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rkhanna

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Pathankot and one incident with a heli crash at a naxal operation is not a very good record on how a SF team should have performed.

There is no way a team of SF should get pinned down by jihadists trained for only a few month.There is no way in a naxal operation you leave other HUMANS to die and worry about only AF people.
Didnt understand - When did Garud get pinned down? Pathankhot?

In Pathankhot they engaged the terrorist (first after the DSC) and as per their orders their held their line and prevented any jihadi from entering and threatening the capital assets of the base. They NEVER went offensive against the Jihadis. The moment QRT and other forces arrived on scene they retreated further tightening the defence ring around the capital Assets. They did their job to the Letter T. Infact it was because of their action that the Jihads were forced to go into living quarters and into the jungle (further away from their presumed primary target)

Regarding the Naxal operation - Sorry but the ROE and chain of command on the ground in anti naxal ops between CRPF / Local Police / MoD is more confusing than understanding quantum physics. Given that - i dont think making a 1 line conclusion is fair.
 

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Without going into details, I can counter by saying Garuds and Marcos have been busy outside India for well over 8 years in many many ops often teaming up other 'Tier-1' units, in joint raids. This idea that they aren't as good as the Paras is absolute non sense. They are after all imparted training by ex NSG, SG, SFF and Para instructors. Actually while Para SF keeps busy in J&K, Garuds and Marcos have become ghosts in daring raids outside India. The arc of their work has been as far as the Indian Ocean stretches. Garuds coming to J&K is not new, they have been active in a passive way, they'll be more active from now on because the enemy they face is quite different. Pathankot was a success, base defence is a tertiary role for the Garuds and they did a stellar job, while denying the pigs access, they buckled down to ensure no one got anywhere within a mile of certain strategic bunkers.
 

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Without going into details, I can counter by saying Garuds and Marcos have been busy outside India for well over 8 years in many many ops often teaming up other 'Tier-1' units, in joint raids. This idea that they aren't as good as the Paras is absolute non sense. They are after all imparted training by ex NSG, SG, SFF and Para instructors. Actually while Para SF keeps busy in J&K, Garuds and Marcos have become ghosts in daring raids outside India. The arc of their work has been as far as the Indian Ocean stretches. Garuds coming to J&K is not new, they have been active in a passive way, they'll be more active from now on because the enemy they face is quite different. Pathankot was a success, base defence is a tertiary role for the Garuds and they did a stellar job, while denying the pigs access, they buckled down to ensure no one got anywhere within a mile of certain strategic bunkers.
But the lame thing is we allowed ISI agent into pathankot base for probe.

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Pathankot was a learning experience, or Agnipareeksha for Garuds and the security apparatus. Napakis implementing the lessons learned from "good" Taliban attacks on Afghan airbases and the "bad" Taliban attacks on their own bases that crippled those bases, tried the same at Pathankot.

Of course there are lessons to be learned and hopefully they have been learned. But do remember a radical shit in posture and course of action does not happen in a day. It will be gradual and hopefully firm and flexible at the same time.

Garuds in CI ops in J&K is a part of that strategy.
 

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Without going into details, I can counter by saying Garuds and Marcos have been busy outside India for well over 8 years in many many ops often teaming up other 'Tier-1' units, in joint raids. This idea that they aren't as good as the Paras is absolute non sense. They are after all imparted training by ex NSG, SG, SFF and Para instructors. Actually while Para SF keeps busy in J&K, Garuds and Marcos have become ghosts in daring raids outside India. The arc of their work has been as far as the Indian Ocean stretches. Garuds coming to J&K is not new, they have been active in a passive way, they'll be more active from now on because the enemy they face is quite different. Pathankot was a success, base defence is a tertiary role for the Garuds and they did a stellar job, while denying the pigs access, they buckled down to ensure no one got anywhere within a mile of certain strategic bunkers.
These tidbits of information that you leak out are really engaging to say the least Sir.

Could one expect any more details on these foreign ops?
 

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Without going into details, I can counter by saying Garuds and Marcos have been busy outside India for well over 8 years in many many ops often teaming up other 'Tier-1' units, in joint raids. This idea that they aren't as good as the Paras is absolute non sense. They are after all imparted training by ex NSG, SG, SFF and Para instructors. Actually while Para SF keeps busy in J&K, Garuds and Marcos have become ghosts in daring raids outside India. The arc of their work has been as far as the Indian Ocean stretches. Garuds coming to J&K is not new, they have been active in a passive way, they'll be more active from now on because the enemy they face is quite different. Pathankot was a success, base defence is a tertiary role for the Garuds and they did a stellar job, while denying the pigs access, they buckled down to ensure no one got anywhere within a mile of certain strategic bunkers.
According to me what @Immanuel Sir said regarding ops outside India is a hint that they are related to the overseas missions of IAF and Navy involving it's assets like Transport aircrafts and ships respectively. And since both the Garuds and Marcos are integral part of the both respective, their sole duty here is to clear ports and LZs for assets to arrive in strife torn areas needed for relief or evacuation and then guard the assets being inside that may again involve UNPKF missions as well (I may be wrong on this though). Now they are crucial and involve conflict as well and not just some petty job on the field.

Now involving Paras overseas would mean the army solely getting involved and causing a bigger footprint letting info leak as they can't be masked under the shadow of IAF and Navy deployment meaning only naval and air assets to the general view.

Now if you are talking about secret covert ops like USSOCOMs do all over the world killing Alqaeda and IS terrorists in Libya Syria etc etc.. then I have no clue on it, if true.

So more information would be very great on this... Hoping to get some.
Thank you.
 
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@rkhanna Your Fav SF unit outside India has scored some record hit ..These guys do keep measuring all these challenges between the other SF forces :confused1:

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My favorite SF units (outside of India and Hollywood) are the following

Canadian JTF-2
Aussie SASR
Columbian - AFEUR
Polish - GROM
Philippine - LCB
SoKo - Navy Seals
 

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@rkhanna Your Fav SF unit outside India has scored some record hit ..These guys do keep measuring all these challenges between the other SF forces :confused1:

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Hehe. Thanks. Keep in mind all the Canadian snipers on that top 10 list are jtf-2 .

10second flight time means tons of luck that the target did not move . But @ 3.5km that's an ungodly shot
 

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Pathankot was a learning experience, or Agnipareeksha for Garuds and the security apparatus. Napakis implementing the lessons learned from "good" Taliban attacks on Afghan airbases and the "bad" Taliban attacks on their own bases that crippled those bases, tried the same at Pathankot.

Of course there are lessons to be learned and hopefully they have been learned. But do remember a radical shit in posture and course of action does not happen in a day. It will be gradual and hopefully firm and flexible at the same time.

Garuds in CI ops in J&K is a part of that strategy.
Pathankot was actually a test for DSC, their primary role is base defence and after it was clear they need new gear, weapons and revised training, including having their own commando units. Garuds had their first baptism of fire on a foreign land far away where they were nothing but legendary in their execution, India will never acknowledge this op but we have been helping one very good ally in the heart of Africa dealing with one serious menace. Garuds were also instrumental in guiding local forces crushing this menace, so much so that this terror outfit is now essentially limited to a bushy area. In return, this ally at one point became one of India's oil suppliers at good rates, this was a time when paying for Iranian oil was becoming increasingly difficult.
 

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Pathankot was actually a test for DSC, their primary role is base defence and after it was clear they need new gear, weapons and revised training, including having their own commando units. Garuds had their first baptism of fire on a foreign land far away where they were nothing but legendary in their execution, India will never acknowledge this op but we have been helping one very good ally in the heart of Africa dealing with one serious menace. Garuds were also instrumental in guiding local forces crushing this menace, so much so that this terror outfit is now essentially limited to a bushy area. In return, this ally at one point became one of India's oil suppliers at good rates, this was a time when paying for Iranian oil was becoming increasingly difficult.
Garuds and marcos should put their training and equipment to use for defending our country's resources not neutralizing poverty stricken Somali pirates in gulf of eden.
 

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Garuds and marcos should put their training and equipment to use for defending our country's resources not neutralizing poverty stricken Somali pirates in gulf of eden.
You think Somali Pirates are poor? Or they don't have tactics or training?
 

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They are poor but well armed and trained as most of them are rebels. How hard is to take dozen pirates sailing in a small boat? Even Bihar police place can handle them
 
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India will never acknowledge this op but we have been helping one very good ally in the heart of Africa dealing with one serious menace.
Sir, Playing the the guessing game here, Did Gen.Sundarji play an active role in this African nation?
 

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Didnt understand - When did Garud get pinned down? Pathankhot?

In Pathankhot they engaged the terrorist (first after the DSC) and as per their orders their held their line and prevented any jihadi from entering and threatening the capital assets of the base. They NEVER went offensive against the Jihadis. The moment QRT and other forces arrived on scene they retreated further tightening the defence ring around the capital Assets. They did their job to the Letter T. Infact it was because of their action that the Jihads were forced to go into living quarters and into the jungle (further away from their presumed primary target)

Regarding the Naxal operation - Sorry but the ROE and chain of command on the ground in anti naxal ops between CRPF / Local Police / MoD is more confusing than understanding quantum physics. Given that - i dont think making a 1 line conclusion is fair.
In my understanding and making simple how things work..when a team of terrorists goes to strike a high value target whoever guards it has to neutralize them.If not then come containing them till the time other forces can come and take over.

DSC being the guarding force and Garuds being the SPECIAL FORCE who should have neutralized them.But it didnt work that way coz the special force was unable to contain them in the firefight where some Garuds got martyred

If i remember correctly the Para SF was guarding the assets and NSG was neutralising the threat.Kindly educate me if i am wrong...and Arent Garuds raised for this job?Its their primary task.

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Why do we respect Gorkhas...coz of their selfless service.In one incident a gorkha faught against 40 thugs to save a girl from being raped in a train...Its these things which makes reputation.

Leaving people to die for chain of command is bullshit according to me.

Why do you wear the unifrom is the question then?
 

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They are poor but well armed and trained as most of them are rebels. How hard is to take dozen pirates sailing in a small boat? Even Bihar police place can handle them
LOL.
Have you ever been out to sea or been at the receiving end of Pirates?

I have so I can tell you that they aren't poor.. they are well armed.. and very cunning.
They have all the equipment required to intimidate and board a full size container ship.
 
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