Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[Anandhu Krishna]

@binayak95 ji can expect our future ships like this

 

[Fatalis]

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This year we might be seeing the decommissioning of:
1 Rajput class.
1 Abhay class.
1 Khukri class.
1 Sandhyak class

 

[Anandhu Krishna]

Yeah, looks like that will be the case.

We will be in top 5 by 2030 and in top 4 by 2035. Though we are aiming for #3, it will only be possible after 2045.

With Japan spending another 300 billion on military, don't know.

 

[Fatalis]

With Japan spending another 300 billion on military, don't know.

They will be inducting more surface combatants and less auxiliaries. We will be inducting both along with the SSBNs and SSNs. This is the reason RN is in #3.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

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[Corvus Splendens]

They will be inducting more surface combatants and less auxiliaries. We will be inducting both along with the SSBNs and SSNs. This is the reason RN is in #3.

Japan has atleast 2 Arsenal Ships planned for BMD duties around the coast.
Atleast 2 more Improved Izumo class carriers for F-35 ops.
2 more Mogami class Frigates under construction, and 3 more to be launched. With a second batch of another 10+ ships planned. Which brings the total number close to 20 Mogamis.
6 more Project 29 attack submarines.
They are also looking at acquiring 1-2 retired Wasp class LHDs from America.

 

[Fatalis]

Japan has atleast 2 Arsenal Ships planned for BMD duties around the coast.

Yeah, around 20000 tons each.

Atleast 2 more Improved Izumo class carriers for F-35 ops.

I have not heard for this. Nothing concrete on this till 2030.

2 more Mogami class Frigates under construction, and 3 more to be launched. With a second batch of another 10+ ships planned. Which brings the total number close to 20 Mogamis.

The planned number is to have 22 by 2032. They will be replacing around 14 old vessels with this class. Then there is another DDG in development which will also replace 14 current DDs from 2027 onwards.

They are also looking at acquiring 1-2 retired Wasp class LHDs from America.

There are a total of 7 Wasp class which will be in service at least till 2035. From there onwards they will start retiring so very less probability of JSDMF acquiring one.

 

[Fatalis]

In the meantime till 2035, we will be getting at least:
5 FSS
4 LHD
1 IAC
5 NGD
7 P-17AU
8 NGC
5 SSBN
6 SSN

 

[Fatalis]

@binayak95 sir ji, USN and RN use two different type of ships for the replenishment: 1. For fuel 2. For solid supply. Do we exercise both the capabilities in a single platform? Doesn't it causes any complexity?

 

[binayak95]

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Are they sure that the RuN floats ?
And 2 carriers doesnt make RN a good navy either, it'll be 2030s before they have adequate PSCs

 

[SilentlAssassin265]

In the meantime till 2035, we will be getting at least:
5 FSS
4 LHD
1 IAC
5 NGD
7 P-17AU
8 NGC
5 SSBN
6 SSN

Ssbn is ok but ssn work is not even started, even if it was started secretly we will still get only 1 or till 2035

 

[binayak95]

@binayak95 sir ji, USN and RN use two different type of ships for the replenishment: 1. For fuel 2. For solid supply. Do we exercise both the capabilities in a single platform? Doesn't it causes any complexity?

RN ko chodo bhai, they have a decent RFA but every NATO navy piggybacks off the USN (as do we for fuel/lubol)

We prefer to store solid supplies (rations, ammo, victuals) onboard the ship for whatever duration she is supposed to sail - and that is also partly the answer to why our ships seem underarmed for weight.

If a ship has to remain on station beyond its requisitioned supplies, they generally dock at friendly harbours (allied naval bases or civilian ports of friendly nations) and take on supplies.

The only case when Fleet Replenishment ships carry solid victuals is when the task force (3-4 ships) sail to the Pacific / Atlantic for months long deployment; but even that has eased considerably since signing of logistics support agreements with USN, RN, RAN, IJN (JMSDF), MN etc etc

 

[Fatalis]

Are they sure that the RuN floats ?

Well, here RuN mostly dives. Their submarine force is their strength as it has been since the cold war and from what I have read that after the Moskava incident they are planning to stick with the Submarine force as their mainstay.

And 2 carriers doesnt make RN a good navy either, it'll be 2030s before they have adequate PSCs

They will be having similar number of PSCs also in future (6 DDG + 8 ASW FFG + 5 GP FFG + if lucky 5 more GP FFG). What brings them in top 4 is their RFA. They have pretty big tankers and soon will add 3 support ships.

RN ko chodo bhai, they have a decent RFA but every NATO navy piggybacks off the USN (as do we for fuel/lubol)

We prefer to store solid supplies (rations, ammo, victuals) onboard the ship for whatever duration she is supposed to sail - and that is also partly the answer to why our ships seem underarmed for weight.

If a ship has to remain on station beyond its requisitioned supplies, they generally dock at friendly harbours (allied naval bases or civilian ports of friendly nations) and take on supplies.

The only case when Fleet Replenishment ships carry solid victuals is when the task force (3-4 ships) sail to the Pacific / Atlantic for months long deployment; but even that has eased considerably since signing of logistics support agreements with USN, RN, RAN, IJN (JMSDF), MN etc etc

Sir ji thank you for the insight. Now, it make sense with not using the solid support ships and under armed ships for their weight.

 

[Corvus Splendens]

Are they sure that the RuN floats ?
And 2 carriers doesn't make RN a good navy either, it'll be 2030s before they have adequate PSCs

16 SSNs, 10 SSGNs, 11 SSBNs, 22 SSKs, 8 speshul purpose subs
33 ASW Corvettes, 41 Guided Missile Corvettes
20 Landing ships, 43 Landing crafts
11 FFG, 10 DDG
2 Nuclear Battlecruisers, 2 Guided Missile Cruisers
1 Big Garage Queen

 

[Blademaster]

16 SSNs, 10 SSGNs, 11 SSBNs, 22 SSKs, 8 speshul purpose subs
33 ASW Corvettes, 41 Guided Missile Corvettes
20 Landing ships, 43 Landing crafts
11 FFG, 10 DDG
2 Nuclear Battlecruisers, 2 Guided Missile Cruisers
1 Big Garage Queen

And totally non usable in the Black Sea. They will need to use SSKs in the Black Sea to fire missiles and avoid the fate of Moskva if they cannot take down the NATO elint platforms.

 

[Anandhu Krishna]

In the meantime till 2035, we will be getting at least:
5 FSS
4 LHD
1 IAC
5 NGD
7 P-17AU
8 NGC
5 SSBN
6 SSN

IAC2, LHD, NGD, SSN are still under red tape. Probably even the NGC and FSS. No updates.

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

IAC2, LHD, NGD, SSN are still under red tape. Probably even the NGC and FSS. No updates.

IAC-2 has recently been cleared by the Parliament for procurement.
LHD will need to be a clean sheet design to match IN requirements.
NGD is already being worked upon, MDL expects an order sometime in 2027.
SSN funding began in 2015 itself, its a black project, whatever updates are out there are pure media speculation.
FSS contract has pretty much been finalized, as far as frigates are concerned, a P17A repeat order will be place either this year or next year.

 

[binayak95]

16 SSNs, 10 SSGNs, 11 SSBNs, 22 SSKs, 8 speshul purpose subs
33 ASW Corvettes, 41 Guided Missile Corvettes
20 Landing ships, 43 Landing crafts
11 FFG, 10 DDG
2 Nuclear Battlecruisers, 2 Guided Missile Cruisers
1 Big Garage Queen

And totally incompetent crews and officers

 

[binayak95]

All Things Navy on Twitter: "In a major move to boost manufacturing in India, General Atomics Aeronautical Systems, Inc. @GenAtomics_ASI and @BharatForgeLtd , India have announced a partnership to manufacture main landing gear components, subassemblies, and assemblies of remotely piloted aircraft." / Twitter


MQ9B coming bois. As expected.

 

[Blue Water Navy]

All Things Navy on Twitter: "In a major move to boost manufacturing in India, General Atomics Aeronautical Systems, Inc. @GenAtomics_ASI and @BharatForgeLtd , India have announced a partnership to manufacture main landing gear components, subassemblies, and assemblies of remotely piloted aircraft." / Twitter


MQ9B coming bois. As expected.

Indeed desi Predator. I wonder what will be the name.. Vidhwanshak..


And in Padosi mulk. "kafiro ko mila raha hai drone aur humara atamee kom k liye drone k paea bhi nahi.. sirf dur se he dekh sakte hai" ..

Well we can make that happen !! Am I right, bois ?

Bharat Forge, General Atomics Partner To Manufacture Key Components For Advanced UAVs In India

In a major move to boost manufacturing in India, US-based General Atomics Aeronautical Systems and Bharat Forge have announced a partnership to manufacture main landing gear components, subassemblies, and assemblies of remotely piloted aircraft

swarajyamag.com

General Atomics announces partnership to manufacture aerostructures in India

San Diego-based General Atomics Aeronautical Systems (GA-ASI), a subsidiary of General Atomics, said its partnership with Bharat Forge Ltd will result in significant capability-building for both companies and provide an impetus to the Indian large, unmanned aircraft industry.

www.moneycontrol.com

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