Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[NutCracker]

Can anyone confirm is their a communication link of S-400 back to Russia to give RCS of tacked aircraft?

If this is true Rafale, AMCA's and Tejas's RCS would be compromised.

Russia would be more than willing to sell this RCS data to PRC for right price.

Can S-400 EVEN detect f-35B in our southern coast , if S-400 is placed in Gujarat or Assam ?

 

[Blademaster]

Can anyone confirm is their a communication link of S-400 back to Russia to give RCS of tacked aircraft?

If this is true Rafale, AMCA's and Tejas's RCS would be compromised.

Russia would be more than willing to sell this RCS data to PRC for right price.

I do not think Russia would go that far to betray India like that. Because if Russia did that and India found out about that, all hell would break loose and India would go apeshit and Russia would have one less ally.

No the Russians are not that stupid or desperate.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Can S-400 EVEN detect f-35B in our southern coast , if S-400 is placed in Gujarat or Assam ?

S-400 system has a detection range of 600km to 1000 km (depending on several different factors - claimed by various sources).
The problem can occur if F-35 flies into to the detection range of this system.
Lapse do occur time from time to time.
What I am more worried is if S-400 send the data back to Russia. If true this leak need to be plugged.

 

[NutCracker]

S-400 system has a detection range of 600km to 1000 km (depending on several different factors - claimed by various sources).
The problem can occur if F-35 flies into to the detection range of this system.
Lapse do occur time from time to time.
What I am more worried is if S-400 send the data back to Russia. If true this leak need to be plugged.

Keep VTOL Vikramaditya solely for choking Malacca (US would happily give), stationed in distant southern part.. even 1000km detection range wont make difference.

And I don't believe it has any such data link..

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Keep VTOL Vikramaditya solely for choking Malacca (US would happily give), stationed in distant southern part.. even 1000km detection range wont make difference.

But aircraft can fly into the detection range during training mission and exercises.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

I do not think Russia would go that far to betray India like that. Because if Russia did that and India found out about that, all hell would break loose and India would go apeshit and Russia would have one less ally.

No the Russians are not that stupid or desperate.

Russia is a businessman.

We must not forget Money is a great motivator.

Israel being US ally was will to sell sophisticated technology to PRC, when PRC was ready to pay big bucks. Russia is more desperate than Israel.

 

[Blademaster]

Russia is a businessman.

We must not forget Money is a great motivator.

Israel being US ally was will to sell to PRC for big bucks. Russia is more desperate than Israel.

Russia is getting money from India by selling oil and fertilizer. Besides money is not everything. If it was, Putin would not have initiated the special military operation in Ukraine. Having an trustworthy ally can also be a great motivator too.

 

[NutCracker]

But aircraft can fly into the detection range during training mission and exercises.

Lets assume its range is even 1200KM..

smaller circles are 1000KM. (even that is exaggeration).

I dont think s-400 is such sophisticated to detect signature of f-35 at this range still if F-35B stays in west coast towards Malacca its safe.

 

[Fatalis]

Aren't this the most import aspect in modern ships.

1. Reduced RCS - Increases stealth which intern increases serviceability
2. Tiding up the ship's mast - Will reduce maintenance, increase availability and lower the upkeep of the ship
3. This is will also help optimize the EMF/RF profile of the ship - This will impreve senstivity of other sensors, help in ELINT/SIGINT operaton

One more thing which they advertised in their Unicorn video is, it's like plug and play. Simply, remove it and put a new one if the old is requiring maintenance.

 

[binayak95]

I am having one doubt. One source is saying they will share Unicorn. PSG is saying we will be collaborating on I-Mast and CIC.

Anyone having more insight on this?

Integrated mast IS unicorn, but i guess we would rather develop one for our needs then take the as is Jap standard.

 

[binayak95]

Hmmmm….how come we are unable to develop such products? This is not all that cutting edge tech. Clear shows that our manufacturing industry needs to expand a lot more, a lot quickly.

Bhaisaab XD
Kaahe apni bezzati karrate ho

 

[binayak95]

The problem in India we don't have R&D and manufacturing mentality.
In India their is a lot of trading mentality. Our import lobby are the best examples of this.
The fact is R&D is hard. Its is capital intensive, time intensive and successful results are not always guaranteed.
Manufacturing activity is also riddled with lot of difficulties. Trading comparatively is very simple and have quick return of investment.

Eh, this was true five years ago.
R&D has been stepped up massively across the MIC spectrum.

 

[binayak95]

Can anyone confirm is their a communication link of S-400 back to Russia to give RCS of tacked aircraft?

If this is true Rafale, AMCA's and Tejas's RCS would be compromised.

Russia would be more than willing to sell this RCS data to PRC for right price.

There are certain backdoors, that were identified and removed by the IAF before acceptance.

Remember, we have demonstrated to the US (Pentagon) that the S400s do not have backdoor since reception of the first squadron.

 

[Fatalis]

Integrated mast IS unicorn, but i guess we would rather develop one for our needs then take the as is Jap standard.

Ah, I thought we were talking about something like this.

A fully integrated mast housing all the radars and sensors and on top of this the Unicorn.

 

[binayak95]

I do not think Russia would go that far to betray India like that. Because if Russia did that and India found out about that, all hell would break loose and India would go apeshit and Russia would have one less ally.

No the Russians are not that stupid or desperate.

The Russians literally stole the few tanks that had been sent to them for modernization certification (only certification from OEM) and put them to frontline use.
The bastards stole 2 billion USD on VKD, blackmailed India's defence attache ( a Commodore) have always played India against China and vice versa, cheated us on the T90 deal, the Brahmos program and the SU30MKI deal. Took R&D money from us for the MiG29K revival, and then delivered a product that is sub standard.

I can quote hundred more instance of Russians being anything but friendly to India. They are conniving weasels who deserve the buttfucking theyre getting in Ukraine.

 

[binayak95]

Ah, I thought we were talking about something like this.

A fully integrated mast housing all the radars and sensors and on top of this the Unicorn.

Naa mate, housing the radars into the superstructure is something we can do on our own.

 

[ezsasa]

Hmmmm….how come we are unable to develop such products? This is not all that cutting edge tech. Clear shows that our manufacturing industry needs to expand a lot more, a lot quickly.

it’s not the case that Indian industry can’t develop these sort of machines, the demand is so low for this exact machine that it become cost prohibitive to try and make it.

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

it’s not the case that Indian industry can’t develop these sort of machines, the demand is so low for this exact machine that it become cost prohibitive to try and make it.

But Germany does not even have aircraft carriers? India has so many more aircrafts not just on Indian Navy ships but in IAF as well as civil aviation. There should be plenty of demand, no? This product is a good candidate for import substitution. The defense ministry must put this on the local procurement list. And ban imports.

 

[ezsasa]

But Germany does not even have aircraft carriers? India has so many more aircrafts not just on Indian Navy ships but in IAF as well as civil aviation. There should be plenty of demand, no? This product is a good candidate for import substitution. The defense ministry must put this on the local procurement list. And ban imports.

germany is integrated into western/nato.

 

[binayak95]

But Germany does not even have aircraft carriers? India has so many more aircrafts not just on Indian Navy ships but in IAF as well as civil aviation. There should be plenty of demand, no? This product is a good candidate for import substitution. The defense ministry must put this on the local procurement list. And ban imports.

Mototok tugs are used in civil airports too