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Indian Navy offered Maritime version of Global Hawk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Northrop Grumman has received and responded to Request for Information (RFI) issued recently by Indian Ministry of defence. Northrop Grumman has received necessary permission from United States government and has offered MQ-4C, which is a modified version of combat proven Global Hawk, improvised for the Maritime surveillance.
MQ-4C also known as Broad Area Maritime Surveillance (BAMS) UAV based on Global Hawk and will complement the 737 based Multimission Maritime Aircraft (MMA), the P-8A Poseidon.
Indian Navy has already ordered 12 of P-8I which is an export variant of the P-8A Poseidon which US Navy will be operating ,which they will be replacing their older turbo prop based P-3 Maritime surveillance aircraft .
MQ-4C Area Maritime Surveillance (BAMS) UAV will have 36 hour endurance and will be able to operate up to 60000 ft against strong winds and severe weather, and has a payload of 3200 LB .MQ-4C will have 2D AESA radar providing it 360 degree coverage over vast section of the ocean.
MQ-4C will provide Indian Navy, a tactical platform which will be able to scan large section of Indian Ocean for Hostile surface and Submarine fleet, and it also will be operationally be quite cheaper to operate than a manned surveillance aircraft.
Indian Navy offered Maritime version of Global Hawk | idrw.org
 

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Does IN have any land-based (naval) airbase? I know of INS Hansa, but that's for training. Airbases in the Andamans and the Lakshadeeps would be really a good deal. The recon planes like P 8Is, the UAVs and even naval fighters can operate from these bases.
dunno why you think hansa is a training base. harriers, IL-38, Do-228 and mig-29k are based there.
Bharat-Rakshak.com :: NAVY - INS Hansa
INS rajali will host the P-8. both these can handle the IL-38 and Tu-142M.

then there's a helo base at INS Shikra, mumbai.

a nice series of articles on naval aviation by late B Harry. Indian Naval Aviation - Part 1
 

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I meant something like INS Hansa, but for recon and combat operations only. Bases in the Andaman/ Nicobar, in the Lakshwadip, on the mainland ...
 

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Navy not to ground MiG-29K fighters

With Russia holding that the crash of a MiG-29K in Astrakhan region on June 23, which killed two pilots, was not due to any technical defect, India does not plan to ground its fleet of these naval fighters.

"We have got feedback from Russia (MiG Corporation) that the crash was due to 'pilot error'," said Navy chief Admiral Nirmal Verma.

The Russian pilots were apparently taking the MiG-29K, which was a twin-seater trainer version of the fighter, through some high-speed intricate combat manoeuvres at a height much lower than what was needed and could not pull out of a dive in time.

The Navy has already inducted 11 of the 45 MiG-29K fighters ordered from Russia for over $2 billion, with pilots beginning training on them at Goa ahead of the delivery of the 44,570-tonne INS Vikramaditya or the refitted Admiral Gorshkov in early-2013.

The MiG-29s, which the IAF has operated for well over two decades, have had a slightly patchy track record. Russia, for instance, was forced to ground a major chunk of its MiG-29 fleet due to structural defects, which included disintegration of their tail fins.

IAF inducted over 70 twin-engined MiG-29s from 1986 onwards but has lost several of them in crashes, though these fighters are not as accident-prone as the single-engined MiG-21s or MiG-23s. Incidentally, 63 MiG-29s of IAF are to be progressively upgraded under a $964 million contract signed with Russia in March 2008.



Navy not to ground MiG-29K fighters - The Times of India
 

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First production P-8A airframe makes flight debut
By Stephen Trimble


Seven months after contract award, Boeing has flown the first of 117 P-8A production airframes that will be delivered during the next eight years.
The first of six aircraft ordered in January for the first batch of low-rate initial production (LRIP-1) completed its maiden flight on 7 July after taking off from Renton Field, Washington, USA, Boeing announced on 19 July.
The 737-800ERX, modified to perform the US Navy's anti-submarine warfare mission, landed at nearby Boeing Field 3h later, where Boeing will install its mission system suite.

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Boeing has also finished building six flight-test and two ground-test airframes during the seven-year-old system development and demonstration phase.
The LRIP-1 production model is the first P-8A airframe to incorporate the CFM56-7BE engine.

The aircraft must be delivered to the navy in 2012 and Boeing is still on schedule, Chuck Dabundo, Boeing vice-president and P-8 programme manager, said.
The first operational unit is scheduled to be ready for combat in fiscal year 2013.
The P-8A will replace the majority of the US Navy's Lockheed Martin P-3C Orion fleet.
 

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I am not sure if we have compared the Mig-29K with other naval fighters - head to head - like the F/A-18 SH, M-Rafale, Su-33 or the J-15. Especially with the J-15 ...
 

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I am not sure if we have compared the Mig-29K with other naval fighters - head to head - like the F/A-18 SH, M-Rafale, Su-33 or the J-15. Especially with the J-15 ...
Well the thing is MiG 29K is good for us....it is comparable to F 18 SH and Rafale M. But you must remember an important thing that the F 18 and the Rafale M are already reployed and MiG 29k is yet to be.
 

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And why do you claim that Mig-29K is GOOD for us? It is not coming free with the Gorshky - IN is actually paying for it - as a part of the deal. IN also has to pay for the weapons package - NOT part of the deal.

The Tribune, Chandigarh, India - Nation

The Mig-29K is an unproven aircraft, with unproven weapons and unproven operators (A generation of IN pilots who have never flown a combat ready Mig-29 from a carrier), being launched from an unproven platform like Gorshky. Why do you think it is the best we could get? If MoD had been smart, they would have bought the Gorshky and got it fitted with a CATOBAR with help from the French/ USA in return for a deal for m-Rafale or F-18SH. In the meantime the IN pilots could have got trained on the aircraft (since it is already operational). That way, half the uncertainty would go away.
Now, all we have is a 4-5 year late Carrier (still unproven), a bunch of Mig-29Ks (unproven) without adequate weapons and a bunch of IN pilots, sitting around twiddling their thumbs with carrier-less toothless equipment.
I think someone should kick the shit out of the MoD and IN "planners" for shit like this.
 

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Does anyone have idea what kind of weapons load the Mig-29K (or the N-LCA) can carry when they take off from the ski-lift surfaces of Gorshky or the IAC-1 ?
In general the takeoff weight is limited due to low take-off speed - even the fuel is limited to reduce the weight, so is the weapons load.
Any idea about the range after take-off from the carrier too?
 

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Does anyone have idea what kind of weapons load the Mig-29K (or the N-LCA) can carry when they take off from the ski-lift surfaces of Gorshky or the IAC-1 ?
In general the takeoff weight is limited due to low take-off speed - even the fuel is limited to reduce the weight, so is the weapons load.
Any idea about the range after take-off from the carrier too?

Vympel R-73 air-to-air missile (30 Km)Python-5 (very short range)
Derby Missiles (upto 50 Km)
Astra (100 Km - Underdevelopment)
Kh-59-series stand-off strike weapons and Kh-35/31 anti-ship missiles.
etc.
 

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Thanks - but I was not asking about what different missiles they can carry. My question is about the loadout. Can the Mig-29K flying from the ski-lift carrier deck carry 6 hardpoints? Can it really take off with an anti-ship missile AND A2A missiles?
What about the N-LCA? Is there any info available about the loadout when it flies from a carrier?
 

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Thanks - but I was not asking about what different missiles they can carry. My question is about the loadout. Can the Mig-29K flying from the ski-lift carrier deck carry 6 hardpoints? Can it really take off with an anti-ship missile AND A2A missiles?
What about the N-LCA? Is there any info available about the loadout when it flies from a carrier?
Useful load is about 2000kg on a half tank, you can carry a Kh-31 and a couple R-23s in an ASM role or more depending on how much fuel.
 

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