Indian Special Forces (archived)

[Darth Malgus]

For What is worth

The Haqanni network was the most organized, best equipped, trained and led Light Infantry the US Military has ever faced. For more insights suggest reading a Book called Outlaw Platoon.

Pound for Pound the SSG is a very very decent SOF unit and I have yet to meet an Indian Army Soldier who takes them lightly.

US soldiers faced a lot of trouble clearing Taliban from the mountains, without decent suppressive fire of an Artillery barrage, its very difficult to dislodge trained light infantry from hilly terrain. Airforce unfortunately is less effective in such a terrain. I also heard that the FC provided a lot of manpower to the Haqani network and US soldiers often found FC id cards among the dead Talibs.

 

[WARREN SS]

@WARREN SS

If you want to discuss ISI, Soviets in Afghanistan, feel free to open a new thread. ISI is not SSG. Do not shift the goal posts.

Yes they are just like SG operators

ISi has SSU unit made up of vetran SSG operators

Its operational in both Kashmir and Afghanistan

Most of of the attacks you see in Kashmir carried out by these operators or organized

 

[sum1]

No they weren't. You are confusing political defeat with a military one. Also, the only thing SSG as an organization is good at is helping terrified and desperate Porkis sleep at night.

http://www.defensenews.com/global/2...nders-recount-bloody-battles-against-jihadis/

What kind of "special force" loses 780 guys in two years against a rag tag group of terrorists, a ridicoulously shitty kind.

Is this a true number? 800 SSG KIA for a 5000 strong force?

 

[WARREN SS]

@WARREN SS I would suggest that you do the same. Both US and Indian SF casualties are out in the open for everyone to see. It is a textbook case of false equivalence. A ≠ B.

http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries/india/database/indiafatalities.htm

Pakistan lost more "special forces" than India lost underequipped, underpaid regular cops in 5 years.

State and Central Police are fighting Naxals not Para SF. You need to make up your mind. Either SSG is a top notch SOF or is it a police force like Chattisgarh or J&K police?

Pakistan loses more forces because they are facing heavy vetran militias of taliban

And facing more heavy type insurgency that India faces in Kashmir

By Afghan mujhadeens who ran from Afghanistan and came to Pakistan tribal areas after US invasion

I am just adding up rational the facts to the table

Para SF too suffered casualties by Kashmir militias which are cheap proxies

Numbers add up to over 100+ operators officially from 1990-2017
That excluded coverts Ops by the SFF & SG

We have lost lot of officers in attacks to military installations as well

India has efficient mechanism to tackle insurgency due to our resources and no religeous fundamentalism setup.

Pakistan's are victims of there own fundamentalism and fanaticism

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Check Out the Casualties Of US SF's in Afghanistan as well

Also Check u How many Indian SF's Lost there life's in Kashmir Insurgency

I am sure Numbers will Not Make you proud

How About Rag Tag ill equipped Naxals Have you seen seer Numbers of casualties of Out security forces by what you called shitty guerrilla's


Only thing You are confused Is about Understanding My argument

I said ISI and Its military Wing SSU Has organised Afghan insurgency Against A super power And Might of KGB Americans were just funder but Pakistan Introduced concept of Cheap proxy Jihadi insurgency to world

Check out how many casualties these Rag tag militia's caused them Even though they are not professional Army Establishment

Kindly post Indian SF casualties in Kashmir.No CRPF..No Police..No RR..No kargil.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Pakistan loses more forces because they are facing heavy vetran militias of taliban

And facing more heavy type insurgency than India faces in Kashmir

By Afghan mujhadeens who ran from Afghanistan and came to Pakistan tribal areas after US invasion

I am just adding up rational facts to the table

Para SF too suffered casualties in by Kashmir militias which cheap proxies

Numbers add up to over 100+ operators officially from 1990-2017
That excluded coverts Ops by the SFF & SG

We half lost lot officers in attacks to military installations as well

India has efficient mechanism to tackle insurgency due to our resources and no religeous setup.

Pakistan's are victims of there own fundamentalism and fanaticism

Numbers dont exculde SG.They are in the open.

The situation in Kashmir was so bad in the early 90s that IA considered using BMPs and gunships and there were terrorists camps inside kashmir.

Afghans were the same Pakistan is fighting now with the same weapons and tactics excluding new ied techniques.

Today you see some wannabes with Aks posing on FB only because the real mujahids were all killed in the 90s or are killed coming in the valley.

Officers are mostly the casualty unlike PA because our men lead from the front.

There was a saying in UN headquaters in africa where both Indian and Pakistani armies were deployed which was like..Indian officers and Pakistani soldiers would make the best army.

If what you claim about SSG is true than why doesnt your SSG have even one operation against us to brag about.

Because as far as i know each and everytime they tried to do something our Infantry boys were more than a match for them.

SSGs famous operations:-
65 surrender
84 defeat in siachen
Surrender in front of taliban
Lal masjid
No big operation along loc even by the so called BAT that resulted on any tactical advantage what so ever.

And i am not inculding the intentional killing of children as claimed by a former ssg operator.

 

[sthf]

Is this a true number? 800 SSG KIA for a 5000 strong force?

Straight from the horse's mouth, commander of the SSG. Funny thing is that he was actually bragging that he lost this many troops.

Post Zia mentality is at play here. "We welcome death" is taught as a part of "toughening up" in Tarbela.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

By the way Bangladesh Para commandos are no less capable than anyone.In this article a senior Indian Army officer rates them over Pak.

http://m.bdnews24.com/en/detail/bangladesh/1310395

Unlike the Pakistan army, which goes berserk when hit or under fire, the Bangladesh soldiers and their commanders have displayed a very cool head under adversity," said Mukherjee, a veteran of the 1971 war

 

[Jay99]

Few of this CRPF guys have been deputated with the NSG check at 4.39 & 18:39

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Few of this CRPF guys have been deputated with the NSG check at 4.39 & 18:39

Ya its SRG.There were talks of 1 SRG to be made SAG.

 

[sthf]

Numbers add up to over 100+ operators officially from 1990-2017
That excluded coverts Ops by the SFF & SG

FFS man, stop digging yourself in a hole. This is not the conversation where you will end up on top.

100+ casualties in 27 years against 800 in 2. Are you kidding me that comparison? And yes SG casualties are very much recorded. Go through the thread and you'll find them all. Hell, we know most of our SF casualties by their name, rank, face and family, from Maj. Udai Singh to Lance Naik Goswami etc.

For your own sake man, take a day or two off to cool down, regroup and stick to Indian SF.

 

[aditya g]

Ya its SRG.There were talks of 1 SRG to be made SAG.

Which is the SRG badge? I don't see the regular NSG badge there?

@WARREN SS , take @sthf advice.

 

[WARREN SS]

Kindly post Indian SF casualties in Kashmir.No CRPF..No Police..No RR..No kargil.

If you compile number of years it will go above hundred

Exculding covert Ops

Officially figures are not released

But if you visit there regimental centre

You will find there matyr or balidaan samarak where you find name and rank of the fallen ones

 

[WARREN SS]

FFS man, stop digging yourself in a hole. This is not the conversation where you will end up on top.

100+ casualties in 27 years against 800 in 2. Are you kidding me that comparison? And yes SG casualties are very much recorded. Go through the thread and you'll find them all. Hell, we know most of our SF casualties by their name, rank, face and family, from Maj. Udai Singh to Lance Naik Goswami etc.

For your own sake man, take a day or two off to cool down, regroup and stick to Indian SF.

Most of them. I posted my self including the letter of commander of SG to major uday Singh family in Delhi

But there is no official separate list release of casualties of SF by army

If you ever visited a regimental centre of any battalion of SF

You will find balidaan samarak there

SF operatives are listed there with name and ranks who are matyred during Ops

Many of them you find.never known

You will also find trophies there of various raids by SF into enemy territory

My intention is not to compare SFs as there operational roles and structure are very different

I only pointed you that enemy is also same human as we are and it has tendency to show courage against all odds.They have shown there bravery against us in many wars in some instances it was Indian army which recognized there Acts of valor because Indian army is institution with high standards

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

If you compile number of years it will go above hundred

Exculding covert Ops

Officially figures are not released

But if you visit there regimental centre

You will find there matyr or balidaan samarak where you find name and rank of the fallen ones

Still not close to a thousand in 2 years like SSG.So for 27 years 100 and something operators or even 200 is not as much as SSG has.

SSG also has air support and tank support many times by the way.Infil and Exfil is via helis mostly.

Our boys have no air support and tank support..infil and exfil is by foot.

And you would know better how superior the SSG has been equipped until as recent as 2012 as compared to Para SF.

And yeah..NO SURRENDER BY PARA SF AGAINST ANYONE UNTIL THIS DATE.

DEATH BEFORE DISHONOUR...very unlike SSG.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Most of them. I posted my self including the letter of commander of SG to major uday Singh family in Delhi

But there is no official separate list release of casualties of SF by army

If you ever visited a regimental centre of any battalion of SF

You will find balidaan samarak there

SF operatives are listed there with name and ranks who are matyred during Ops

Many of them you find.never known

You will also find trophies there of various raids by SF into enemy territory

My intention is not to compare SFs as there operational roles and structure are very different

I only pointed you that enemy is also same human as we are and it has tendency to show courage against all odds.They have shown there bravery against us in many wars in some instances it was Indian army which recognized there Acts of valor because Indian army is institution with high standards

Please provide me the links to where the SSG has has shown valor and changed the game at theatre level against India.

For you the SSG will be humans..but for me a unit which trains terrorists to kill innocents in Mumbai and kills its own children in schools as claimed by their own operator can only be filthy pests.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Which is the SRG badge? I don't see the regular NSG badge there?

@WARREN SS , take @sthf advice.

NSG gives only one badge..the trident one under the right chest.

 

[sum1]

Straight from the horse's mouth, commander of the SSG. Funny thing is that he was actually bragging that he lost this many troops.

Post Zia mentality is at play here. "We welcome death" is taught as a part of "toughening up" in Tarbela.

Pakis love to inflate figures to show how much they have sacrificed and lost ( like how they go around claiming 100000 casualities in war on terror and so being a victim).

So not sure if the guy is bragging or trying to gain sympathy since 800 in 2 years seems too huge for any sort of SF

 

[Indian Sniper.001]

Pakis love to inflate figures to show how much they have sacrificed and lost ( like how they go around claiming 100000 casualities in war on terror and so being a victim).

So not sure if the guy is bragging or trying to gain sympathy since 800 in 2 years seems too huge for any sort of SF

And yet they don't accept casualties on the border.

 

[rkhanna]

IMO SG losses show up in the parent unit of the operator. But can't confirm.