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Here is the Helsinki charter, that SU signed and Russia violated when invading Ukraine.
Oh please,don't you think US and Nato alliance had no hand in ukraine crisis? Didn't they openly support one group of people against democratically elected president Vicktor yankuvoich just because he was supposedly close with putin?When it comes to ukraine Nato alliance countries were as much as fault as russia. russia did it in open,you guys did it in backdoor.Don't shows all these meaningless treaties which has been repeatedly broken by US and its alliance in past(Ex: ABM treaty).
 

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Oh please,don't you think US and Nato alliance had no hand in ukraine crisis? Didn't they openly support one group of people against democratically elected president Vicktor yankuvoich just because he was supposedly close with putin?When it comes to ukraine Nato alliance countries were as much as fault as russia. russia did it in open,you guys did it in backdoor.Don't shows all these meaningless treaties which has been repeatedly broken by US and its alliance in past(Ex: ABM treaty).
Well, Vicktor was sacked by his own parliament and party, that is surprisingly often forgotten here. I will not go further OT here. Just checked the ruble against EURO: 51.13 going down like rock...
 

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Germany is perhaps the most active in favor for a strong EU and EURO. They have learned form two wars and know what is the way of the future. If any I try to point out to young readers, that you do not have to believe is somebody builds threat scenarios that somebody is trying to hurt your country. They are mostly for the benefit of the rulers and purely interior politics tool. Here is the Helsinki charter, that SU signed and Russia violated when invading Ukraine.
What Germany favours is Germany's problem. What SU signed is SU's problem. All I know is SU is dead.

"Invading Ukraine" is too strong a term to use. Ukraine is seeing a civil war. The origin of this civil war lies in rise of extremism and Nazism in Ukraine.

You show me the "Helsinki" convention? Did USA or France or UK sign that convention or not? Everyday I hear these countries are bombing somebody somewhere.
 

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Well, Vicktor was sacked by his own parliament and party, that is surprisingly often forgotten here. I will not go further OT here. Just checked the ruble against EURO: 51.13 going down like rock...
You do not get the point. Indians do not care if Viktor Yanukovych was sacked or fled or whatever. This is not our issue. What we care is ethnic tension to subside in Ukraine after an inclusive democracy is built.

The hooliganism must not be promoted as it is being promoted today by EU.

If Germany wants to promote NATO expansion, Germany is going to bear the consequence. I feel that EU and NATO expansion is unnecessary and only giving rise to wars.
 

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You do not get the point. Indians do not care if Viktor Yanukovych was sacked or fled or whatever. This is not our issue. What we care is ethnic tension to subside in Ukraine after an inclusive democracy is built.

The hooliganism must not be promoted as it is being promoted today by EU.

If Germany wants to promote NATO expansion, Germany is going to bear the consequence. I feel that EU and NATO expansion is unnecessary and only giving rise to wars.
Here is another thread "civil war in Ukraine", it is better to discuss there. NATO is not expanding: all former SU states are BEGGING to join it and get away from the Molok´s jaws of Russia. Regarding Helsinki Accor, it is signed by all European states and Russia is the follower of SU with all it´s obligations. Accor only concerns Europe, bombing elsewhere is not covered by that.
 

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Here is another thread "civil war in Ukraine", it is better to discuss there. NATO is not expanding: all former SU states are BEGGING to join it and get away from the Molok´s jaws of Russia. Regarding Helsinki Accor, it is signed by all European states and Russia is the follower of SU with all it´s obligations. Accor only concerns Europe, bombing elsewhere is not covered by that.
Begging is inappropriate term..Russia has not shown expansionist tendencies apart from the states which it lost during USSR breakup. It only wants to control those old soviet union states which it is emotionally conected.
on other hand,Nato members and euro members want to bend russia to its tunes. Show who is daddy around the world by invading Iraq in fake disguise of Weapons of mass destruction and invade IRan and syria now for what?

Its simple game of power. There is no right or wrong in it as you are trying to claim.
 

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Begging is inappropriate term..Russia has not shown expansionist tendencies apart from the states which it lost during USSR breakup. It only wants to control those old soviet union states which it is emotionally conected.
on other hand,Nato members and euro members want to bend russia to its tunes. Show who is daddy around the world by invading Iraq in fake disguise of Weapons of mass destruction and invade IRan and syria now for what?

Its simple game of power. There is no right or wrong in it as you are trying to claim.
If it is about power, you should form an official pact with Russia, Russia alone vs. Europa and US is pretty uneven, if you compare GDP it is about 35 : 2. I would not call it a power struggle, I would call it "former superpower nostalgy" from Russian side.
 

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If it is about power, you should form an official pact with Russia, Russia alone vs. Europa and US is pretty uneven, if you compare GDP it is about 35 : 2. I would not call it a power struggle, I would call it "former superpower nostalgy" from Russian side.
Did GDP ratio of 35:2 stopped russia claiming Crimea? It is a power struggle which is getting revived. Russia was never a economic super house even during the days of cold war.BTW, do you think Europe can think of attacking russia? better not. Lastly heard that russia has piled up more tactical nukes than US after 2000.
 
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Did GDP ratio of 35:2 stopped russia claiming Crimea? It is a power struggle which is getting revived. Russia was never a economic super house even during the days of cold war.BTW, do you think Europe can think of attacking russia? better not. Lastly heard that russia has piled up more tactical nukes than US after 2000.
Today´s power is economic power, look at what is happening in Russia and ask, if Russia's aggression in Ukraine was justified. EU is a peaceful power, no plans on attacking anybody.
 

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Today´s power is economic power, look at what is happening in Russia and ask, if Russia's aggression in Ukraine was justified. EU is a peaceful power, no plans on attacking anybody.
Jouni,
Looks like you do not know the complete background story. I will leave this issue for now as we have completly gone off topic.
 

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How Fighter Jets Lock On (and How the Targets Know)

Amazing info on this link: How Fighter Jets Lock On (and How the Targets Know)

The primary technology that a military aircraft uses to lock and track an enemy aircraft is its onboard radar. Aircraft radars typically have two modes: search and track. In search mode, the radar sweeps a radio beam across the sky in a zig-zag pattern. When the radio beam is reflected by a target aircraft, an indication is shown on the radar display. In search mode, no single aircraft is being tracked, but the pilot can usually tell generally what a particular radar return is doing because with each successive sweep, the radar return moves slightly.

This is an example of the fire control radar display for an F-16 Fighting Falcon when the radar is in a search mode:

How Fighter Jets Lock On (and How the Targets Know)

Each white brick is a radar return. Because the radar is only scanning, not tracking, no other information is available about the radar targets. (There is one exception: The Doppler shift of the radar return can be measured, to estimate how fast the aircraft traveling towards or away from you, much like the pitch of an oncoming train's whistle can tell you how fast it's coming at you. This is displayed as the small white trend line originating from each brick.)

Note that the cursors are over the bottom-most brick (closest to our aircraft). The pilot is ready to lock up this target. This will put the radar into a track mode. In track mode, the radar focuses its energy on a particular target. Because the radar is actually tracking a target, and not just displaying bricks when it gets a reflection back, it can tell the pilot a lot more about the target. This is what the F-16's fire control radar display looks like when a target is locked:

How Fighter Jets Lock On (and How the Targets Know)

Along the top we have a lot of information about what our radar target is doing:

Its aspect angle (angle between its nose position and our nose position) is 160° to the left,
its heading is 190°,
its airspeed is 450 knots,
and our closure rate is 828 knots.
With this information, the pilot gets a much better idea of what the aircraft is doing, but at the expense of information about other aircraft in the area.

Note that in the above picture, the bottom-most (closest) target is locked (circle around it), the two targets further away are tracked (yellow squares), and there are two radar returns even further away (white bricks). This is demonstrating an advanced feature of modern radars, situational awareness modes. A radar in SAM combines both tracking and scanning to allow a pilot to track one or a small number of "interesting" targets while not losing the big picture of what other targets are doing. In this mode, the radar beam sweeps the sky, while briefly and regularly pausing its scan to check up on a locked target.

Note that all of this comes with tradeoffs. In the end, a radar is only as powerful as it is, and you can put a lot of radar energy on one target, or spread it out weakly throughout the sky, or some compromise in between. In the above photo you can see two vertical bars spanning the height of the display — these are the azimuth scan limits. It's the aircraft's way of telling you, "OK, I can both track this target, and scan for other targets, but in return, I'm only going to scan a 40° wide cone in front of the aircraft, instead of the usual 60°. Radar, like life, is full of tradeoffs.

An important thing to note is that a radar lock is not always required to launch weapons at a target. For guns kills, if the aircraft has a radar lock on a target, it can accurately gauge range to the target, and provide the pilot with the appropriate corrections for lead and gravity drop, to get an accurate guns kill. Without the radar, the pilot simply has to rely on his or her own judgement.

As an example of that, let's take a look at the F-16's HUD (heads-up display) when in the process of employing guns at a radar-locked target:

How Fighter Jets Lock On (and How the Targets Know)

It becomes incredibly simple; that small circle labeled "bullets at target range" is called the "death dot" by F-16 pilots. Basically, it represents where the cannon rounds would land if you fired right now, and the rounds traveled the distance between you and the locked target. In other words, if you want a solid guns kill, simply fly the death dot onto the airplane. Super simple.

But what if there's no radar lock? Well now the HUD looks like this:

How Fighter Jets Lock On (and How the Targets Know)

No death dot — but you still have the funnel. The funnel represents the path the cannon rounds would travel out in front of you if you fired right now. The width of the funnel is equal to the apparent width of a predetermined wingspan at that particular range. So, if you didn't have a lock on your target, but you knew it had a wingspan of 35 feet, you could dial in 35 feet, then fly the funnel until the width exactly lined up with the width of the enemy aircraft's wings, then squeeze the trigger.

And what about missiles? Again, a radar lock is not required. For heat-seeking missiles, a radar lock is only used to train the seeker head onto the target. Without a radar lock, the seeker head scans the sky looking for "bright" (hot) objects, and when it finds one, it plays a distinctive whining tone to the pilot. The pilot does not need radar in this case, he just needs to maneuver his aircraft until he has "good tone," and then fire the missile. The radar only makes this process faster.

Now, radar-guided missiles come in two varieties: passive and active. Passive radar missiles do require a radar lock, because these missiles use the aircraft's reflected radar energy to track the target.

Active radar missiles however have their own onboard radar, which locks and tracks a target. But this radar is on a one-way trip, so it's considerably less expensive (and less powerful) than the aircraft's radar. So, these missiles normally get some guidance help from the launching aircraft until they fly close enough to the target where they can turn on their own radar and "go active." (This allows the launching aircraft to turn away and defend itself.) It is possible to fire an active radar missile with no radar lock (so-called "maddog"); in this case, the missile will fly until it's nearly out of fuel, and then it will turn on its radar and pursue the first target it sees. This is not a recommended strategy if there are friendly aircraft in close proximity to the enemy.

As to the last part of your question — yes, an aircraft can tell if a radar is painting it or locked onto it. Radar is just radio waves, and just as your FM radio converts radio waves into sound, so can an aircraft analyze incoming radio signals to figure out who's doing what. This is called an RWR, or radar warning receiver, and has both a video and audio component. This is a typical RWR display:

How Fighter Jets Lock On (and How the Targets Know)

Although an aircraft's radar can only scan out in front of the aircraft, an aircraftcan listen for incoming radar signals in any direction, so the scope is 360°. A digital signal processor looks for recognizable radio "chirps" that correspond to known radars, and displays their azimuth on the scope. A chirp is a distinctive waveform that a radio uses. See, if two radios use the same waveform simultaneously, they'll confuse each other, because each radio won't know which radar returns are from its own transmitter. To prevent this, different radios tend to use distinct waveforms. This can also be used by the target aircraft to identify the type of radar being used, and therefore possibly, the type of aircraft.

In this display, the RWR has detected an F-15 (15 with a hat on it indicating aircraft) at the 7-o'clock position. The strength of the radar is plotted as distance from the center — the closer to the center, the stronger the detected radar signal, and therefore possibly the closer the transmitting aircraft.

Detected at the 12- to 1-o'clock position are two surface-to-air missile (SAM) sites, an SA-5 "Gammon" and an SA-6 "Gainful". These are Russian SAM launching radars and represent a serious threat. The RWR computer has determined the SA-6 to be the highest priority threat in the area, and thus has enclosed it with a diamond.

RWR also has an audio component. Each time a new radar signal is detected, it is converted into an audio wave and played for the pilot. Because different radars "sound" different, pilots learn to recognize different airborne or surface threats by their distinctive tones. The sound is also an important cue to tell the pilot what the radar is doing: If the sound plays once, or intermittently, it means the radar is only painting our aircraft (in search mode). If a sound plays continuously, the radar has locked onto our aircraft and is in track mode, and thus the pilot's immediate attention is demanded. In some cases, the RWR can tell if the radar is in launch mode (sending radar data to a passive radar-guided missile), or if the radar is that of an active radar-guided missile. In either of these cases, a distinctive missile launch tone is played and the pilot is advised to immediately act to counter the threat. Note that the RWR has no way of knowing if a heat-seeking missile is on its way to our aircraft.

Aside from radar, there are other technologies that are used to lock on to enemy aircraft and ground targets. A targeting pod is a very powerful camera mounted on an articulating swivel that allows it to look in nearly every direction. This camera is connected to image processor that is able to tell apart vehicles and buildings from surrounding terrain, and track moving targets. This is the SNIPER XR targeting pod:

How Fighter Jets Lock On (and How the Targets Know)

And this is what the pilot sees when he operates it:

How Fighter Jets Lock On (and How the Targets Know)

The pod is able to track vehicles day and night, using visual or infra-red cameras. Heat-seeking missiles obviously use this same technology to home in on aircraft, and electro-optical missiles use this technology to track ground targets.

Lastly, there are laser-guided missiles as well. These "beam riders" follow a laser beam emanating from the aircraft to the target. Many ground vehicles use laser rangefinders as well, and some aircraft include a laser warning system (LWS) that works similarly to an RWR, but displays incoming laser signals instead.
How Fighter Jets Lock On (and How the Targets Know)
 

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IAF for new sub-machine carbines for Garud teams



The Indian Air Force is looking to purchase approximately 1500-1900 sub machine carbines for its Garud commando units. The IAF wants a modern light weight Sub Machine Carbine with "effective handling, high accuracy and simple maintenance". The length of the weapon needs to be less than 850 mm with or without accessories and weigh no more than 3.5 kg. The carbine's magazine needs to hold at least 15 rounds. The IAF has stipulated that it is looking for a 9mm carbine with an effective range of 100 metres and a firing rate of at least 700 rounds per minute. Accessories need to include day/night sights, silencer, tactical torch and laser pointer. Obviously, the weapon will need to be capable of operation in adverse weather, when immersed in water, when immersed in mud, in ice, snow, sand or dust. Needless to say, the IAF is looking to incrementally arm its commando units with better and better equipment, including ground vehicles, hand-launched micro UAVs, communication systems, thermal imagers etc. The IAF is also looking to procure over 4,000 bullet proof jackets for the Garud squads. Garud commandos were most recently seen in action during the airborne rescue effort in the Jammu & Kashmir flood disaster.
IAF for new sub machine carbines for Garud teams - SP�s Exculsive
 

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Air Force Days Special : Joshpur is the strongest Air Force Station of South East Asia

जोधपुर। दक्षिण-पूर्वी एशिया के सबसे मजबूत वायुसेना स्टेशन जोधपुर की उपस्थिति मात्र से पाकिस्तान पश्चिमी सरहद की तरफ आंख उठाकर भी नहीं देख सकता। यहां तैनात अत्याधुनिक लड़ाकू विमान व मिसाइलों की बदौलत यह पूरी पश्चिमी सरहद का निगहबान बना हुआ है। इतना ही नहीं यदि दुश्मन कोई हिमाकत कर बैठे तो जोधपुर वायुसेना स्टेशन 4 से 5 मिनट में ही दुश्मन के दांत खट्टे करने की ताकत रखता है। स्टेशन पूरी तरह से अत्याधुनिक है।
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Today´s power is economic power, look at what is happening in Russia and ask, if Russia's aggression in Ukraine was justified. EU is a peaceful power, no plans on attacking anybody.
It think it is better for EU to stay out of Russia-Ukraine dispute. Let them settle it on their own.

India is also affected by this dispute but India does not take sides.
 

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IAF for new sub-machine carbines for Garud teams



The Indian Air Force is looking to purchase approximately 1500-1900 sub machine carbines for its Garud commando units. The IAF wants a modern light weight Sub Machine Carbine with "effective handling, high accuracy and simple maintenance". The length of the weapon needs to be less than 850 mm with or without accessories and weigh no more than 3.5 kg. The carbine's magazine needs to hold at least 15 rounds. The IAF has stipulated that it is looking for a 9mm carbine with an effective range of 100 metres and a firing rate of at least 700 rounds per minute. Accessories need to include day/night sights, silencer, tactical torch and laser pointer. Obviously, the weapon will need to be capable of operation in adverse weather, when immersed in water, when immersed in mud, in ice, snow, sand or dust. Needless to say, the IAF is looking to incrementally arm its commando units with better and better equipment, including ground vehicles, hand-launched micro UAVs, communication systems, thermal imagers etc. The IAF is also looking to procure over 4,000 bullet proof jackets for the Garud squads. Garud commandos were most recently seen in action during the airborne rescue effort in the Jammu & Kashmir flood disaster.
IAF for new sub machine carbines for Garud teams - SP�s Exculsive
There was a news recently "Ishapore factory develops Indian variant of AK-47". Will this meet the specifications of IAF? If yes then this will be ingenuously manufactured and will save foreign currency. How long it will take to start the production?
 

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Germany is perhaps the most active in favor for a strong EU and EURO. They have learned form two wars and know what is the way of the future. If any I try to point out to young readers, that you do not have to believe is somebody builds threat scenarios that somebody is trying to hurt your country. They are mostly for the benefit of the rulers and purely interior politics tool. Here is the Helsinki charter, that SU signed and Russia violated when invading Ukraine.

Sovereign equality, respect for the rights inherent in sovereignty
Refraining from the threat or use of force
Inviolability of frontiers
Territorial integrity of States
Peaceful settlement of disputes
Non-intervention in internal affairs
Respect for human rights and fundamental freedoms, including the freedom of thought, conscience, religion or belief
Equal rights and self-determination of peoples
Co-operation among States
Fulfillment in good faith of obligations under international law
If EU and America would have worked towards a peaceful solution in the initial days with Russia-Ukrain issue, todays situation may have been different. EU and US didnt have to loose any thing over Ukrain.
Who is the sufferer today? Ukraine.
Where is the war taking place? On Ukraine soil.
Who are getting killed? Ukraine people.
Did US or EU provide any aid or arms assistance to Ukraine? No.
Possible motive of EU or US over Ukraine-Russia issue? Deteriorate the capabilities of former SU breakaway republics. Let Ukraine and Russia fight and decrease their conventional strength

Now think the other way if US and EU had looked at the point of view of Russia and tried to work towards a peaceful settlement of this issue without taking any sides
What is the most pressing issue in front of the whole world today? Rise of ISIS
Had Ukraine-Russia issue been peacefully settled, would Russia have helped in war against ISIS? Obviously YES
Would ISIS dreamed of attacking Iraq and Syria in such a scenario had Russia was at peace? Never. ISIS attacked Iraq and Syria only after seeing that Russia is busy with Ukraine issue and NATO is concentrating on Ukraine-Russia issue
Is US fire on ISIS locations in Syria/Iraq adequate? No. They are bombarding for name sake. Their concentration is on Ukraine-Russia issue.
If Russia had joined hands with US led coalition in fight against ISIS, would it have helped? Yes US-Russia-EU combination would have exerted pressure on countries financing and supplying arms and support to to ISIS. ISIS could have been crushed by now.

Please understand that there are 2 sides of the coin. US-EU should not always think what suits them. They should also think what suits the world. In the fight of two cats, monkey is getting power. Hence ISIS is growing.

Lets hope Ukraine-Russia issue is peacefully resolved soon as world needs Russia also to stand by US-EU coalition in fight against ISIS.
 

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They are looking at 9mm carbine ..

9mm carbine with an effective range of 100 metres and a firing rate of at least 700 rounds per minute. Accessories need to include day/night sights, silencer, tactical torch and laser pointer. Obviously, the weapon will need to be capable of operation in adverse weather, when immersed in water, when immersed in mud, in ice, snow, sand or dust. Needless to say, the IAF is looking to incrementally arm its commando units with better and better equipment
There was a news recently "Ishapore factory develops Indian variant of AK-47". Will this meet the specifications of IAF? If yes then this will be ingenuously manufactured and will save foreign currency. How long it will take to start the production?
 

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Guys is Akash SAM capable to take on stealth jets and bombers like J-20 ,J-30, B-2,F-35,F-22 etc
 

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A SAM can hit any plane it can be guided to, a more correct question would be, can we track and paint a stealth aircraft with existing radar in India.
Well maybe, these things are generally kept under wraps but the green pine and swordfish might be able to detect and target stealth aircraft.
 

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