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And take sadistic pleasure in killing us all with the very potent hype poison? :biggrin2:I have proof to the contrary but I'll refrain from posting it on a public forum
And take sadistic pleasure in killing us all with the very potent hype poison? :biggrin2:I have proof to the contrary but I'll refrain from posting it on a public forum
Hmm the flash supressor looks like the ak74u. Maybe I am going daft with ageNot AK74 !!
They are Bulgarian AR-SF from Arsenal
Didnt understand - When did Garud get pinned down? Pathankhot?Pathankot and one incident with a heli crash at a naxal operation is not a very good record on how a SF team should have performed.
There is no way a team of SF should get pinned down by jihadists trained for only a few month.There is no way in a naxal operation you leave other HUMANS to die and worry about only AF people.
Hype poison???And take sadistic pleasure in killing us all with the very potent hype poison? :biggrin2:
But the lame thing is we allowed ISI agent into pathankot base for probe.Without going into details, I can counter by saying Garuds and Marcos have been busy outside India for well over 8 years in many many ops often teaming up other 'Tier-1' units, in joint raids. This idea that they aren't as good as the Paras is absolute non sense. They are after all imparted training by ex NSG, SG, SFF and Para instructors. Actually while Para SF keeps busy in J&K, Garuds and Marcos have become ghosts in daring raids outside India. The arc of their work has been as far as the Indian Ocean stretches. Garuds coming to J&K is not new, they have been active in a passive way, they'll be more active from now on because the enemy they face is quite different. Pathankot was a success, base defence is a tertiary role for the Garuds and they did a stellar job, while denying the pigs access, they buckled down to ensure no one got anywhere within a mile of certain strategic bunkers.
These tidbits of information that you leak out are really engaging to say the least Sir.Without going into details, I can counter by saying Garuds and Marcos have been busy outside India for well over 8 years in many many ops often teaming up other 'Tier-1' units, in joint raids. This idea that they aren't as good as the Paras is absolute non sense. They are after all imparted training by ex NSG, SG, SFF and Para instructors. Actually while Para SF keeps busy in J&K, Garuds and Marcos have become ghosts in daring raids outside India. The arc of their work has been as far as the Indian Ocean stretches. Garuds coming to J&K is not new, they have been active in a passive way, they'll be more active from now on because the enemy they face is quite different. Pathankot was a success, base defence is a tertiary role for the Garuds and they did a stellar job, while denying the pigs access, they buckled down to ensure no one got anywhere within a mile of certain strategic bunkers.
According to me what @Immanuel Sir said regarding ops outside India is a hint that they are related to the overseas missions of IAF and Navy involving it's assets like Transport aircrafts and ships respectively. And since both the Garuds and Marcos are integral part of the both respective, their sole duty here is to clear ports and LZs for assets to arrive in strife torn areas needed for relief or evacuation and then guard the assets being inside that may again involve UNPKF missions as well (I may be wrong on this though). Now they are crucial and involve conflict as well and not just some petty job on the field.Without going into details, I can counter by saying Garuds and Marcos have been busy outside India for well over 8 years in many many ops often teaming up other 'Tier-1' units, in joint raids. This idea that they aren't as good as the Paras is absolute non sense. They are after all imparted training by ex NSG, SG, SFF and Para instructors. Actually while Para SF keeps busy in J&K, Garuds and Marcos have become ghosts in daring raids outside India. The arc of their work has been as far as the Indian Ocean stretches. Garuds coming to J&K is not new, they have been active in a passive way, they'll be more active from now on because the enemy they face is quite different. Pathankot was a success, base defence is a tertiary role for the Garuds and they did a stellar job, while denying the pigs access, they buckled down to ensure no one got anywhere within a mile of certain strategic bunkers.
My favorite SF units (outside of India and Hollywood) are the following
Canadian JTF-2
Aussie SASR
Columbian - AFEUR
Polish - GROM
Philippine - LCB
SoKo - Navy Seals
Hehe. Thanks. Keep in mind all the Canadian snipers on that top 10 list are jtf-2 .OT
@rkhanna Your Fav SF unit outside India has scored some record hit ..These guys do keep measuring all these challenges between the other SF forces
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Pathankot was actually a test for DSC, their primary role is base defence and after it was clear they need new gear, weapons and revised training, including having their own commando units. Garuds had their first baptism of fire on a foreign land far away where they were nothing but legendary in their execution, India will never acknowledge this op but we have been helping one very good ally in the heart of Africa dealing with one serious menace. Garuds were also instrumental in guiding local forces crushing this menace, so much so that this terror outfit is now essentially limited to a bushy area. In return, this ally at one point became one of India's oil suppliers at good rates, this was a time when paying for Iranian oil was becoming increasingly difficult.Pathankot was a learning experience, or Agnipareeksha for Garuds and the security apparatus. Napakis implementing the lessons learned from "good" Taliban attacks on Afghan airbases and the "bad" Taliban attacks on their own bases that crippled those bases, tried the same at Pathankot.
Of course there are lessons to be learned and hopefully they have been learned. But do remember a radical shit in posture and course of action does not happen in a day. It will be gradual and hopefully firm and flexible at the same time.
Garuds in CI ops in J&K is a part of that strategy.
Garuds and marcos should put their training and equipment to use for defending our country's resources not neutralizing poverty stricken Somali pirates in gulf of eden.Pathankot was actually a test for DSC, their primary role is base defence and after it was clear they need new gear, weapons and revised training, including having their own commando units. Garuds had their first baptism of fire on a foreign land far away where they were nothing but legendary in their execution, India will never acknowledge this op but we have been helping one very good ally in the heart of Africa dealing with one serious menace. Garuds were also instrumental in guiding local forces crushing this menace, so much so that this terror outfit is now essentially limited to a bushy area. In return, this ally at one point became one of India's oil suppliers at good rates, this was a time when paying for Iranian oil was becoming increasingly difficult.
You think Somali Pirates are poor? Or they don't have tactics or training?Garuds and marcos should put their training and equipment to use for defending our country's resources not neutralizing poverty stricken Somali pirates in gulf of eden.
Sir, Playing the the guessing game here, Did Gen.Sundarji play an active role in this African nation?India will never acknowledge this op but we have been helping one very good ally in the heart of Africa dealing with one serious menace.
In my understanding and making simple how things work..when a team of terrorists goes to strike a high value target whoever guards it has to neutralize them.If not then come containing them till the time other forces can come and take over.Didnt understand - When did Garud get pinned down? Pathankhot?
In Pathankhot they engaged the terrorist (first after the DSC) and as per their orders their held their line and prevented any jihadi from entering and threatening the capital assets of the base. They NEVER went offensive against the Jihadis. The moment QRT and other forces arrived on scene they retreated further tightening the defence ring around the capital Assets. They did their job to the Letter T. Infact it was because of their action that the Jihads were forced to go into living quarters and into the jungle (further away from their presumed primary target)
Regarding the Naxal operation - Sorry but the ROE and chain of command on the ground in anti naxal ops between CRPF / Local Police / MoD is more confusing than understanding quantum physics. Given that - i dont think making a 1 line conclusion is fair.
LOL.They are poor but well armed and trained as most of them are rebels. How hard is to take dozen pirates sailing in a small boat? Even Bihar police place can handle them
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