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rkhanna

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Modern headset designs allow for integration onto the helmet via the accessory rails. These headsets also provide protection against shrapnel although they're not exactly bulletproof. They also help dampen the sound of gunfire/explosions...preventing the user from getting hearing problems (common issue for operators who spend a lot of time under fire).
Well given the fact the evolution of this type of helmet was specifically for Integrating superior Comms - if our Powers that be do not bring in the comm sets into regular kits the whole point of "FAST" helmet is defeated.

Sniper is just a role IMO.
And therefore any rifle employed in the role qualifies for the term.
PARA(SF) have the Galatz rifles, PKMs, Negevs and whole lot of other goodies to rip the Jehadis a new a**hole.
Yes and no. While in common civilian parlance a Sniper is anybody who shoots from hiding / far away at unaware targets is a sniper. in Strict Military Parlance a Sniper is a Strategic Tool deployed at theater level.

A Designated Marksmen is a tactical Fire support tool deployed at a Battalion Level.

While two look similar . they are far from it. and Hence KIT is critical. the Galatz is a mediocre DMR at best. It is underpowered and that restricts its operational range. as a Sniper Rifle it is at the lower end of the spectrum. But it is highly reliable.

However for SOF units its true worth comes in its folding stock avatar which makes jumping from Airplanes far easier.

Any word on the so-called "Phantom Unit" of the NSG?

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I could be wrong. The information i have been given is highly mixed. But IMO there is no such thing as a "Phantom Unit" . Its a grade of Competence. The top 10% of Operators are internally Designated as "Phantom".

Is it just me or NSG is the most successful SF unit of India :notsure:

@rkhanna what is the training process of NSG
Most successful. As an Urban CT/HRT unit yes. Army SF has been in the thick since formation. SFF won battler honors in Kargil, Siachen and 1971. MARCOS had a fantastic outing in SriLanka and the Maldives Coup. Not to mention the anti-piracy missions.

RR as an all encompassing COIN unit is Highly Successful.

Basically my point is you are comparing apples to oranges.

But as far as Apples goes there are Few Global CT/HRT units who have been as successful or have as much Experience as NSG. Their "Apples" Contempraries are

FBI HRT
GSG-9
GIGN/RAID
SSG-BlackStorks
Japanese SAT
SAS-CRW
Alpha/OMON

And amongst the Above NSG holds its head high. Very High

On Training - Post Selection - SAG operatives typically undergo 14 month Training at Manesar. Of the 14 months 90 days is basic training - concentrating on bringing up their shooting proficiency. Post 90 days more complex room intervation training is taught. Room Clearing/Relfex shooting as a Single Shooter, Buddy Team, as a Hit and then with multiple Hits. During this time Members are ear marked as Assaulters and Snipers and each set go on for their own Advance Training. But an Assaulter needs to be profficient enough to fill the spot of a Sniper and Vice Versa incase of an emergency.

Then when they got assigned 51 or 52 SAG (I think an SRG unit converted to 3rd SAG unit but can't confirm) they undergo further Specialty Training. Anti-Hijacking, UDT,

Outside of Shooting (duh!), their training involves recognizing explosives, Lock-picking, Vehicle Movement, Spending time at airports - learning everything about airplanes and Airport logistic operations, etc, Sensitive Site Exploitation/Evidence Collection (As their handling of evidence is critical to other Federal Law enforcement case building)



PS - Apologies for the Crap Spelling and Grammar.
 

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Para qualified, Missile operator, Balidaan which means SF qualified and served in ops area, and SG.

Cant identify the one on the bottom at his left chest.
Looks very similar to seal trident.... Confusing..

My guess combat free falling badge...

But he is a badass.... Beret would have been more cool.

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SSG are good And Successful in there area of operation Please Don't generalize

There Operations in Cold war were legendary And counter terror ops against Taliban

What Ruin them is to much of there Beliefs in religious fanaticism And there racial superiority Theory
Sir, I am not sure if you have heard about Battle for Point 3234 in Afghanistan, where Russian 39 Spetsnaz from 9th Company killed 250 SSG Commandos in disguise as Mujahidin.
 

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Sir, I am not sure if you have heard about Battle for Point 3234 in Afghanistan, where Russian 39 Spetsnaz from 9th Company killed 250 SSG Commandos in disguise as Mujahidin.
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5-10 SSG special unit commandos rest are Mujaheddin militias And Russians are of 345th Guards Airborne Regiment
what Was the end result Of Russian war in Afghanistan ???


ISI successfully created Taliban and destroyed soviet main forces in Guerrilla warfare target military installation

From there they learn how to use Proxy's

the Largest SSG casualties to date is Siachin war which over 250+
 
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Para qualified, Missile operator, Balidaan which means SF qualified and served in ops area, and SG.

Cant identify the one on the bottom at his left chest.
What is the round thing on his right side never seen that before
 

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There are
5-10 SSG special unit commandos rest are Mujaheddin militias And Russians are of 345th Guards Airborne Regiment
what Was the end result Of Russian war in Afghanistan ???


ISI successfully created Taliban and destroyed soviet main forces in Guerrilla warfare target military installation

From there they learn how to use Proxy's

the Largest SSG casualties to date is Siachin war which over 250+
Sir, thats what drives Pakistan Army thinking that they have defeated Soviet Union. Soviet Union just came to prevent overthrowing of Afghan Government. And Pakistan couldn't have done anything without any funds from USA. If I am right Soviet Union themselves decided to retreat from Afghanistan. If they wanted, they could have easily flatten entire militias in Afghanistan.
 

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Sir, thats what drives Pakistan Army thinking that they have defeated Soviet Union. Soviet Union just came to prevent overthrowing of Afghan Government. And Pakistan couldn't have done anything without any funds from USA. If I am right Soviet Union themselves decided to retreat from Afghanistan. If they wanted, they could have easily flatten entire militias in Afghanistan.
The delusional Pakis think they defeated Russians because of their military tactics which is totally false the fact is Pakis had US Saudi backing with money CIA tactics and afghans who were willing to die i once saw a BBC documentary on Pakistan where taliban fighter claimed that a terrorist org requires 3 important things
1)A place for hiding before or after attacking
2)Medical facility to treat injured
3)continuous supply of weapons & ammunition.
Pakistan only provided safe place for sure and medical treatment to some extent tactics and weapon was all CIA and its allies.
the reason why soviets retreated because they were bleeding pretty badly and a superpower was hounding it on a daily basis its the same tactic that they are using against USA now.
 

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Sir, thats what drives Pakistan Army thinking that they have defeated Soviet Union. Soviet Union just came to prevent overthrowing of Afghan Government. And Pakistan couldn't have done anything without any funds from USA. If I am right Soviet Union themselves decided to retreat from Afghanistan. If they wanted, they could have easily flatten entire militias in Afghanistan.
If It was easy It Will be the first action they opted But they are in the same situation Like US facing today in afganistan
What ISI did is armed and trained over 100,000 insurgents between 1978 and 1992

KGB was out matched they underestimated them
 

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There are
5-10 SSG special unit commandos rest are Mujaheddin militias And Russians are of 345th Guards Airborne Regiment
what Was the end result Of Russian war in Afghanistan ???


ISI successfully created Taliban and destroyed soviet main forces in Guerrilla warfare target military installation

From there they learn how to use Proxy's

the Largest SSG casualties to date is Siachin war which over 250+
Bro,have you seen the video of SSG surrender in front of taliban?

AFAIK,only SF whose operatives have surrendered multiple times is SSG.

I am not saying that they cannot have a successful operation.I am only saying that their record is the worst for any SF unit worth its salt.

What has been their role in LOC except sniping or head hunting of our 2 soldiers multiple times..is this what SF is raised for?

Our Para SF has so many successful raids on LOC to claim as trophies of its bravery and skill.
 

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There are
5-10 SSG special unit commandos rest are Mujaheddin militias And Russians are of 345th Guards Airborne Regiment
what Was the end result Of Russian war in Afghanistan ???


ISI successfully created Taliban and destroyed soviet main forces in Guerrilla warfare target military installation

From there they learn how to use Proxy's

the Largest SSG casualties to date is Siachin war which over 250+
SSG lost hundreds of its operators while clearing taliban.
 

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What kind of "special force" loses 780 guys in two years against a rag tag group of terrorists, a ridicoulously shitty kind.
Check Out the Casualties Of US SF's in Afghanistan as well

Also Check u How many Indian SF's Lost there life's in Kashmir Insurgency

I am sure Numbers will Not Make you proud

How About Rag Tag ill equipped Naxals Have you seen seer Numbers of casualties of Out security forces by what you called shitty guerrilla's

No they weren't. You are confusing political defeat with a military one. Also, the only thing SSG as an organization is good at is helping terrified and desperate Porkis sleep at night.
Only thing You are confused Is about Understanding My argument

I said ISI and Its military Wing SSU Has organised Afghan insurgency Against A super power And Might of KGB Americans were just funder but Pakistan Introduced concept of Cheap proxy Jihadi insurgency to world

Check out how many casualties these Rag tag militia's caused them Even though they are not professional Army Establishment
 
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@WARREN SS I would suggest that you do the same. Both US and Indian SF casualties are out in the open for everyone to see. It is a textbook case of false equivalence. A ≠ B.

http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries/india/database/indiafatalities.htm

Pakistan lost more "special forces" than India lost underequipped, underpaid regular cops in 5 years.

State and Central Police are fighting Naxals not Para SF. You need to make up your mind. Either SSG is a top notch SOF or is it a police force like Chattisgarh or J&K police?
 

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@WARREN SS

If you want to discuss ISI, Soviets in Afghanistan, feel free to open a new thread. ISI is not SSG. Do not shift the goal posts.
 

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For What is worth

The Haqanni network was the most organized, best equipped, trained and led Light Infantry the US Military has ever faced. For more insights suggest reading a Book called Outlaw Platoon.

Pound for Pound the SSG is a very very decent SOF unit and I have yet to meet an Indian Army Soldier who takes them lightly.
 

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The entire force of SSG is only around 6000 strong, loosing 800+ operators in 2 years only means they have almost lost an operative every two days. That's like loosing the cream of your forces. No doubt they bare capable but it seems due to the under performance of their regular soldiers, PA has been forced to use the SSG like a regular unit ending up with huge causalities.
 
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