Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[karn]

I feel like 26 is a really small number and it would better to have some more for IAC-2 and vikramaditya too. That plus the need to have Spares for wartime attrition and accidents.

If they ordered more this forum would do RR about how tedbf is cancelled.

 

[Fatalis]

On the topic of Principal Surface Combatants (DDGs and FFGs only) of major naval forces, following will be the numbers around 2030s:

1. PLAN ~ 120
2. USN ~107
3. JMSDF ~ 48
4. SKN ~ 44
5. IN ~ 33 (worst case) / 39 (best case)
6. RuN ~ 25
7. MM ~ 21
8. RN ~ 19
9. MN ~ 15

 

[Corvus Splendens]

IAC-2 will have indigenous aviation complex

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

On the topic of Principal Surface Combatants (DDGs and FFGs only) of major naval forces, following will be the numbers around 2030s:

1. PLAN ~ 120
2. USN ~107
3. JMSDF ~ 48
4. SKN ~ 44
5. IN ~ 33 (worst case) / 39 (best case)
6. RuN ~ 25
7. MM ~ 21
8. RN ~ 19
9. MN ~ 15

Tonnage is more important.

 

[rohit b3]

On the topic of Principal Surface Combatants (DDGs and FFGs only) of major naval forces, following will be the numbers around 2030s:

1. PLAN ~ 120
2. USN ~107
3. JMSDF ~ 48
4. SKN ~ 44
5. IN ~ 33 (worst case) / 39 (best case)
6. RuN ~ 25
7. MM ~ 21
8. RN ~ 19
9. MN ~ 15

Doubt

I just calculated S.Korea's, its coming 29 for me - 6 Sejong the Great,6 Chungmugong,3 Gwangetto, 8 Daegu, 6 Incheon.
Am i missing out any?

Japan around 38-40.

India - 4 Vish, 3 Kolkata, 3 Delhi, 7 Nilgiri, 3 Shivalik , 10 Talwar, 4 Kamorta , 3 Brahmaputra = 37.

Thats data as of 2030.

 

[Fatalis]

Tonnage is more important.

Everything has its own importance.

Doubt

I just calculated S.Korea's, its coming 29 for me - 6 Sejong the Great,6 Chungmugong,3 Gwangetto, 8 Daegu, 6 Incheon.
Am i missing out any?

06 KDX-II + 06 KDX-III + 06 KDDX = 18 DDG
06 FFX-I + 08 FFX-II + 06 FFX-III + 06 FFX-IV = 26 FFG
Total = 18 + 26 = 44

Japan around 38-40.

10 + 02 Aegis Vessels
22 FFM
06 DDG
08-14 old DD
Total = 48-54

India - 4 Vish, 3 Kolkata, 3 Delhi, 7 Nilgiri, 3 Shivalik , 10 Talwar, 4 Kamorta , 3 Brahmaputra = 37.

04 P-15B + 03 P-15A + 03 P-15= 10 DDG
07 P-17A + 03 P-17 + 10 P-11356 + 03 P-16A = 23
06 P-17AU* (Best case)
Total = 10 + 23 = 33 (worst case) / 33 + 6 = 39 (best case).

 

[rohit b3]

Everything has its own importance.


06 KDX-II + 06 KDX-III + 06 KDDX = 18 DDG
06 FFX-I + 08 FFX-II + 06 FFX-III + 06 FFX-IV = 26 FFG
Total = 18 + 26 = 44

10 + 02 Aegis Vessels
22 FFM
06 DDG
08-14 old DD
Total = 48-54

04 P-15B + 03 P-15A + 03 P-15= 10 DDG
07 P-17A + 03 P-17 + 10 P-11356 + 03 P-16A = 23
06 P-17AU* (Best case)
Total = 10 + 23 = 33 (worst case) / 33 + 6 = 39 (best case).

eh KKDX is still sometime away. Its in "Design phase" and definitely wont be ready by 2030.
FFX-3 and 4 is also a long time away.
They will come sometime in the mid 2030s, but the timeline is too long to speculate the exact time.
Should be around the time of our Project 17 AU Frigates and Project 18 Destroyers

PS- Kamorta Class are ""Frigates" if Incheons can be called Frigates as well.

 

[abingdonboy]

In the meantime till 2035, we will be getting at least:
5 FSS
4 LHD
1 IAC
5 NGD
7 P-17AU
8 NGC
5 SSBN
6 SSN

5 NGD, 6 SSN and 1 IAC by 2035 is VERY optimistic especially as most on this list haven’t even had their production approved.

the 7 P17A took 10 years (contract signed in 2015, production started in 2017, provisional end date for deliveries is 2025) and these were based on existing designs to a large extent. Much on your list are greenfield projects.

To have a chance of meeting the 2035 deadline everything on that list will have to be ordered in the next 2-3 years, I don’t think anything on that list is ordered in the next 5 years.

 

[abingdonboy]

I still don't understand they are not going for hornets it has foldable wings, better availability, somewhat cheaper, same engine as lca,tedbf and navy already using boing product

Both Rafale and SH can fit on Vikrant using an angled jig so folding wings is moot

better availability? Based on what?

cheaper? Absolutely not especially not with the ISE price that would be incurred for the SH

So what if Boeing products are already used by the IN? What part of a 737/P8 do you think there is in common with a SH?

Rafale was always the obvious winner and I’ve said it from day one

 

[abingdonboy]

I feel like 26 is a really small number and it would better to have some more for IAC-2 and vikramaditya too. That plus the need to have Spares for wartime attrition and accidents.

They’ve said on the record- MRCBF is an interim. TEDBF is their goal

 

[abingdonboy]

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IAC-2 will have indigenous aviation complex

This is an entirely different system to arrestor wires in ships. These are crash/catch barriers that are erected at either end of runways to stop land based fighters in case of brake failure or such

Trying to develop an indigenous aviation complex should be explored but it shouldn’t lead to delays in getting IAC-2, as it is she’s already going to be a 2040s class

 

[SilentlAssassin265]

They’ve said on the record- MRCBF is an interim. TEDBF is their goal

If they ground entire mig29k then will it be enough?

 

[Anandhu Krishna]

IAC-2 has recently been cleared by the Parliament for procurement.

I think you mean a parliamentary committee supported the 3rd career. I don't think a random committee have authority to approve things.

LHD will need to be a clean sheet design to match IN requirements.

So it's not going to happen anytime soon.

NGD is already being worked upon, MDL expects an order sometime in 2027.
SSN funding began in 2015 itself, its a black project, whatever updates are out there are pure media speculation.
FSS contract has pretty much been finalized, as far as frigates are concerned, a P17A repeat order will be place either this year or next year.

 

[abingdonboy]

If they ground entire mig29k then will it be enough?

No but that isn’t the plan. The ~35 29Ks will serve just the Vikky, the Rafales will serve the Vikrant

TEDBF will come, replace all the 29Ks, supplement the Rafale for the Vikrant and then form The air wing for any 3rd carrier by the mid/late 2030s

 

[bhramos]

 

[ezsasa]

any idea what this is/means ?
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https://www.mod.gov.in/sites/default/files/Final-RFP-EKM.pdf

 

[SilentlAssassin265]

any idea what this is/means ?
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View attachment 188531

https://www.mod.gov.in/sites/default/files/Final-RFP-EKM.pdf

Maybe it was sent to Russia and broke down near norway

 

[Sachinananda]

 

[SilentlAssassin265]

Freezing some parameters?
Means they started building the vessel without freezing the design

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

Freezing some parameters?
Means they started building the vessel without freezing the design

That does not happen.
Its likely the Indian Navy which might have asked for design changes, they have a habit of doing this, even for IAC-1 they had requested some 4000 changes to be made.