Indian Navy Developments & Discussions

[Aditya Ballal]

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[Aniruddha Mulay]

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Comes with its own set of restrictions, cannot be used for offensive purposes but only for surveillance and reconnaissance

 

[jai jaganath]

Comes with its own set of restrictions, cannot be used for offensive purposes but only for surveillance and reconnaissance

Is it necessary
I mean other ship don't have
Will it help drastically in operation capability
Our ships don't have it and they are working fine
What's its operation

 

[Aniruddha Mulay]

Is it necessary
I mean other ship don't have
Will it help drastically in operation capability
Our ships don't have it and they are working fine
What's its operation

Beyond tiding up the ship's mast and reducing the RCS, I don't think it serves any purpose, I maybe wrong however.

 

[binayak95]

Comes with its own set of restrictions, cannot be used for offensive purposes but only for surveillance and reconnaissance

Eh? What?

 

[binayak95]

Is it necessary
I mean other ship don't have
Will it help drastically in operation capability
Our ships don't have it and they are working fine
What's its operation

They are indeed working fine, while having an massive RCS. Integrated masts are something that IN has been trying to implement for atleast a decade now, this will be a major breakthrough

 

[binayak95]

Beyond tiding up the ship's mast and reducing the RCS, I don't think it serves any purpose, I maybe wrong however.

And improves power consumption, reduces EMI/EMC clutter, makes for lower top weight.

 

[iNorthernerOn9]

(Source: Trishul-trident)

The first-ever military-technical/military-industrial cooperation projects between India and Japan have now entered the negotiations stage, after being green-lighted by the second Japan-India 2 + 2 Foreign and Defence Ministerial Meeting in Tokyo on September 8, 2022 (held between Minister for Foreign Affairs of Japan, Yoshimasa Hayashi, Minister of Defense of Japan, Yasukazu Hamada, Minister of Defence of India, Rajnath Singh and Minister of External Affairs of India, Dr S Jaishankar), with the Sixth India-Japan Joint Working Group on Defence Equipment and Technology Cooperation also being held concurrently.

The principal cooperating agencies from the two sides will be India’s Defence R & D Organisation (DRDO), the Indian Navy’s (IN) Weapons & Electronics Systems Engineering Establishment (WESEE) and Japan’s Japan's Acquisition, Technology & Logistics Agency (ATLA). Together, the two will mentor and handhold the concerned military-industrial entities of both countries that will cooperate in developing two customised products: an integrated mast for the IN’s future principal surface combatants; and a new-generation Combat Information Centre (CIC) making widespread use of augmented reality technologies.

These two end-products will find application on board the IN’s projected seven Project17AU upgraded FFGs worth Rs.25,000 crore, five projected NG-DDGs worth Rs.50,000 crore and eight NGCs worth Rs.33,000 crore. The NORA-50 UNIted COmbined Radio aNtenna (UNICORN) integrated mast, which is already on board the 30FFM FFGs (22 to be procured) of Japan’s Maritime Self-Defense Force, features a bar-shaped dome that houses the antennae for tactical data-links, tactical air navigation system (TACAN), communications suites and ESM/EW/ELINT suites. The UNICORN has a shape designed to reduce the radar cross section (RCS), which makes it stealthy.

The ‘Advanced Integrated CIC’, developed by Mitsubishi Electric Co (MELCO), contains the OYQ-1 combat management system (CMS) and OYX-1-29 information display & processing system (IDPS). It features a circular arrangement and comprises an outer rim, with 14 multifunction consoles (plus two extra seats), all facing the wall; and three rows at the centre of the circular arrangement comprising a central helm station, four additional multifunction consoles (likely for the commanding officer and his XO), and two large horizontal tactical tables likely for cooperative mission planning and navigation purposes. According to MELCO, the 360° giant screen can be used to display the direct surroundings of the FFG by fusing the feed and data from the many on-board optronic and radar sensors.

Such augmented reality technology will greatly assist the crew in the field of navigation, asymmetric warfare and even in the phase of launch and recovery of unmanned surface vehicles. In addition, the ‘video wall’ can display any and all information typically displayed on multifunction consoles. For instance, information from the engine control room, and typically displayed as part of the integrated platform management system (IPMS), can now be displayed in the CIC thanks to the video wall. Also, tasks such as engine control, damage control and fire-fighting control can now be undertaken from inside the CIC. The two large tables with built-in monitors and touch-screen controls will prove useful for examining digitised navigational charts (ECDIS) and other situational awareness data collaboratively.

 

[Fatalis]

(Source: Trishul-trident)

The first-ever military-technical/military-industrial cooperation projects between India and Japan have now entered the negotiations stage, after being green-lighted by the second Japan-India 2 + 2 Foreign and Defence Ministerial Meeting in Tokyo on September 8, 2022 (held between Minister for Foreign Affairs of Japan, Yoshimasa Hayashi, Minister of Defense of Japan, Yasukazu Hamada, Minister of Defence of India, Rajnath Singh and Minister of External Affairs of India, Dr S Jaishankar), with the Sixth India-Japan Joint Working Group on Defence Equipment and Technology Cooperation also being held concurrently.

The principal cooperating agencies from the two sides will be India’s Defence R & D Organisation (DRDO), the Indian Navy’s (IN) Weapons & Electronics Systems Engineering Establishment (WESEE) and Japan’s Japan's Acquisition, Technology & Logistics Agency (ATLA). Together, the two will mentor and handhold the concerned military-industrial entities of both countries that will cooperate in developing two customised products: an integrated mast for the IN’s future principal surface combatants; and a new-generation Combat Information Centre (CIC) making widespread use of augmented reality technologies.

These two end-products will find application on board the IN’s projected seven Project17AU upgraded FFGs worth Rs.25,000 crore, five projected NG-DDGs worth Rs.50,000 crore and eight NGCs worth Rs.33,000 crore. The NORA-50 UNIted COmbined Radio aNtenna (UNICORN) integrated mast, which is already on board the 30FFM FFGs (22 to be procured) of Japan’s Maritime Self-Defense Force, features a bar-shaped dome that houses the antennae for tactical data-links, tactical air navigation system (TACAN), communications suites and ESM/EW/ELINT suites. The UNICORN has a shape designed to reduce the radar cross section (RCS), which makes it stealthy.

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The ‘Advanced Integrated CIC’, developed by Mitsubishi Electric Co (MELCO), contains the OYQ-1 combat management system (CMS) and OYX-1-29 information display & processing system (IDPS). It features a circular arrangement and comprises an outer rim, with 14 multifunction consoles (plus two extra seats), all facing the wall; and three rows at the centre of the circular arrangement comprising a central helm station, four additional multifunction consoles (likely for the commanding officer and his XO), and two large horizontal tactical tables likely for cooperative mission planning and navigation purposes. According to MELCO, the 360° giant screen can be used to display the direct surroundings of the FFG by fusing the feed and data from the many on-board optronic and radar sensors.

Such augmented reality technology will greatly assist the crew in the field of navigation, asymmetric warfare and even in the phase of launch and recovery of unmanned surface vehicles. In addition, the ‘video wall’ can display any and all information typically displayed on multifunction consoles. For instance, information from the engine control room, and typically displayed as part of the integrated platform management system (IPMS), can now be displayed in the CIC thanks to the video wall. Also, tasks such as engine control, damage control and fire-fighting control can now be undertaken from inside the CIC. The two large tables with built-in monitors and touch-screen controls will prove useful for examining digitised navigational charts (ECDIS) and other situational awareness data collaboratively.

I am having one doubt. One source is saying they will share Unicorn. PSG is saying we will be collaborating on I-Mast and CIC.

Anyone having more insight on this?

 

[flanker99]

 

[Dark Sorrow]

INS Vikrant seen with next-gen powered towing tugs for Deck-based fighter jets

Developer and manufacturer of electric aircraft tugs for aircraft and helicopters based out of Germany ” Mototok” has sent its electrically powered towing tugs for product demonstration onboard India’s Aircraft carrier where it was seen moving deck-based Mig-29K fighter jet to its position by a Radio remotely controlled operator.


Mototok LB Series can move aircraft weighing 50 tons with the nose wheel of the aircraft that’s not weighing more than 7.5-tons. LB-series comes with a Full electric drive, Radio remotely controlled operation using only one operator that can park aircraft in congested spaces like the deck of an aircraft carrier much more tiddly without wasting space.


India has been using conventional tow tractors with tow bars on aircraft carriers like INS Vikramaditya where Turning the nose wheel is only possible when the aircraft is moved backward or forwards. Such traditional equipment requires two or three-man operations and the aircraft has to be moved several meters for the nose gear to turn and move the aircraft into another direction. This in turn increases the space needed for extensive maneuvering.

INS Vikrant seen with next-gen powered towing tugs for Deck-based fighter jets – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

 

[nixin]

Near Karwar (Karnataka) ,our upcoming biggest naval base

Spoiler: SOURCE TWEET

 

[charlie]

Beyond tiding up the ship's mast and reducing the RCS, I don't think it serves any purpose, I maybe wrong however.

It helps a lot actually, reduces maintenance time, don’t have run cable all over the ship, sweeping becomes easy it’s a huge advantage when it comes to operation and maintenanc.

on design part the most expensive stuff on ship is the real estate, it’s frees up lot of real estate.

i didnt read about the technology but it is possible that it mmight have multiple input and multiple output at antenna end and just one cable going to antenna.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Beyond tiding up the ship's mast and reducing the RCS, I don't think it serves any purpose, I maybe wrong however.

Aren't this the most import aspect in modern ships.

1. Reduced RCS - Increases stealth which intern increases serviceability
2. Tiding up the ship's mast - Will reduce maintenance, increase availability and lower the upkeep of the ship
3. This is will also help optimize the EMF/RF profile of the ship - This will impreve senstivity of other sensors, help in ELINT/SIGINT operaton

 

[RoaringTigerHiddenDragon]

INS Vikrant seen with next-gen powered towing tugs for Deck-based fighter jets


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Developer and manufacturer of electric aircraft tugs for aircraft and helicopters based out of Germany ” Mototok” has sent its electrically powered towing tugs for product demonstration onboard India’s Aircraft carrier where it was seen moving deck-based Mig-29K fighter jet to its position by a Radio remotely controlled operator.


Mototok LB Series can move aircraft weighing 50 tons with the nose wheel of the aircraft that’s not weighing more than 7.5-tons. LB-series comes with a Full electric drive, Radio remotely controlled operation using only one operator that can park aircraft in congested spaces like the deck of an aircraft carrier much more tiddly without wasting space.


India has been using conventional tow tractors with tow bars on aircraft carriers like INS Vikramaditya where Turning the nose wheel is only possible when the aircraft is moved backward or forwards. Such traditional equipment requires two or three-man operations and the aircraft has to be moved several meters for the nose gear to turn and move the aircraft into another direction. This in turn increases the space needed for extensive maneuvering.

INS Vikrant seen with next-gen powered towing tugs for Deck-based fighter jets – Indian Defence Research Wing

idrw.org

Hmmmm….how come we are unable to develop such products? This is not all that cutting edge tech. Clear shows that our manufacturing industry needs to expand a lot more, a lot quickly.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Hmmmm….how come we are unable to develop such products? This is not all that cutting edge tech. Clear shows that our manufacturing industry needs to expand a lot more, a lot quickly.

The problem in India we don't have R&D and manufacturing mentality.
In India their is a lot of trading mentality. Our import lobby are the best examples of this.
The fact is R&D is hard. Its is capital intensive, time intensive and successful results are not always guaranteed.
Manufacturing activity is also riddled with lot of difficulties. Trading comparatively is very simple and have quick return of investment.

 

[Blademaster]

Aren't this the most import aspect in modern ships.

1. Reduced RCS - Increases stealth which intern increases serviceability
2. Tiding up the ship's mast - Will reduce maintenance, increase availability and lower the upkeep of the ship
3. This is will also help optimize the EMF/RF profile of the ship - This will impreve senstivity of other sensors, help in ELINT/SIGINT operaton

Good post Dark Sorrow. Despite our disagreements with respect to the Russia-Ukraine conflict, I can appreciate a good post when I see one. Good job Dark Sorrow.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Good post Dark Sorrow. Despite our disagreements with respect to the Russia-Ukraine conflict, I can appreciate a good post. Good job Dark Sorrow.

We don't need to see eye-to-eye on every issue.
People can have different view, opinion and belief. Their is nothing wrong with that.

 

[NutCracker]

Yeah there is no way US would sell any variant of F-35 to India as long as it has S-400s.

But S-400 are no-where placed near sea.. apart of some part of Gujarat.

So F35B are not exactly out of picture as per your reasoning.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Yeah there is no way US would sell any variant of F-35 to India as long as it has S-400s.

Can anyone confirm is their a communication link of S-400 back to Russia to give RCS of tacked aircraft?

If this is true Rafale, AMCA's and Tejas's RCS would be compromised.

Russia would be more than willing to sell this RCS data to PRC for right price.