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Arihant Roy

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I have heard complete opposite of this !
I wonder from where or from whom do you get to hear such stuff.

https://www.ndtv.com/video/shows/wa...-men-who-fly-migs-aired-september-2003-288477

Watch from 6:25 to 7:50.

Air Commodore Harish besides being a distinguished Test pilot of Tejas fame, was also involved with the Bison upgrade program. He himself had evaluated the Kopyo radar in Russia and was also a CO of Cobras . He has more than 2500 hrs on MiG-21 .
 

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Wrong. It was licensed by China and China manufactured it.
Another factually incorrect statement.

Pakistan will not replace the JF-17’s Russian-made Klimov/Sarkisov RD-93 power plant with a new Chinese engine in the foreseeable future despite Chinese reports to the contrary, IHS Jane’s Defense Weekly reveals.

“We are completely satisfied with this Russian-made engine,” a representative of Pakistan Aeronautical Complex recently told IHS Jane’s Defense Weekly. The JF-17 Thunder combat aircraft was jointly developed by the Pakistan Aeronautical Complex and Chengdu Aircraft Industry Corporation (PAC/CAC).

PAC even plans to establish a full-scale servicing and overhaul facility for the Klimov/Sarkisov RD-93 engine in Kamra, also known as Aviation City, and the center of aircraft manufacturing in Pakistan.

“What does this tell you?” asked a PAC program officer rhetorically referring to the plans for an overhaul facility , according to IHS Jane’s Defense Weekly. “If the situation was as it has been portrayed at times – that we are just utilizing the RD-93 as a temporary solution until the Chinese can ‘save’ us with their own new engine – then we would not be expending the resources to set up this overhaul base. For us, changing to another engine would not make any sense and would be disruptive and cause a huge expense for the JF-17 program.”

The state-owned United Engine Corporation controls development and manufacturing of all engines for military, civilian and space use in Russia and for Russian exports. The UEC's Klimov plant in St Petersburg had been developing the RD-93MA engine, which is a modification of the RD-93 engine, used on the JF-17 fighter, being built by Pakistan and China.
 

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Navy buying Rafales? highly doubt it that they want it in first place.

It should be shoved down their throats.

No uniformity, different ACs and different platforms.

And Navy wants 3 more ACs.
The problem with naval rafales is that they don't fit on any of our carriers unless you remove the wingtips and that causes greater delay in operational tempo and increased costs of acquisition since you would need to finance the R&D of certifying removable wingtips for Rafales. Besides IN has its own structure and logistic chains for dealing with naval aviation and F-18s share the same engines as LCA, it might be better for India overall to go for the F-18s because as India build its support structure for F-18s, indirectly, it enhances the support structure for its LCAs.

I am sure that MoD can demand from Boeing & GE to build an engine maintenance depot in India where more than ample supply of spares would be kept under IAF & IN control so when sanctions hit, India would manage the situation quite competently. If I were the MoD I would insert clauses into the contracts saying that if sanctions come calling, the IP rights of the spares would be null and void and Indian companies are free to manufacture & produce those spares should the American companies refuse to honor their part of the contracts.
 

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Another factually incorrect statement.
No you are just not getting complete information. You were not aware that China received limited licensed production of the RD-93s during the late 90s and 2000s before it was yanked back by the Russians during the 2010s. So when China supplied PAF with early generation of JF-17s, those planes came with Chinese built Russian designed engines.

Did you notice that it says Russian made and China made as opposed to saying Russian designed and Chinese designed. Furthermore, did you notice in that article that Russia and Pakistan agreed to purchase Russian engines outright from Russia as opposed to getting the Russian engines from China and that deliveries would start in 2020.


Do you know that IAF MiG-29s are equipped with the same engines that those planes are equipped and IAF did not experience these kind of problems that PAF did? Even though IAF has more engines of these than the PAF considering there were 69 Mig-29s and each MiG-29 carry 2 engines as opposed to one engine? That means IAF effectively has roughly about 180 engines compared to 140-150 engines by PAF? T
 

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Do you know that IAF MiG-29s are equipped with the same engines that those planes are equipped and IAF did not experience these kind of problems that PAF did? Even though IAF has more engines of these than the PAF considering there were 69 Mig-29s and each MiG-29 carry 2 engines as opposed to one engine? That means IAF effectively has roughly about 180 engines compared to 140-150 engines by PAF? T
Pakistanis are a guinea pig for Chinese who have been trying to build an engine since they bought the
israeli LAVI program. IMO chinese want to keep as many rd-93 as they can and have been placing anything from ws-10 to possibly ws-13? without Pakis having much say in it? Hard to build a world contender warplane on a budget.
 

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:lehappy: i think we will be operating F-35 in a few decades.

No you are just not getting complete information. You were not aware that China received limited licensed production of the RD-93s during the late 90s and 2000s before it was yanked back by the Russians during the 2010s. So when China supplied PAF with early generation of JF-17s, those planes came with Chinese built Russian designed engines.



Did you notice that it says Russian made and China made as opposed to saying Russian designed and Chinese designed. Furthermore, did you notice in that article that Russia and Pakistan agreed to purchase Russian engines outright from Russia as opposed to getting the Russian engines from China and that deliveries would start in 2020.




Do you know that IAF MiG-29s are equipped with the same engines that those planes are equipped and IAF did not experience these kind of problems that PAF did? Even though IAF has more engines of these than the PAF considering there were 69 Mig-29s and each MiG-29 carry 2 engines as opposed to one engine? That means IAF effectively has roughly about 180 engines compared to 140-150 engines by PAF? T
wasnt @Dark Sorrow right ?

Pakistan will not replace the JF-17’s Russian-made Klimov/Sarkisov RD-93 power plant with a new Chinese engine in the foreseeable future despite Chinese reports to the contrary, IHS Jane’s Defense Weekly reveals.

Mig-29 uses a different engine , RD-33 . 🤷‍♂️
 

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:lehappy: i think we will be operating F-35 in a few decades.



wasnt @Dark Sorrow right ?

Pakistan will not replace the JF-17’s Russian-made Klimov/Sarkisov RD-93 power plant with a new Chinese engine in the foreseeable future despite Chinese reports to the contrary, IHS Jane’s Defense Weekly reveals.

Mig-29 uses a different engine , RD-33 . 🤷‍♂️
RD-93 is a direct derivative of RD-33. RD-33s were first used on the JF-17s and after PAF's request, RD-33 was modified into RD-93 specifically for JF-17.
 

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Yes jodhpur's mig 27 squads were replaced by su 30.. btw whoever snapped this pic from military cum civilian airport, it's banned and cabin crew announce it.. so chupa ke rakho Saar!
Bhai found it in a youtube video and took screenshot 😂
 

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:lehappy: i think we will be operating F-35 in a few decades.
I am more interested to know will we be offered AIM-260 JATM?

Americans look okay with Astra BVRAAM's integration as the are providing open architecture system for mission computer.
 

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I am more interested to know will we be offered AIM-260 JATM?

Americans look okay with Astra BVRAAM's integration as the are providing open architecture system for mission computer.
What new is JATM bringing to the table that Astra Mk-3 won't?
 

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Meteor currently doesn't field AESA seeker. Currently IAF doesn't have overwhelming capability against PAF, we need to develop such capabilities and only indigenous platform like Tejas Mk. 1 , Mk. 2 and AMCA can enable us to build such capabilities.
It seems you are correct, Meteor indeed lacks an AESA seeker. But that got me questioning if there are really any overwhelming advantages of having an AESA seeker over an X-band seeker. Mind you, for radars, it is a different game as AESA offers multiple other capabilities other than target tracking.

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Regarding J-20s capabilities, we can only guess. Defense analysts can only speculate from external features and behaviors. What we know, is that J-20 seems to be underpowered, prioritizes frontal stealth, and has low payload capacity.
 

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It seems you are correct, Meteor indeed lacks an AESA seeker. But that got me questioning if there are really any overwhelming advantages of having an AESA seeker over an X-band seeker. Mind you, for radars, it is a different game as AESA offers multiple other capabilities other than target tracking.
Wouldn't an AESA BVRAAM seeker with vilvaldi be ultrawideband and thus more difficult to jam?
 

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This news is cropping up again and again, this time, the author claims the deal is in an advanced stage of finalization.

Wouldn't an AESA BVRAAM seeker with vilvaldi be ultrawideband and thus more difficult to jam?
Yes, but a seeker is useless in UWB frequencies as switching to longer wavelengths will deteriorate the accuracy for tracking. It is equivalent to switching off the seeker. They need to get into X or Ku-bands for target acquisition.
 

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