Indian Naval Aviation

[ace009]

What does the harriers carry in IN Kunal?

 

[nitesh]

news.outlookindia.com | Navy Field Evaluates Upgraded Choppers

Indian Navy is in the process of field evaluation trials as part of its upgradation of choppers Sea King and Kamov in its fleet, Chief of Naval Staff Admiral Nirmal Verma said today.

 

[arya]

And why do you claim that Mig-29K is GOOD for us? It is not coming free with the Gorshky - IN is actually paying for it - as a part of the deal. IN also has to pay for the weapons package - NOT part of the deal.

The Tribune, Chandigarh, India - Nation

The Mig-29K is an unproven aircraft, with unproven weapons and unproven operators (A generation of IN pilots who have never flown a combat ready Mig-29 from a carrier), being launched from an unproven platform like Gorshky. Why do you think it is the best we could get? If MoD had been smart, they would have bought the Gorshky and got it fitted with a CATOBAR with help from the French/ USA in return for a deal for m-Rafale or F-18SH. In the meantime the IN pilots could have got trained on the aircraft (since it is already operational). That way, half the uncertainty would go away.
Now, all we have is a 4-5 year late Carrier (still unproven), a bunch of Mig-29Ks (unproven) without adequate weapons and a bunch of IN pilots, sitting around twiddling their thumbs with carrier-less toothless equipment.
I think someone should kick the shit out of the MoD and IN "planners" for shit like this.

we cant change history mistake but we can do some thing better , don t you think we should increase our number and quality

nothing is free in the world

 

[ace009]

Yeah - I think we should get the F/A-18 SH or the M-Rafale or the F-35 JSF for our N-MMRCA - one of these three and only one of these three.

 

[Zebra]

Indian Navy Planning To Issue a Request for Proposal for Procuring 56 Light Utility Helicopters

Posted on: November 24, 2011

Looking to replace its ageing fleet of Chetak helicopters, the Indian Navy is planning to issue a global Request for Proposal (RFP) worth over USD 800 million for procuring 56 Light Utility Helicopters in the first quarter of next year.
"The Staff Qualitative requirements have been frozen and we are hoping to issue the global tender in this regard by the end of first quarter next year," Navy sources said to Defencenow.com.
The IAF and the Army have already completed their field evaluation trials for procuring 197 Reconnaissance and Search Helicopters (RSH) and the tender is in its final stages. The two services are looking for single engine choppers.
Navy officials said they are looking for twin-engine choppers as they would be required to operate over maritime zone.
"Two power plants provide additional safety to the chopper in case one of the engines fails over sea where you don't have the option of landing anywhere other than the ship deck," they said.

The request for Information for this procurement was issued twice. First was issued in late 2010 whereas the second was done in March this year.
The companies who have responded to the RFI include Eurocopter, Agusta Westland, Sikorsky, Russian Kamov and American Bell helicopters.
The helicopters will be used for both shore-based and offshore operations and the Navy has specified they should be capable of operating from small decks and larger decks (up to aircraft carrier) in adverse weather by day and night.

It also wants the choppers to be operated from snow-covered surface, sleet, sand, water and slush.

Indian Navy Planning To Issue a Request for Proposal for Procuring 56 Light Utility Helicopters - Defence Now

 

[SPIEZ]

Indian Navy Planning To Issue a Request for Proposal for Procuring 56 Light Utility Helicopters

Posted on: November 24, 2011

Looking to replace its ageing fleet of Chetak helicopters, the Indian Navy is planning to issue a global Request for Proposal (RFP) worth over USD 800 million for procuring 56 Light Utility Helicopters in the first quarter of next year.
"The Staff Qualitative requirements have been frozen and we are hoping to issue the global tender in this regard by the end of first quarter next year," Navy sources said to Defencenow.com.
The IAF and the Army have already completed their field evaluation trials for procuring 197 Reconnaissance and Search Helicopters (RSH) and the tender is in its final stages. The two services are looking for single engine choppers.
Navy officials said they are looking for twin-engine choppers as they would be required to operate over maritime zone.
"Two power plants provide additional safety to the chopper in case one of the engines fails over sea where you don't have the option of landing anywhere other than the ship deck," they said.

The request for Information for this procurement was issued twice. First was issued in late 2010 whereas the second was done in March this year.
The companies who have responded to the RFI include Eurocopter, Agusta Westland, Sikorsky, Russian Kamov and American Bell helicopters.
The helicopters will be used for both shore-based and offshore operations and the Navy has specified they should be capable of operating from small decks and larger decks (up to aircraft carrier) in adverse weather by day and night.

It also wants the choppers to be operated from snow-covered surface, sleet, sand, water and slush.

Indian Navy Planning To Issue a Request for Proposal for Procuring 56 Light Utility Helicopters - Defence Now

Whatever happened to the Naval Dhruv

 

[Kunal Biswas]

What does the harriers carry in IN Kunal?

Anti-Ship: Sea Eagle ASM

A2A : Debry and Magic2

A2G: Rocket Pods, Cannons..

 

[Zebra]

Whatever happened to the Naval Dhruv

The RFI was sent to Eurocopter, AgustaWestland, the Bell Helicopter Kamov Co and Sikorsky . This RFI was for 56 light utility helicopters .

I think , IN Navy wants 120 + light utility helos , so rest will be Dhruv .

 

[SPIEZ]

The RFI was sent to Eurocopter, AgustaWestland, the Bell Helicopter Kamov Co and Sikorsky . This RFI was for 56 light utility helicopters .

I think , IN Navy wants 120 + light utility helos , so rest will be Dhruv .

IMO, the Dhruvs I thought were meant to replace the aging Chetak's. Surprised that isn't the case.

 

[Zebra]

IMO, the Dhruvs I thought were meant to replace the aging Chetak's. Surprised that isn't the case.

Indian Navy had some issues with Dhruv in anti submarine role , hence antisubmarine version will not be inducted .

As per the navy , Dhruv does not not suit the requirements of the Indian Navy in anti-submarine role .

I saw an article , but at this moment can't re-call it , where I saw it .

 

[Kunal Biswas]

They need replacement for Sea King, Dhruv is not the Answer, Simple as that..

Dhruv production line is slow, So Navy send a RFI..

120 is too less for Indian Navy..

 

[Zebra]

Correct me Kunal , if I am wrong please ,
there are two different RFIs for IN ,

1) 16 multirole helicopters, + it can go ahead with a repeat order of 44 more . The MRH to replace its aging Sea King fleet .
2) 50/56 Light Utility Helicopters . To replace its ageing fleet of Chetak helicopters .

 

[Kunal Biswas]

True..

But their are land bases where Chetak operate mostly, Sea Kings are priority Helos on any ship, Dhruv and Cheatak are second..

 

[Zebra]

As per the new update / report / new thread : Navy gets ready to add more muscle

*India is all set to formally launch the hunt for over 75 heavy-duty "stealthy'' naval helicopters . The new helicopters, with an operational life of over 30 years, will replace the older Sea King helicopters and meet requirements of the expanding Navy. Their "primary roles'' will include anti-submarine and anti-surface warfare, special and commando operations, and amphibious assault and troop carriage.
The "secondary roles'', in turn, will include electronic intelligence and anti-piracy, search and rescue, casualty evacuation and external cargo carrying. Navy wants the helicopters to be equipped with advanced avionics and weapons suites - including state-of-the-art-radars, light-weight torpedoes, depth charges, 70mm rockets and 20mm guns -- to "detect, identify, classify and destroy'' aerial, surface and sub-surface threats.
*with more such helicopters being ordered after the first 75. An initial lot will be obtained off-the-shelf from abroad, while the rest will be manufactured in India with the foreign collaborator's help,'' an MoD source said."The NMRH, weighing 9-12.5 tonne each, will operate from the flight decks of frigates, destroyers and aircraft carriers. Five global aviation majors indicated their interest to our initial queries,'' said a source.
* The NMRH acquisition will be in addition to the ongoing procurement of 16 multi-role helicopters,
*Navy is also going in for new carrier-borne fighter jets, maritime patrol aircraft and drones . These include 45 Russian MiG-29Ks and 12 American P-8I long-range reconnaissance aircraft .

 

[sathya]

Indian navy looking to purchase more then 75 Naval helicopters

India is all set to formally launch the hunt for over 75 heavy-duty "stealthy" naval helicopters with potent anti-submarine and anti-warship warfare capabilities, as also customized for amphibious assaults and commando operations against conventional, terror, piracy and other threats.

The Defence Acquisitions Council, chaired by defence minister A K Antony, on Friday discussed the mega naval multi-role helicopter (NMRH) project, which is likely to cost well over $2 billion.

"The global tender for NMRH will be issued soon. The project is likely to get even bigger at a later stage, with more such helicopters being ordered after the first 75. An initial lot will be obtained off-the-shelf from abroad, while the rest will be manufactured in India with the foreign collaborator's help," an MoD source said.

The NMRH acquisition will be in addition to the ongoing Rs 2,000 crore procurement of 16 multi-role helicopters, wherein the field trial evaluation report of European NH-90 and American Sikorsky-70B is now being examined by MoD to select the final winner.

Navy is also going in for new carrier-borne fighter jets, maritime patrol aircraft and drones, which together will cost around Rs 85,000 crore. These include 45 Russian MiG-29Ks for $2 billion and 12 American P-8I long-range reconnaissance aircraft for over $3 billion.

With China looming large on the radar screen, India wants to build a powerful three-dimensional Navy to protect its geostrategic interests stretching from Hormuz Strait to Malacca Strait. As part of the over Rs 300,000 crore long-term naval plans, 48 warships are already on order, as first reported by TOI.

"The NMRH, weighing 9-12.5 tonne each, will operate from the flight decks of frigates, destroyers and aircraft carriers. Five global aviation majors indicated their interest to our initial queries," said a source.

The new helicopters, with an operational life of over 30 years, will replace the older Sea King helicopters and meet requirements of the expanding Navy. Their "primary roles" will include anti-submarine and anti-surface warfare, special and commando operations, and amphibious assault and troop carriage.

The "secondary roles", in turn, will include electronic intelligence and anti-piracy, search and rescue, casualty evacuation and external cargo carrying. Navy wants the helicopters to be equipped with advanced avionics and weapons suites – including state-of-the-art-radars, light-weight torpedoes, depth charges, 70mm rockets and 20mm guns — to "detect, identify, classify and destroy" aerial, surface and sub-surface threats.

Incidentally, the Indian armed forces are planning the induction of over 900 helicopters over the next 15 years. They include 384 light-utility and observation, 139 medium-lift, 114 light combat, 22 heavy-duty attack, 15 heavy-lift, 12 VVIP, five maritime early-warning and, of course, 186 Dhruv advanced light helicopters.

 

[SpArK]

Indian Navy chopper evacuates crew from Iranian vessel​

Mumbai: A Sea King helicopter from naval air station INS Shikra here was launched by the Indian Navy Tuesday for casualty evacuation of a crew member onboard an Iranian oil tanker, a defence official said Wednesday.


"The maritime operation centre here had received a fax Monday regarding a casualty onboard the MT Seeb, an Iranian oil tanker, which was enroute to China. One of the crew members, 30-year-old Armmaad Malik, was suffering from acute abdominal pain with traces of blood in his urine," the official said.





The vessel was then contacted and the status of the patient was telephonically checked by a doctor on duty and the condition was diagnosed as Haemuteria. "The condition of the patient was found to be stable. The ship was about 210 nautical miles from Mumbai and was directed to alter course and head towards Mumbai," the official said.


"A Sea King helicopter from INS Shikra was launched for casualty evacuation at first light Tuesday. The patient along with an escort from the ship was air lifted to Shikra and thereafter transferred to the naval hospital for urgent medical attention," the official added


IANS


Navy chopper evacuates crew from Iranian vessel

 

[noob101]

please forgive my ignorance im just a newbie but this is what i think of Indian naval aviation. the navy doesn't have the same funds as the IAF for R&D and procurement. which is why i can never understand their policy vis-a-vis the following points:

-most all navies around the world operate a standard helo for AEW, ASW and AsHW ops albeit with different equipment, where as we operate 3 different types of Kamov, and Seakings. until recently there hasn't been an effort to standardize them. also the numbers are insufficient for continued ops aboard ships during all deployments (note that there is an ongoing tender for 60 naval helos).

-The navy did spend many crores on the naval Dhruv knowing before hand that it needed a 10-12 t class helo for ASW, AEW & AsHw ops, in the end Naval Dhruv never materialized.

-Sea Harriers were almost never used to their full potential, we have had only one aircraft carrier for a while and it is my understanding that it can accommodate up to 30 harriers but due to many aircraft being lost we were never able to maintain this number. even when the RN were selling their old harriers none were purchased.

-Funding for the NLCA is also confusing to me to say the least, it might be well suited for carrier ops as a small aircraft but with limited range and payload its not a very effective strike fighter. also it isn't better than the mig-29k for air defense.
a carrier has only a limited no of aircraft that it can carry so you want to make sure that 2 criteria are always met 1) the full complement of aircraft are carried 2) the best type of aircraft are carried.

some of these problems are being corrected but i dont understand why the navy is still supporting the LCA when it can get better strike aircraft like Rafale for IAC-2

any comment are welcome thank you

 

[noob101]

IMO, the Dhruvs I thought were meant to replace the aging Chetak's. Surprised that isn't the case.

Dhruv is way to small to carry all the equipment & weapons needed in ASW role and it has problems with performace due to fordable blades, however it was stated that it would be used in a utility role but IMO it is too small for that too... best option would be to standardize the whole naval helo fleet with the same types operating in ASW, AEW, AsHW roles and a striped down version for utility roles. Dhruv is better suited for the CG as they can operate on the smaller ships, also they can operate on the smaller corvettes, OP vessels of the IN.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

-most all navies around the world operate a standard helo for AEW, ASW and AsHW ops albeit with different equipment, where as we operate 3 different types of Kamov, and Seakings. until recently there hasn't been an effort to standardize them. also the numbers are insufficient for continued ops aboard ships during all deployments (note that there is an ongoing tender for 60 naval helos).

-The navy did spend many crores on the naval Dhruv knowing before hand that it needed a 10-12 class helo for ASW, AEW & AsHw ops, in the end Naval Dhruv never materialized.

Originally Chetak was IN standered helo, Until Vikrant and Virrat received Sea-Kings from UK, According to IN Doctorine Helo on a Ship is for recon and Search and rescue operations untill recently studies suggerst Helo can be use for ASW and AWACS too within Indian forces, Therefore IN was looking for replacing Chetak by newer powerful multi-role platform, This where Dhruv came, Later it was decided a Sea King can preform better and hence more effective, Therfore Need for ASW Dhruv was not needed, In future we may see no Light helo at all on ships..

-Sea Harriers were almost never used to their full potential, we have had only one aircraft carrier for a while and it is my understanding that it can accommodate up to 30 harriers but due to many aircraft being lost we were never able to maintain this number. even when the RN were selling their old harriers none were purchased.

The reason can be of Age of Virrat and its operational limits, Also Vikramaditya and IAC-1 with Mig-29k and NLCA are will be operational soon..

-Funding for the NLCA is also confusing to me to say the least, it might be well suited for carrier ops as a small aircraft but with limited range and payload its not a very effective strike fighter. also it isn't better than the mig-29k for air defense.
a carrier has only a limited no of aircraft that it can carry so you want to make sure that 2 criteria are always met 1) the full complement of aircraft are carried 2) the best type of aircraft are carried.

some of these problems are being corrected but i dont understand why the navy is still supporting the LCA when it can get better strike aircraft like Rafale for IAC-2

Range is 3000km is not less, Payload is good enough for a light fighter but its more a AD fighter, I can say the same for MIG-29K, NLCA funding is their coz its Navy wish to support Indigenous hardware..

After MRCA over Navy will Launch its own MRCA where the most possible winner is Rafale..

 

[noob101]

Indian navy looking to purchase more then 75 Naval helicopters

India is all set to formally launch the hunt for over 75 heavy-duty "stealthy" naval helicopters with potent anti-submarine and anti-warship warfare capabilities, as also customized for amphibious assaults and commando operations against conventional, terror, piracy and other threats.

The NMRH acquisition will be in addition to the ongoing Rs 2,000 crore procurement of 16 multi-role helicopters, wherein the field trial evaluation report of European NH-90 and American Sikorsky-70B is now being examined by MoD to select the final winner.

I have tried to find differences between the 2 tenders and as far as i Know there isnt much other than the fact that one has to be "stealthy" why go for 2 different tenders for the same type of helo? MOD is probably going to send RFI to the same vendors as in the previous one my guess....