Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[johnj]

Not official data. These map circles are based on assumption that they even cover 1000KM.. I would believe it provides decent detection for only 400KM.

From some site, & considering sam range [380km], upto 600km.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Not official data. These map circles are based on assumption that they even cover 1000KM.. I would believe it provides decent detection for only 400KM.

400 km is the engagement range of 40N6E missile.
Detection and tracking range needs much more than engagement range.
Generally missiles are placed much ahead of the radars and sensors.
Most sources give a detection and tracking range from 600 km to 1000 km depending on situation.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

@Dark Sorrow @binayak95 holy shit s400 covers alot of India are we even close to making something that covers this much area?

We have a XRSAM program in similar lines. The XRSAM missile system is expected to have a range of 250 km against fighter jets, 350 km against cruise missiles, sea skimming anti-ship missiles, AWACS and mid air refuelers.
We even have Swordfish Long Range Tracking Radar which currently has a range of 600 km (370 mi)-800 km (500 mi) km range and can spot objects as small as a cricket ball.
The Super Swordfish radar has a range of 1,500 km range.
Though this are primary anti-ballistic system radar they can also track aircraft and cruise missiles.
These radars can also track hyper-sonic targets.

 

[NutCracker]

400 km is the engagement range of 40N6E missile.
Detection and tracking range needs much more than engagement range.
Generally missiles are placed much ahead of the radars and sensors.
Most sources give a detection and tracking range from 600 km to 1000 km depending on situation.

Those might be ballistic missiles going to crazy heights.

So ... Anything flying below 16KM and beyond 450KM is undetectable because of earth's curvature.//

Is this MAFFS correct ??

CAN WE BUY F-35B pleaseee..

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

We have a XRSAM program in similar lines. The XRSAM missile system is expected to have a range of 250 km against fighter jets, 350 km against cruise missiles, sea skimming anti-ship missiles, AWACS and mid air refuelers.
We even have Swordfish Long Range Tracking Radar which currently has a range of 600 km (370 mi)-800 km (500 mi) km range and can spot objects as small as a cricket ball.
The Super Swordfish radar has a range of 1,500 km range.
Though this are primary anti-ballistic system radar they can also track aircraft and cruise missiles.
These radars can also track hyper-sonic targets.

I thought xr sam was only for navy

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

We have a XRSAM program in similar lines. The XRSAM missile system is expected to have a range of 250 km against fighter jets, 350 km against cruise missiles, sea skimming anti-ship missiles, AWACS and mid air refuelers.
We even have Swordfish Long Range Tracking Radar which currently has a range of 600 km (370 mi)-800 km (500 mi) km range and can spot objects as small as a cricket ball.
The Super Swordfish radar has a range of 1,500 km range.
Though this are primary anti-ballistic system radar they can also track aircraft and cruise missiles.
These radars can also track hyper-sonic targets.

And those super swordfish radars are indegenous? If yes damn we got good ass radars

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

And those super swordfish radars are indegenous? If yes damn we got good ass radars

Yes, the Swordfish LRTR is an indigenous derivative of the EL/M-2080 Green Pine radar of which 2 units are operational.
The original Swordfish LRTR is capable of detecting ballastic missiles in the 600-800km range.
The EL/M-2080 is known to have tracked Scud missiles from 700km away for its complete trajectory back in the 2000s.
The Super Swordfish VLRTR can detect a 0.25m^2 target at a distance of 1000km.
2 units of the Super Swordfish are operational.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]

Yes, the Swordfish LRTR is an indigenous derivative of the EL/M-2080 Green Pine radar of which 2 units are operational.
The original Swordfish LRTR is capable of detecting ballastic missiles in the 600-800km range.
The EL/M-2080 is known to have tracked Scud missiles from 700km away for its complete trajectory back in the 2000s.
The Super Swordfish VLRTR can detect a 0.25m^2 target at a distance of 1000km.
2 units of the Super Swordfish are operational.

Great to know

 

[NutCracker]

350 km against cruise missiles, sea skimming anti-ship missiles

Top tier Cruise missiles fly below 150m . 350KM seems to be way too much exaggerated BS.
Even if Radar is mounted on Navy ship , due to earth curvature it's range should not be beyond 50 km for cruise missiles.

We even have Swordfish Long Range Tracking Radar which currently has a range of 600 km (370 mi)-800 km (500 mi) km range and can spot objects as small as a cricket ball.

This has to be the specs for something having ballistic missile trajectory with height of 100s of Kilometers.

 

[Blademaster]

The Russians literally stole the few tanks that had been sent to them for modernization certification (only certification from OEM) and put them to frontline use.
The bastards stole 2 billion USD on VKD, blackmailed India's defence attache ( a Commodore) have always played India against China and vice versa, cheated us on the T90 deal, the Brahmos program and the SU30MKI deal. Took R&D money from us for the MiG29K revival, and then delivered a product that is sub standard.

I can quote hundred more instance of Russians being anything but friendly to India. They are conniving weasels who deserve the buttfucking theyre getting in Ukraine.

What about the US slapping sanctions on India and setting the LCA program back a decade back and denying cyro engines to ISRO and setting the org back 2 decades and supplying Pakistan with advanced warplanes capable of delivering nukes to India?

What Russia did, US did far worse. As for the VKD, it was a case of underestimating the costs involved. And we had no choice but to go for MiG-29K as Russians won't certify other planes for use on the carrier. India got a great deal out of the Brahmos and Su30MKI. There was no cheating involved. Russia gave us INS Chakra and nuke design assistance.

And Russia is not getting buttfucked in Ukraine. Ukraine is getting buttfucked. Anyway, we re getting off topic. Let's get back on topic.

 

[LETHALFORCE]

 

[Dark Sorrow]

And those super swordfish radars are indegenous? If yes damn we got good ass radars

Yes, this are indigenous radars.
We got the original inspiration from Israeli Green Pine radars then we progressively indigenoused them.
2 such radars are known to be deployed.
Being ground based fixed radar we got a lot of headway wrt space, size, cooling and power.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Top tier Cruise missiles fly below 150m . 350KM seems to be way too much exaggerated BS.
Even if Radar is mounted on Navy ship , due to earth curvature it's range should not be beyond 50 km for cruise missiles.


This has to be the specs for something having ballistic missile trajectory with height of 100s of Kilometers.

No really. Such sea-skimming or terrain hugging missiles can be tracked by AWACS or Aerostat radar and engaged by XRSAM especially in network-centric environment (e.g. using AFNET).

For extreme engagement missile can follow Hi-Lo flight profile.

This range are preliminary specification by DRDO.

 

[NutCracker]

No really. Such sea-skimming or terrain hugging missiles can be tracked by AWACS or Aerostat radar and engaged by XRSAM especially in network-centric environment (e.g. using AFNET).

For extreme engagement missile can follow Hi-Lo flight profile.

This range are preliminary specification by DRDO.

I know that.. beyond 50KM for low flying objects even S-400 actually needs support of AWACS.

But even AWACS can't detect cruise missiles of 0.5-1m2 before 110km..

 

[Dark Sorrow]

I thought xr sam was only for navy

XRSAM is developed all 3 branches of Indian Armed Forces.
Land based version for IAF and IA while navalized version for IN.
Most of the missile is expected to be the same with minor adjustment for launch from UVLS.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

I know that.. beyond 50KM for low flying objects even S-400 actually needs support of AWACS.

But even AWACS can't detect cruise missiles of 0.5-1m2 before 110km..

IDK from where you got these ranges.

 

[NutCracker]

IDK from where you got these ranges.

yeah.. i rechecked.

220KM is for non stealthy cruise missiles.
110 for stealth cruise..

Radar Cross Section (RCS)

www.globalsecurity.org

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still 350 sounds too much.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

yeah.. i rechecked.

220KM is for non stealthy cruise missiles.
110 for stealth cruise..

Radar Cross Section (RCS)

www.globalsecurity.org

.

still 350 sounds too much.

The article states
The US airborne warning and control system (AWACS) radar system was designed to detect aircraft with an RCS of 7 m2 at a range of at least 370 km and typical nonstealthy cruise missiles at a range of at least 227 km; stealthy cruise missiles, however, could approach air defenses to within 108 km before being detected.

This was for system designed in 1970s. Today's AWACS have much better performance and sensitivity.

Our adversaries as of today have non-stealth cruise missile.

 

[Maveli]

To be clear are you talking about the T-90 we sent to Russia for certification post conducting upgrade in India.

Why would we send tanks to Russia for certification after receiving upragadationizalation?

Is there some sort of rule where an army can't use a tank in combat unless it has a duly notarized certification in triplicate?

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Why would we send tanks to Russia for certification after receiving upragadationizalation?

Is there some sort of rule where an army can't use a tank in combat unless it has a duly notarized certification in triplicate?

IA wants certification from OEM for combat worthiness.