Indian Special Forces (archived)

[Vinod DX9]

Para too can perform most what Marcos can perform (take in a lighter note)

 

[Vinod DX9]

Another pic of Para,whose throat he want to squeeze?

 

[Vinod DX9]

SPG..... Actually,if you are a vvip,they are rather in charge of "Sarbotya Sarttyom Suraksha"!

 

[Vinod DX9]

NSG drill, I guess he has a NV attached to his helmet

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

You are right and i don't contest you.But for me,soldier of RR or Para SF,who risks his life daily in Kashmir is way braver than any other soldier.Experience can never be taught in school or training ground.Right now what i see is lot of photos of training.I remember first time i saw Marcos in full attire n looking deadly,being covered by India Today magazine with lot of photos.That was almost 22 yrs back.And there in Mumbai,it was soldier's spirit that was required.Of course,wisdom of senior officer or officer above him,told otherwise.

Thats right..look i have to be diplomatic many times.Or my list would be like this..

Para SF
GURKHA Ghataks
RR/LOC inf bat ghataks
And then any other SF when it comes to kashmir or north east.

And one dimensional force for its role.

 

[pruthvi24]

Look Marcos,SFF,NSG and Garuds are one dimensional force.Each has their one speciality for which they are the best.

Now what fanboys do is that without thinking they say Marcos is the best because Seal is the best and Marcos are Indian seals...which is bullshit.

Marcos wont last much if we put them in Thar desert as compared to 10 Para.Similarly Garuds would not last long in himalayas as compared to SFF or ITBP.

Same for NSG when you take them out of urban warfare...Marcos could not handle 26/11 and NSG cannot handle maritime warfare.

This is why i say that Para commandos are the only complete SF in India.

They have the best moutain warriors.
The best desert raiders.
The best ex nsg SAG guys.
The best jungle warriors.
And combat divers who can hold their own.

I don't completely agree with you MARCOS went in there Blind they had no floor Plans of Taj Hotel which is like a Palace secondly they were the first ones's who killed terrorists the first night complete was dominated by terrorists the whole country was on its knees the Marcos turned the fight in our favour they went in killed couple terrorists in Taj but they were unprepared for magnitude of operation like Taj hotel they did exceedingly well considering the fact that the media channels were giving live commentary of the operation which can seen by Pakistani handlers who were giving instructions via phone hence it became difficult for them with zero intelligence no floor plan going in blind where your enemy is at an advantage and getting your movements from their handlers even navy seals will have difficulty to take back taj under such circumstances there
take look at this video where MARCOS officer clearly says the terrorists were very familiar with the layout thanks to mahesh bhatt's son's Paki friend David headley. Friends nobody knows what is the capabality of Marcos here let's not undersell or oversell them either
Taking a slight detour from topic here
David also bought dhaga from Siddhi vinayak Mandir for terrorists so that they can project it as Hindu terrorism Zaid Chutia Hamid also said it on TV that all of them are Hindus and if not for martyr tukaram omble who Sacrificed his life & caught kasab alive and also small appreciation for geo news which went into kasab's village and verified our claims 26/11 which compelled Pakistan to accept that Kasab's were there's otherwise it would have been branded as Hindu terrorism.
our intel orgnizations fucked up pretty badly on that day or they were ordered to get fucked by Italian Bitch

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

I don't completely agree with you MARCOS went in there Blind they had no floor Plans of Taj Hotel which is like a Palace secondly they were the first ones's who killed terrorists the first night complete was dominated by terrorists the whole country was on its knees the Marcos turned the fight in our favour they went in killed couple terrorists in Taj but they were unprepared for magnitude of operation like Taj hotel they did exceedingly well considering the fact that the media channels were giving live commentary of the operation which can seen by Pakistani handlers who were giving instructions via phone hence it became difficult for them with zero intelligence no floor plan going in blind where your enemy is at an advantage and getting your movements from their handlers even navy seals will have difficulty to take back taj under such circumstances there
take look at this video where MARCOS officer clearly says the terrorists were very familiar with the layout thanks to mahesh bhatt's son's Paki friend David headley. Friends nobody knows what is the capabality of Marcos here let's not undersell or oversell them either
Taking a slight detour from topic here
David also bought dhaga from Siddhi vinayak Mandir for terrorists so that they can project it as Hindu terrorism Zaid Chutia Hamid also said it on TV that all of them are Hindus and if not for martyr tukaram omble who Sacrificed his life & caught kasab alive and also small appreciation for geo news which went into kasab's village and verified our claims 26/11 which compelled Pakistan to accept that Kasab's were there's otherwise it would have been branded as Hindu terrorism.
our intel orgnizations fucked up pretty badly on that day or they were ordered to get fucked by Italian Bitch

Marcos is not a specialist room intervention unit.And thats what i said.

 

[abingdonboy]

Marcos is not a specialist room intervention unit..

Only unit in India that is is the NSG

 

[Indian Sniper.001]

You are right and i don't contest you.But for me,soldier of RR or Para SF,who risks his life daily in Kashmir is way braver than any other soldier.Experience can never be taught in school or training ground.Right now what i see is lot of photos of training.I remember first time i saw Marcos in full attire n looking deadly,being covered by India Today magazine with lot of photos.That was almost 22 yrs back.And there in Mumbai,it was soldier's spirit that was required.Of course,wisdom of senior officer or officer above him,told otherwise.

You are being very unfair to the MARCOS. MARCOS can operate in any theater, so can Para SF. They are trained to be fearless, to take enemies head-on, to not fail in the given task. But, the question falls down to what they are specially trained for. MARCOS could have totally engaged the terrorists, and eliminate them, but, their tactics are not made for urban warfare, they would have succeeded their mission, but would have taken more casualties, due to their non-urban warfare tactics, and that is unacceptable for any commander. Thus, they had to fall back on NSG who are pro in the said task.
And to add, MARCOS too are involved in COIN operations in J&K, they are trained for that too, so you just can't write them off.

 

[Krusty]

Another pic of Para,whose throat he want to squeeze? View attachment 19848

I don't think that's he meant

 

[Darth Malgus]

You are being very unfair to the MARCOS. MARCOS can operate in any theater, so can Para SF. They are trained to be fearless, to take enemies head-on, to not fail in the given task. But, the question falls down to what they are specially trained for. MARCOS could have totally engaged the terrorists, and eliminate them, but, their tactics are not made for urban warfare, they would have succeeded their mission, but would have taken more casualties, due to their non-urban warfare tactics, and that is unacceptable for any commander. Thus, they had to fall back on NSG who are pro in the said task.
And to add, MARCOS too are involved in COIN operations in J&K, they are trained for that too, so you just can't write them off.

In fact it was the Marcos which saved a lot of people back during 26/11. They were the first responders from Indian Naval Special Forces Base, INS Abhimanyu which was 8km away from Taj and were protecting 100 odd people along with some ministers after morons from NDTV gave up their location. Marcos pushed 2-3 of the terrorists back from Taj after providing supressing fire and forced them to retreat further into the building. They kept the terrorists at bay until the NSG arrived. Not to mention MARCOS have a deadly reputation in Kashmir AKA(Dadhi wala fauj) when they were deployed along the lakes along the LoC which were famous infiltration routes for terrorists.

 

[rkhanna]

MODs alot of rubbish has spammed this thread last couple of pages. possible to clean up


BTW. Reg Marcos. How do you think you assault an Oil Rig and Take down a Ship without CQB. Actually the CQB for MARCOS is FAR FAR tougher. A Ship's walls are made of iron and bullets ricochet the Pasages are narrower. No natural Lighting. 10s of thousands of miles of hiding space, containers etc.

oh for the record MARCOS is one of the only few Naval SOF on the planet that can do a deep sea Jump with a full combat load.

Para SF simply cant do what MARCOS do.

Regarding MARCOS in Mumbai. - THe Gov and CM had NOT AUTHORIZED MILITARY INTERVENTION. the MARCOS Platoon deployed contained the situation in Taj, Set up Surveillance and Gathered Intel, Managed to Funnel the Terrorist away from certain Sections. THEIR TASKING WAS ALWAYS to hold and secure the perimeter nothing more.

Please lets not add mirchmasala for no reason and lets end this nonsense now

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

MODs alot of rubbish has spammed this thread last couple of pages. possible to clean up


BTW. Reg Marcos. How do you think you assault an Oil Rig and Take down a Ship without CQB. Actually the CQB for MARCOS is FAR FAR tougher. A Ship's walls are made of iron and bullets ricochet the Pasages are narrower. No natural Lighting. 10s of thousands of miles of hiding space, containers etc.

oh for the record MARCOS is one of the only few Naval SOF on the planet that can do a deep sea Jump with a full combat load.

Para SF simply cant do what MARCOS do.

Regarding MARCOS in Mumbai. - THe Gov and CM had NOT AUTHORIZED MILITARY INTERVENTION. the MARCOS Platoon deployed contained the situation in Taj, Set up Surveillance and Gathered Intel, Managed to Funnel the Terrorist away from certain Sections. THEIR TASKING WAS ALWAYS to hold and secure the perimeter nothing more.

Please lets not add mirchmasala for no reason and lets end this nonsense now

Bullshit...Maharastra govt called the Indian Army and asked if it had any commandos stationed nearby as the situation is getting out of control to which the GOC replied that there are no Para commandos deployed in Maharastra and he should ask the Navy for Marine Commandos.

MARCOS arrived and saw the situation is beyond their capability because of the numbers they had was very less.

Soon they got in holding them rather than trying to kill them.

NSG came and took charge and the Marcos were giving interview with gunfight on the background.

No one said Marcos cannot do deep sea diving...what i said was its a one dimensional force and cannot compete in desert and high altitude warfare..not wular lake which most of you wont know is a plain area when compared to other parts of the valley.

If Marcos was such a CQB specialist then NSG wouldnt have been stretched at three places.

Marcos is best with all things water and can hold their own in urban warfare..comments like they can operate anywhere and do anything is childish.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Only unit in India that is is the NSG

True..only unit with the mandate.Only unit with the elite training and logistics to do it.Only unit to do cqb drills all day.

And only unit with the best weapons and equipment to do it.

If my brain had no logic i would also say that NSG has Army guys and is the best mountain warrior special force which is the Marcos logic people give here on the forum.

Or that Para sf is as good as SPG in providing security to VIPs since they protect their GOCs..

 

[Project Dharma]

True..only unit with the mandate.Only unit with the elite training and logistics to do it.Only unit to do cqb drills all day.

And only unit with the best weapons and equipment to do it.

If my brain had no logic i would also say that NSG has Army guys and is the best mountain warrior special force which is the Marcos logic people give here on the forum.

Or that Para sf is as good as SPG in providing security to VIPs since they protect their GOCs..

Even NSG tactics during Mumbai were heavily criticized by Israel media specifically the way they were coming down from the chopper, how long it took to neutralize targets and how an NSG commando was returning fire from behind cover. They were basically saying that Israeli forces would have been much more effecient had we accepted their offer for help.

Then all the articles got mysteriously deleted after Indian media started blaming Israel of being ungrateful.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Even NSG tactics during Mumbai were heavily criticized by Israel media specifically the way they were coming down from the chopper, how long it took to neutralize targets and how an NSG commando was returning fire from behind cover. They were basically saying that Israeli forces would have been much more effecient had we accepted their offer for help.

Then all the articles got mysteriously deleted after Indian media started blaming Israel of being ungrateful.

Look pre 26/11 our SF were not in their best from training to equipments.

It took a 26/11 to wake up the generals and the politicians and now the things have changed.

Having said that i think the NSG gave its best and the outcome was the best from the point they came in.

If you still search for the pics of the operation you would feel sorry for the operator with the kind of gear he had.

Coming down from helicopter is not a big issue in this as all it matters is that u reach down safe...many a times US SF have got such accidents.

 

[sthf]

@Project Dharma NSG was criticised by former NSG officers too. NSG because of government apathy and it's own institutional incompetence failed to update their playbook which is why they have gone through retraining and equipment modernization.

Mind you, Porki handlers of Kasab and company expected a panic stricken response from government and security forces and they were proven right. On the other hand, they expected a swift response from Danish security forces when they were planning the attack on the newspaper which published the cartoon.

 

[rkhanna]

Bullshit...Maharastra govt called the Indian Army and asked if it had any commandos stationed nearby as the situation is getting out of control to which the GOC replied that there are no Para commandos deployed in Maharastra and he should ask the Navy for Marine Commandos.

MARCOS arrived and saw the situation is beyond their capability because of the numbers they had was very less.

Soon they got in holding them rather than trying to kill them.

NSG came and took charge and the Marcos were giving interview with gunfight on the background.

No one said Marcos cannot do deep sea diving...what i said was its a one dimensional force and cannot compete in desert and high altitude warfare..not wular lake which most of you wont know is a plain area when compared to other parts of the valley.

If Marcos was such a CQB specialist then NSG wouldnt have been stretched at three places.

Marcos is best with all things water and can hold their own in urban warfare..comments like they can operate anywhere and do anything is childish.

1. Maharashtra Govt Cannot order any Indian Military Unit to do squat. only MOD can. MARCOS and TA were deployed for containment before MHA deployed NSG.

- THe situation was not beyond their capability. It was beyond their Capacity. Know the difference.

- 51 SAG / 52 SAG is the only unit capable of being Stretched in 3 directions

- MARCOS was redeployed across the City to Secure High Value Installations belonging to the military once NSG was on the scene.

- Regarding Interviews, et, al please quote context otherwise its a pointless moot point

2. Who said MARCOS is a CQB specialist more than NSG. but for you to say they have no CQB skills suffers on the point of stupidity. - MARCOS however does not Practice Hostage Rescue. CQB is onething HRT is a whole different ball game. AGAIN know the difference.

3. Who said anything about Marcos operating anywhere and doing anything ? Irony is that you created this hypothesis and are trying to to dispute it.

4. MARCOS is as one dimensional as the Paras or NSG or the Garuds or the SG. Defining dimension is a matter of perspective. Everybody is crossed trained in everything else but everybody has speciality in some over others. Difference lies in Tasking, and experience.

 

[Indian Sniper.001]

MARCOS is as one dimensional as the Paras or NSG or the Garuds or the SG. Defining dimension is a matter of perspective. Everybody is crossed trained in everything else but everybody has speciality in some over others. Difference lies in Tasking, and experience.

That was my point, they are trained for all theaters of operation, but their specialization is in one theater, otherwise there would be no need for specialization of forces. But, it doesn't mean that they can't operate in a non-specialized sphere, its just that their tactics is unsuitable for it and possibilities of suffering casualties would be higher.

 

[sum1]

oh for the record MARCOS is one of the only few Naval SOF on the planet that can do a deep sea Jump with a full combat load.

Am curious what is special requirement here( am assuming most countries can procure the required eqpt and will have men with the required skills even if few in number) which other countries cannot replicate and only a few countries forces can do?