidents can happen every once in a while but the unit with the better training and experience always comes on top in a war even if it looses some battles.

 

[mayfair]

SSG any day are better than JAKLI

On what basis do you claim this?

 

[Indian Sniper.001]

On what basis do you claim this?

If I'm not wrong, he meant by the training imparted, and in the context that SSG are supposedly a SF unit.