Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[jai jaganath]

Waise to mai bhi apke ghar me. Talwar leke ghus jayega
Lekin aap mere ko hadkao ge ki nai ?
Indian navy hadkai gi waise hi.

Bat mere ghar ake talwar dekha kar chale jana nahi hai
Bad yeh hai ki mere padosan kya sochenge

 

[Love Charger]

Point is not to defeat us
Point is to exert influence on other countries especially IOR which they can do very easily
Controlling other nations policies and challenging us is their long term goal
Ok till 2040 they won't be able to fight us in IOR but after that when they would have been the most powerful nations on this world with excellent sea based logistics
But in short term they can deploy cbg without any problems and try to reduce our influence

Mai apki gali se nikla. Apka isme kya gaya ?
Laykin mai apka enemy no 1 hai , mai apki gali se nikla. Aap mere upar bandook taan ke mereko escort kiya gali ke end tak kyuki apko dar laga ki mai ulta sedha karega kuch .aka apke neighbors ke ghar pe bunker banayga ya unke kaan bharega apke baare me, "ki jai jagganath na ek no ka kharab admi hai. Chalo Saath milke Raat ko uski Gaadi se tel churayenge. Usko acha lesson milega "lekin apne meko escort kiya bandook dikhake , tab mai chup chap apke gali se nikal jaygea
Waise hi indiam navy bhi escort karegi even beyond 2040

 

[jai jaganath]

Mai apki gali se nikla. Apka isme kya gaya ?
Laykin mai apka enemy no 1 hai , mai apki gali se nikla. Aap mere upar bandook taan ke mereko escort kiya gali ke end tak kyuki apko dar laga ki mai ulta sedha karega kuch .
Waise hi indiam navy bhi escort karegi even beyond 2040

Beyond 2040 they will be in much advantageous situation with robust logistics and connectivity in SEA
Ap jo bol rahe hai woh ap 2040 ke pehle tak kar sakte hai
Post 2040 there won't be only 1 cbg but I guess Chinese will create an entire command for IOR with 3-4 cbg
Military bases surrounding us
Advanced weapons deployed on the overseas bases
Their intentions are very clear regarding IOR in long term
BUT WE SHOULDN'T IGNORE INDIAN NAVY'S POWER EXPANSION AND COUNTER SYSTEMS BUT AGAIN WE HAVE NO OTHER CHOICE THAN BEING DEFENSIVE BCOZ THAT'S IN OUR ATTITUDE
I REPEAT WE CANT DISREGARD INDIAN NAVY'S DENIAL POWER

 

[Fatalis]

Define sufficient.

For example in this pic, you can see 16 x UVLM cells and 16 x Barak-8 cells. The UVLMs are taking up almost twice as much space:

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That's the point. For all the extra space you're wasting, in the end you only get to carry 1 missile per cell with the UVLM.





It's more than that - look at the pic above. Does it look like 4 x Barak tubes can fit inside each of the UVLM hatches?

From my point of view following are the sufficient numbers:

Type	UVLS
P-15A, P-15B	32-40
P-17, P-17A, P-17AU	24-32
NGMV, NGC	08-16

Also, I am not sure about the authenticity of the source but it was mentioned there that a design study was done in 2017 to check fitting and loading of SAMs in the UVLM. This image was also added there.

 

[Rassil Krishnan]

Name	Length	Width	Height
MK-41	635 mm	635 mm	7.696 m
Mk-57	711 mm	711 mm	7.93 m
KVLS-I	635 mm	635 mm	7.693 m
KVLS-II	850 mm	850 mm	9.8 m
Chinese CCP VLS	850 mm	850 mm	9 m
UVLM	1000 mm	1000 mm	9.5 m

All the dimensions are of a single cell.

Our UVLM is the largest and IMO it will form the base of now under development UVLS. I also read somewhere that there were studies going on to test the quad-pack solution in the current UVLM for SAMs.

when was this UVLM dimensions released,is this official from drdo ? any prototypes?

 

[Bhaubai]

 

[Gessler]

From my point of view following are the sufficient numbers:

Type	UVLS
P-15A, P-15B	32-40
P-17, P-17A, P-17AU	24-32
NGMV, NGC	08-16

Also, I am not sure about the authenticity of the source but it was mentioned there that a design study was done in 2017 to check fitting and loading of SAMs in the UVLM. This image was also added there.
View attachment 175471

Development of a true Universal VLS system is already underway - it was confirmed by the DRDO director himself in official publications. But there is no information regarding:

1) Whether this uses the UVLM external casing, or a new, smaller one. I think it would be the latter due to space constraint issues I mentioned before.

2) Whether the new UVLS will have any provision for quad-packing of still smaller missiles like VL-SRSAM. Common sense (if we follow the established American & Chinese models) dictates that it should - however, don't underestimate our capacity for stupidity either, or our lack of clear planning & foresight.

I'm aware of the source you mention - I myself am a moderator on that forum. As you said, it's only a study and nobody knows what came of it.

The picture however, is only for illustration purposes - it's taken from a 2016 (or earlier) Chinese publication regarding the VLS on their Type-055 DDG, nothing to do with our UVLM:

国产防空新弹性能直逼改进型海麻雀，一坑四弹不是梦

WeChat ID qqmiljwt Intro 腾讯网军事频道出品。专业军事评论，解码环球军情。 美国“改进型海麻雀”（ESSM）导弹以其50公里的射程和高机动性，成为了美国和西方海军目前最有效的中近距离防空反导武器。加之具有一坑四弹的集束装弹能力，使安装了MK41垂直发射系统的军舰，拥有了其他战舰4倍的载弹量，也就是说要实现32发备弹，诸如红旗-16、紫苑-15这样的…

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[Fatalis]

Development of a true Universal VLS system is already underway - it was confirmed by the DRDO director himself in official publications. But there is no information regarding:

1) Whether this uses the UVLM external casing, or a new, smaller one. I think it would be the latter due to space constraint issues I mentioned before.

2) Whether the new UVLS will have any provision for quad-packing of still smaller missiles like VL-SRSAM. Common sense (if we follow the established American & Chinese models) dictates that it should - however, don't underestimate our capacity for stupidity either, or our lack of clear planning & foresight.

I'm aware of the source you mention - I myself am a moderator on that forum. As you said, it's only a study and nobody knows what came of it.

The picture however, is only for illustration purposes - it's taken from a 2016 (or earlier) Chinese publication regarding the VLS on their Type-055 DDG, nothing to do with our UVLM:

国产防空新弹性能直逼改进型海麻雀，一坑四弹不是梦

WeChat ID qqmiljwt Intro 腾讯网军事频道出品。专业军事评论，解码环球军情。 美国“改进型海麻雀”（ESSM）导弹以其50公里的射程和高机动性，成为了美国和西方海军目前最有效的中近距离防空反导武器。加之具有一坑四弹的集束装弹能力，使安装了MK41垂直发射系统的军舰，拥有了其他战舰4倍的载弹量，也就是说要实现32发备弹，诸如红旗-16、紫苑-15这样的…

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Thank you for pointing the issues of my post and rectifying it with an authentic source.

Much appreciated.

I was just putting my thoughts on the UVLS but yeah let's wait for the official thing.

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

This idiot will keep quoting bad availability rates based on a 6 year old CAG report.
The current availability rates for Mig 29K avre around 70%.

All Issues Pertaining to Serviceability of MiG-29K Sorted Out - Indian Navy

He blocked me immediately after I called out his hitjob article on QRSAM.

 

[Bhaubai]

ICG dornier and alh mk4 rescuing mig 29k pilot

 

[Aditya Ballal]

ICG dornier and alh mk4 rescuing mig 29k pilot

ICG Dornier and Navy ALH MK3. MK4 is Rudra.

 

[Aditya Ballal]

INS Vikrant’s fleet operationalisation integration trials to begin shortly with WNC.

Mig 29K with a German Mototok Electric Towbarless Pushback/Towing tug.

 

[Aditya Ballal]

INS Vikrant’s fleet operationalisation integration trials to begin shortly with WNC.
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Mig 29K with a German Mototok Electric Towbarless Pushback/Towing tug.

Why Mototok is the future of pushback tugs

Pushback operations can be time consuming procedures – not least because of conventional pushback tugs. Read all about how an electric remotely controlled pushback tug will revolutionize pushback operations as we know them.

www.mototok.com

 

[Fatalis]

Warships under construction/trials:

Name	Quantity	Builder
Kalvari class SSK	2​	MDL
Tushil class Frigates	2​	Yantar Shipyard
Triput class Frigates	2​	GSL
Nilgiri class Frigates	7​	MDL + GRSE
Vishakhapatnam class Destroyers	3​	MDL
ASWSWC Corvettes	16​	CSL + GRSE(L&T)
MPV	2​	L&T
Anvesh	1​	CSL
Sandhyak class SVL	4​	GRSE(L&T)
Nistar class DSV	2​	HSL
Total	41​

Some other ships are also under construction but are not counted in the total by IN. They are:

• Arihant class = 02
• Diving Support Craft = 05
• Missile Cum Ammunition Barges = 08
• Ammunition cum Torpedo cum Missile Barges = 11

 

[nixin]

 

[iNorthernerOn9]

So... after exercises by all army commands on western front... now it's the Navy's turn(elements from IAF also participated)... you can read... every item on the menu was present in this exercise

 

[R A Varun]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/PathtoPride?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#PathtoPride</a><a href="https://twitter.com/indiannavy?ref_src=twsrc^tfw">@IndianNavy</a> showcasing next generation Combat Management System in <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/DefExpo22?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#DefExpo22</a> . <br>Design caters for optimal interoperability targeting manned-unmanned teaming operations. <br>An Integrated Combat System evolving new age warfare. <br> <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Technologyforfuture?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#Technologyforfuture</a><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/AatmanirbharBharat?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#AatmanirbharBharat</a> <a href="https://t.co/K6OrLrcZBX">pic.twitter.com/K6OrLrcZBX</a></p>&mdash; IN (@IndiannavyMedia) <a href="">October 14, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[FalconSlayers]

So... after exercises by all army commands on western front... now it's the Navy's turn(elements from IAF also participated)... you can read... every item on the menu was present in this exercise

 

[Indx TechStyle]

Point is not to defeat us
Point is to exert influence on other countries especially IOR which they can do very easily
Controlling other nations policies and challenging us is their long term goal
Ok till 2040 they won't be able to fight us in IOR but after that when they would have been the most powerful nations on this world with excellent sea based logistics
But in short term they can deploy cbg without any problems and try to reduce our influence

They will certainly patrol IOR always, though they won't be able to defeat Indian navy in IOR either after 2040 even if we account current position of Indian navy vis a vis, leave alone Indian navy in 2040s which would have double the number of ships it has today.

Nor it would be an intelligent thing to patrol Indian Ocean with a CBG given anti ship and anti submarine capabilities and proximity of India.

 

[NoobWannaLearn]