Indian Special Forces (archived)

[Indian Sniper.001]

One more division which was in all the wrong news recently TSD of Gen VKS.. i think TSD is also eliminated ....

Bhai, TSD is the Indian equivalent of BAT, right?

 

[captscooby81]

No idea what TSD is the right persons in this forum to tell about TSD are @rkhanna @Immanuel if they wish to enlighten the mango people here what this division was doing under Gen VKS that it created so much pressure in the political class to shut it down saying its illegal and unauthorised by RM..

Bhai, TSD is the Indian equivalent of BAT, right?

 

[Vinod DX9]

Indian Air Force's Garud Commandos
The left one has a C-TAR and the right one (SNIPER) is wearing a ghillie suit and has Israeli made Galatz Sniper with Nimrod telescope 6 x 40 , Harris adjustable bipod and silencer

 

[rkhanna]

Come On Ground They Proven themselves better than Para SF and Garud in CQB

Considering that cqb comprises 90% of nsg training they better be more proficiently at it than other. Except maybe ships. That's Marcos domain.

No idea what TSD is the right persons in this forum to tell about TSD are @rkhanna @Immanuel if they wish to enlighten the mango people here what this division was doing under Gen VKS that it created so much pressure in the political class to shut it down saying its illegal and unauthorised by RM..

TSD or technical services/support division. Was a special mission intelligence unit under vk Singh. They used specialized sigint and humint to do targeted strikes against jihadi c&c in kashmir and across the border. Operators from 9 Para and sg were seconded to them for the offensive bits. It was completely covert and black.

Some of biggest legends of the special forces and intelligence community helped form this unit.

During the vk singh scandal the unit was made a scapegoat and its officers met with severe reprisals from Mod. One was send to siachen to manage inventory. One commit suicide and his family was harassed . Similar types of crap fates met the others.

All of the above is public knowledge. The insurancy in jk started up exactly the same time the unit was shut down. They even had the hc and other jk politics s by the balls.

Now a similar fate is happening to SS shekhawat of 21 Para.

 

[rkhanna]

Lastly. Please don't confuse any Indian unit with a piece of shit concept like BAT.

BATS are mixed ssg and jihadi units that do shallow raids to hit Indian patrols.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Sirji, - 21Para will work with SFF if it comes to a Conflict.

The Tibetians in exile are now a part of the Indian National Fabric and are here to stay - Till the time they can be part of the free Tibet they continue to serve their adopted country with great pride and loyalty.

Their advantage comes is in the fact that alot of them still have families in Tibet.

As for any problems. The SFF has been in existance since 1962 and has been part of every conflict India has been in. While they got pittance from the govt and were often forgotten in peacetime they have continued to soldier on
humbly and very ably.

Keep in mind that India also employs a vast number of Nepali origin Soldiers as well.


NSG? - is a Civilian CT/HRT unit. They have no mandate in war. They are a policing unit. Like GSG-9. Should stay as such.

I dont think Free Tibet has any future as long as China doesnt breakup like the Soviet Union.So,if the motive is to keep a foregn legion who will serve us in war then its good coz the day they become Al qaida to USA in late 80 we are done.

NSG..well i was suggesting a unit in the lines of NSG SAG having all the best operators but with a different mandate.Purely for surgical strike is simpler terms.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Come On Ground They Proven themselves better than Para SF and Garud in CQB

After Para SF units NSG is the one with the most experience.A lot of their operators are PARA SF hence they have to be the best.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Let me clarify a few things..

No one is asking for the disbanding of SFF but restructuring it to be a Super Para comprising of the best operators from all Para SF units..Giving them a new command structure like the NSG SAG and keeping their strength to 150 commandos..

30 for POK
30 for China
30 for Rest of the world(piracy to saving some kings ass)
60 reserve

Now the Tibetans should be in the support element for psyops just like JakLI soldiers assist RR units in Kashmir.

All the Para SF units or Ghataks can support them but these can be elite of the elite in the IA.

We can easily buy 150 Fast helmets,superior NVGs,body armour,HF sets etc etc etc and atleast have one unit which is equipped like the best of the best from anywhere around the world.

Right now the situation is that some news channels claim they dont have adequate parachutes,a big scandal happened few years ago,no one really knows what goes on with their deployments with people assuming everything from their fanboy fantasies.

The fact of the matter is that Para SF conducted the..cross border raids in Burma and POK..took part in Kargil and Lanka...Op rakhsak everyone knows special ops are synonymous with 9 Para...with pics to prove of every operation also.

I would trust a Indian man or a woman with the most lethal punch the country throws.

 

[Immanuel]

SFF for many reasons won't be reorganized much, we have to think of them similar in role as the SAD of the CIA and Green berets.

Secondly, people need to stop thinking of 'those Tibetans' exactly as Tibetans, they are as Indian as they come. Tibet might as well be an integral part of India.

 

[mayfair]

One more division which was in all the wrong news recently TSD of Gen VKS.. i think TSD is also eliminated ....

I think gurus can confirm, but if recent reports are to be believed, reading between the lines I would hazard a guess that both TSD and Ikhwaani are back, albeit in a naya avataar.

 

[rkhanna]

SFF for many reasons won't be reorganized much, we have to think of them similar in role as the SAD of the CIA and Green berets.

Secondly, people need to stop thinking of 'those Tibetans' exactly as Tibetans, they are as Indian as they come. Tibet might as well be an integral part of India.

Amen..............................................................................

 

[rkhanna]

AFAIK TSD in its original avtar continues to be stood down.

Ikhwaniis in their originial avatar also will be hard to bring back. - Simply because of the betrayal they got from the State and Central govt.

Ikhwanis were former Jihadis who were turned into a pro-India Paramilitary Unit. and They got burnt bad. Their Identities got leaked and Nobody came to their aid when Jihadis started torturing and killing their families.

What was left of the Ikhwani program morphed into what we call today J&K SOG.

That being said. Spy Vs Spy is very much on in Kashmir. We are still getting Jihadis to sell each other out in their interal power struggles.

 

[Bornubus]

For Kargil Vijai diwas

Parachute regiment and ops (not a complete list)

5 Para Airborne - pt 5300 pt 5203

6 Para Airborne and 1 Para SF - pt 4745

7 Para Airborne - pt 4700

10 Para SF - in support to the ops in securing an important feature khalubar

9 Para SF - Zulu spur - another important feature which dominate across LoC

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9 Para SF with a dead Pakistani soldier. The winter gear still remains the same (to some extent) at high altitude posting such as - Koflach mountaineering Boots

 

[ALBY]

Let me clarify a few things..

No one is asking for the disbanding of SFF but restructuring it to be a Super Para comprising of the best operators from all Para SF units..Giving them a new command structure like the NSG SAG and keeping their strength to 150 commandos..

30 for POK
30 for China
30 for Rest of the world(piracy to saving some kings ass)
60 reserve

Now the Tibetans should be in the support element for psyops just like JakLI soldiers assist RR units in Kashmir.

All the Para SF units or Ghataks can support them but these can be elite of the elite in the IA.

We can easily buy 150 Fast helmets,superior NVGs,body armour,HF sets etc etc etc and atleast have one unit which is equipped like the best of the best from anywhere around the world.

Right now the situation is that some news channels claim they dont have adequate parachutes,a big scandal happened few years ago,no one really knows what goes on with their deployments with people assuming everything from their fanboy fantasies.

The fact of the matter is that Para SF conducted the..cross border raids in Burma and POK..took part in Kargil and Lanka...Op rakhsak everyone knows special ops are synonymous with 9 Para...with pics to prove of every operation also.

I would trust a Indian man or a woman with the most lethal punch the country throws.

Isn't SG already there to do the same job?

 

[rkhanna]

5 Para Airborne - pt 5300 pt 5203

6 Para Airborne and 1 Para SF - pt 4745

7 Para Airborne - pt 4700

10 Para SF - in support to the ops in securing an important feature khalubar

9 Para SF - Zulu spur - another important feature which dominate across LoC

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9 Para SF with a dead Pakistani soldier. The winter gear still remains the same (to some extent) at high altitude posting such as - Koflach mountaineering Boots

You left out the ops done across the border in Kargil to hit Paki Supply chains

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

Isn't SG already there to do the same job?

No..they are China centric with some deployments in Kashmir mostly in Leh and Ladakh and sometimes Siachen.

The Para brigade stationed at Agra is responsible for International ops.

To the best of my knowledge SFF or SG doesnt even do ops against NE militants.

 

[COLDHEARTED AVIATOR]

For Kargil Vijai diwas

Parachute regiment and ops (not a complete list)

5 Para Airborne - pt 5300 pt 5203

6 Para Airborne and 1 Para SF - pt 4745

7 Para Airborne - pt 4700

10 Para SF - in support to the ops in securing an important feature khalubar

9 Para SF - Zulu spur - another important feature which dominate across LoC

====================


9 Para SF with a dead Pakistani soldier. The winter gear still remains the same (to some extent) at high altitude posting such as - Koflach mountaineering Boots

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Hats off to their bravery

And

What a stupid decision by the Generals.

They just ignore the SF in 80s and 90s assuming tanks will win us the wars and then there is a war where no tanks are there..so they make SF a glorified Inf Bat.

In the Army they say...Arty ka chief aya he Arty ka kaam karega...Armd ka chief aya he Armd ka kaam karega...lekin Inf ka chief Inf ka kabhi koi kaam nhi karta

 

[Bornubus]

You left out the ops done across the border in Kargil to hit Paki Supply chains

Above is only selected ops not a detailed Post. Speaking of supply route one of the task assigned to 10 Para SF was to dispurt Pak army supplies to Khalubar.

 

[Bornubus]

Hats off to their bravery

And

What a stupid decision by the Generals.

They just ignore the SF in 80s and 90s assuming tanks will win us the wars and then there is a war where no tanks are there..so they make SF a glorified Inf Bat.

In the Army they say...Arty ka chief aya he Arty ka kaam karega...Armd ka chief aya he Armd ka kaam karega...lekin Inf ka chief Inf ka kabhi koi kaam nhi karta

I guess Indian SF doctrine or SF in general was still evolving in the 80s (except few Battalion)

 

[Kazah]

I guess Indian SF doctrine or SF in general was still evolving in the 80s (except few Battalion)

Just wondering what's the truth behind pt 5353 which pakis claim that they still hold. Can u plz tell the truth ?