Indian Naval Aviation

[plugwater]

Yes that true.

After sometime, I just don't want to hear that IAI did pullout in a play to hasten the FireScout deal approval.

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Anyways, I think DRDO will not quit on Chetak conversion & future unmanned Helo programs.

Who cares !! As long as IN gets good weaponry i am happy. Sole loser will be DRDO.

 

[nrj]

Who cares !! As long as IN gets good weaponry i am happy. Sole loser will be DRDO.

Talking of good weaponary, FireScout had its goof recently in trials.

Lets hope they put things in competitive trials before calling it a deal.

 

[shuvo@y2k10]

the pak-fa is expected to be inducted in ruaf by 2015 and the fgfa is to be inducted in iaf by 2018-2020.now how soon do you think the navalized pak-fa and navalized fgfa will be inducted,considering the fact that it took sukhoi only 2 years to navalize the su-27 flanker in the 80s.

 

[nrj]

the pak-fa is expected to be inducted in ruaf by 2015 and the fgfa is to be inducted in iaf by 2018-2020.now how soon do you think the navalized pak-fa and navalized fgfa will be inducted,considering the fact that it took sukhoi only 2 years to navalize the su-27 flanker in the 80s.

Let it first develop then we can talk of its induction. Right now its like shooting in dark.

Apart from navalised version, we also need advanced catapult system to hook these fighters to carrier.

There are many factors including how strong IN feels the need to have carrier based 5th Gen fighter & how MoD responds to that. For now NLCA & NMRCA are top most priority.

Naval 5th Gen fighter for IN will take decade or so....

 

[ace009]

If IN is really serious about developing combat A/C assets, they should look at the current best navy, USN. The USN have 11 A/C carriers and have been maintaining naval aircraft for 60+ years. No other navy have even remotely as much experience and expertise as the USN. If the USN flies F/A-18 SH, with advanced avionics and LO then that is what IN should try to emulate.
The Su-33 is a huge bird for air defense - not a good multi-role fighter like the F/A-18 SH.

 

[Atul]

If IN is really serious about developing combat A/C assets, they should look at the current best navy, USN. The USN have 11 A/C carriers and have been maintaining naval aircraft for 60+ years. No other navy have even remotely as much experience and expertise as the USN. If the USN flies F/A-18 SH, with advanced avionics and LO then that is what IN should try to emulate.
The Su-33 is a huge bird for air defense - not a good multi-role fighter like the F/A-18 SH.

The Americans do have a experience & expertise in Naval Aviation that is un-challenged, yet they are looking ahead for the F-35 for their future requirements. the F/A-18 Super Hornet has already been seen to hamper the induction of the F-35 & hence any further demands for the same are not made.

The United States Marine Corps has avoided the Super Hornet program and their resistance is so high that they would rather fly old Navy F/A-18Cs that have been replaced with Super Hornets. This is said to be because they fear that any Super Hornet buys will be at the cost of the F-35B STOVL fighters that they intend to operate from amphibious ships.

 

[Atul]

this is what the US Navy is looking at after the F/A-18 (SH) & F-35B, the first conceptualized sixth generation air superiority fighter. which the US expects to begin replacing the Super Hornet max by 2025.

 

[ace009]

The Americans do have a experience & expertise in Naval Aviation that is un-challenged, yet they are looking ahead for the F-35 for their future requirements. the F/A-18 Super Hornet has already been seen to hamper the induction of the F-35 & hence any further demands for the same are not made.

The United States Marine Corps has avoided the Super Hornet program and their resistance is so high that they would rather fly old Navy F/A-18Cs that have been replaced with Super Hornets. This is said to be because they fear that any Super Hornet buys will be at the cost of the F-35B STOVL fighters that they intend to operate from amphibious ships.

The F/A-18 SH (E/F) is a much more advanced version than the F/A 18 Hornet (C/D). The only reason the US Marines are not using the SH is because they had a lower budget than the Navy and could not afford the SH when it was first launched. The US Marines have a MUCH MUCH smaller budget for aircraft than the US Navy and decided to go for the cheaper F-18 C/D versions (1999). After meeting the USN demands (delivery started in 1997 and finished in 2004), when the SH unit prices became lower, the F-35 program had already been started and again the Marines budget did not allow them to buy the SH, when they had already asked for and awarded budget for the F-35 STOVL program. Anyway, long story short, it was not so much the "performance" issues of the SH, rather budgetary constraints and program timings that decided whether the US Marines will use the SH or not.

Also, then following your logic, IN should opt for the F-35 program and wait for 10 years before the first one is delivered. Which means, the IAC2 and IAC3 will be sitting idle for 3-6 years without a proper aircraft to fit into it.

this is what the US Navy is looking at after the F/A-18 (SH) & F-35B, the first conceptualized sixth generation air superiority fighter. which the US expects to begin replacing the Super Hornet max by 2025.

That cannot be true. The F-35 naval versions will be delivered from 2018 onwards. There is no prototype of a 6th gen fighter flying anywhere and no way will the US congress let a multi-Billion dollar F-35 be replaced by a 6th gen fighter as early as 2025. The F-35s will be there till 2040, at which point, the 6th gen fighters will come in the USN. The USAF may get the 6th gen fighters sometime sooner (to replace the F-22s), but even that is not certain at this point.

 

[vikramrana_1812]

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Eastern Naval fleet..

 

[Atul]

The F/A-18 SH (E/F) is a much more advanced version than the F/A 18 Hornet (C/D). The only reason the US Marines are not using the SH is because they had a lower budget

Agreed, but the Procurement was ceased coz the Marines are more interested in the F-35, and do not want the Super Hornet to eat up the Funds & further delay the induction of the F-35.

Also, then following your logic, IN should opt for the F-35 program and wait for 10 years before the first one is delivered. Which means, the IAC2 and IAC3 will be sitting idle for 3-6 years without a proper aircraft to fit into it.

Our Defense Minister Mr. "AKA" has already publicly rejected any participation in the F-35 Project, so the Logic does not stand.

The Indian Navy has already invested handsomely in the MIG-29k & the Navalised Tejas, they are also looking out for the Rafale & the Typhoon. so my friend the IAC2 & IAC3 will not be sitting idle.

The F-35 naval versions will be delivered from 2018 onwards.There is no prototype of a 6th gen fighter flying anywhere and no way will the US congress let a multi-Billion dollar F-35 be replaced by a 6th gen fighter as early as 2025. The F-35s will be there till 2040, at which point, the 6th gen fighters will come in the USN. The USAF may get the 6th gen fighters sometime sooner (to replace the F-22s), but even that is not certain at this point.

Yes there is no Prototype ready so that does not mean to project is not conceptualized, Russia & China are fast closing in the gap and we will soon see them upgrade their fighter jets to the 5th Generation. (even India & Japan are attempting to have their own 5th generation Jet)

So do you think the US will be left behind, the race never ends when you are the only Super Power in the world & see others catching up with you.

Infact the time gap will always reduce, from one generation to another. coz technology is volatile, there are countries cutting the technology gap & how can US be left behind..

& no one is perfect, i can also be wrong with my logic...

 

[maomao]

Eastern Naval fleet..

WOW look at the background.....Its a naval Armada!!

 

[lambu]

can any one please tell me which fighter plane is this in this picture ? jaguar ?

 

[Kunal Biswas]

can any one please tell me which fighter plane is this in this picture ? jaguar ?

Sea Harrier..


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[ace009]

I think that is NOT a fighter plane - it is a naval recon plane - probably a dornier ...

 

[lambu]

kunal sir i was referring to the plane in eastern naval fleet photo.is it dornier as said by ace ?

 

[nrj]

Its Dornier 228. It belongs to the Coast Guard.

 

[Kunal Biswas]

Its Dornier 228. It belongs to the Coast Guard.

It wriitern Navy, Coast guard DO-228 are painted in White and Blue..

 

[Kunal Biswas]

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[nrj]

It wriitern Navy, Coast guard DO-228 are painted in White and Blue..

Kunal sir, I was simply replying Lambu's query....