Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[doreamon]

What are these 6th generation technologies?

Probably directed energy weapon , greater use of AI , weapon like aim260 which said to surpass ability of meteor ... That brings us to F15 ex .

 

[Dark Sorrow]

What international relation you have to look seriously regarding arms purchase? So If Modi re-elected in 2024 you no need to look into international relations to purchase arms?

If Modi gets elected with absolute majority he will not have to listen to anyone even his allies.
We can't kick other countries and get Rafale directly without offending them nor we want single vendor situation (atleast on paper).
We can't say no to US blindly as we are dependent on them a lot.
Nor can we
say no to Russia blindly as we have lot of strategic deals with them.

Is America arm twisting modi to buy it's junk fighters? Nope.

Can US arm twist India -> Yes they can. Anyone thinking otherwise is either ignorant or lying.
The question is not if they can arm twist India but are they willing to? What is their threshold?

114 rafales will never happen like Mirage.

What is the above statement suppose to mean?

No need to panic? so ordering furthur tranches of rafales now is panic but doing so after relected in 2024 is strategic? Baba modi was bloating if he had rafales will do that this to pakis during balakot and now shitting in pants saying koi nai ghusa so what's stopping him ordering more rafales? Or next election winning jumla will be on Rafale re ordering for national interest?

Lets not bring balakot here. It was more of a political show.
What is stopping Modi from buying more Rafale -> Because India is a democracy and Modi can't do whatever he want. Elections are on head and he doesn't want to take any risk. Directly buying Rafale will open a can of works. It will give ammo to opposition for PR campaign against Modi saying Modi is favoring his industrialist friends.
What as per you would have happened if we had Rafale during balakot? I don't expect IAF to use such state of art aircraft against some terrorist launchpad. Aren't Rafale reserved to be used against PLAAF.
Modi saying if he had rafales will do that this to pakis during balakot is more of PR campaign to counter Rafale deal controversy.

Chinese never amassed so much troops build up at our border even in 1959.

In 1962 we suffered route in NEFA. We are in much better position now. As for PRC amassing its military in Tibet so are we also amassing its military in our regions.

Stop defending this election jumlas and re elected will do that this.

Even Modi and Shah are cautious about elections as you never know how things might turn up.
They are on watch out for upcoming UP state and BMC elections.

 

[Gandaberunda]

If Modi gets elected with absolute majority he will not have to listen to anyone even his allies.
We can't kick other countries and get Rafale directly without offending them nor we want single vendor situation (atleast on paper).
We can't say no to US blindly as we are dependent on them a lot.
Nor can we
say no to Russia blindly as we have lot of strategic deals with them.

Can US arm twist India -> Yes they can. Anyone thinking otherwise is either ignorant or lying.
The question is not if they can arm twist India but are they willing to? What is their threshold?

What is the above statement suppose to mean?

Lets not bring balakot here. It was more of a political show.
What is stopping Modi from buying more Rafale -> Because India is a democracy and Modi can't do whatever he want. Elections are on head and he doesn't want to take any risk. Directly buying Rafale will open a can of works. It will give ammo to opposition for PR campaign against Modi saying Modi is favoring his industrialist friends.
What as per you would have happened if we had Rafale during balakot? I don't expect IAF to use such state of art aircraft against some terrorist launchpad. Aren't Rafale reserved to be used against PLAAF.
Modi saying if he had rafales will do that this to pakis during balakot is more of PR campaign to counter Rafale deal controversy.

In 1962 we suffered route in NEFA. We are in much better position now. As for PRC amassing its military in Tibet so are we also amassing its military in our regions.

Even Modi and Shah are cautious about elections as you never know how things might turn up.
They are on watch out for upcoming UP state and BMC elections.

So your saying modi is scared of losing election hence he is not ordering few more rafales now even having absolute majority but anticipating absolute majority in 2024 to order more? and then you go on to say have to look into international relations to order rafales? Dude stick to one point. This itself makes modi a coward who works for his party not for national interest as he proclaim Elections are far a fuck in 2024 still 3 years more and modi- sha shitting in pants now itself fearing for elections or else they keep corporation elections higher than Nationalism?
US couldn't arm twist us even when we were looking to buy S400 and went ahead and ordered. Now rafales are already fielded by IAF so they can't arm twist us from buying more rafales as it will be follow on orders. US here and their bringing up CAATSA sanction casually in discussion knowing it will bite their own arse if they even consider doing it especially now wrt China and Asia Pacific region situation says it all.
We may go ahead and buy other weapons at inflated amount from US but thwey can't arm twist to buy junk -16 fighter rebranded f21 and they don't have anything other than that to offer.

 

[vishnugupt]

So your saying modi is scared of losing election hence he is not ordering few more rafales now even having absolute majority but anticipating absolute majority in 2024 to order more? and then you go on to say have to look into international relations to order rafales? Dude stick to one point. This itself makes modi a coward who works for his party not for national interest as he proclaim Elections are far a fuck in 2024 still 3 years more and modi- sha shitting in pants now itself fearing for elections or else they keep corporation elections higher than Nationalism?
US couldn't arm twist us even when we were looking to buy S400 and went ahead and ordered. Now rafales are already fielded by IAF so they can't arm twist us from buying more rafales as it will be follow on orders. US here and their bringing up CAATSA sanction casually in discussion knowing it will bite their own arse if they even consider doing it especially now wrt China and Asia Pacific region situation says it all.
We may go ahead and buy other weapons at inflated amount from US but thwey can't arm twist to buy junk -16 fighter rebranded f21 and they don't have anything other than that to offer.

Modi is fearing nothing He knows much about the present situation than anyone else. But the problem is, How can you order more Rafale when UNAF is demanding 5th and 6th generation technologies. Cry baby needs a new shiny toy every time.

5th and 6th generation technologies in 4th generation jet . only United nations armed forces generals can be this much illogical and naive.

R@nd! r@na toh ab United nations AF ka bhagya ban gaya hai.

 

[Gandaberunda]

Modi is fearing nothing He knows much about the present situation than anyone else. But the problem is, How can you order more Rafale when UNAF is demanding 5th and 6th generation technologies. Cry baby needs a new shiny toy every time.

5th and 6th generation technologies in 4th generation jet . only United nations armed forces generals can be this much illogical and naive.

R@nd! r@na toh ab United nations AF ka bhagya ban gaya hai.

114 jets req is separate than rafales... Even you order more tranches of rafales, Tejas MK2, UNAF still wants 114 5th gen jets.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

So your saying modi is scared of losing election hence he is not ordering few more rafales now even having absolute majority but anticipating absolute majority in 2024 to order more? and then you go on to say have to look into international relations to order rafales? Dude stick to one point.

Modi is not sure of overwhelming victory after series of past events. Hence wait and watch attitude. This is why state assembly elections like that of UP and Mumbai BMC election are important.

This itself makes modi a coward who works for his party not for national interest as he proclaim Elections are far a fuck in 2024 still 3 years more and modi- sha shitting in pants now itself fearing for elections or else they keep corporation elections higher than Nationalism?

That doesn't make him a coward but makes him an excellent politician. For any politician reelection is most important. Anyone claiming otherwise is lying.

US couldn't arm twist us even when we were looking to buy S400 and went ahead and ordered. Now rafales are already fielded by IAF so they can't arm twist us from buying more rafales as it will be follow on orders. US here and their bringing up CAATSA sanction casually in discussion knowing it will bite their own arse if they even consider doing it especially now wrt China and Asia Pacific region situation says it all.

US can arm twist but we haven't crossed their threshold. They care more about India counter balancing PRC than some SAM system that we purchased. This is the only reason they have not sanctioned us.
It all bogs down to how much you annoy them versus how beneficial we are to them.
From US point of view having a country like India up in arms against PRC along their south western border is a great asset. It reduces strain on them.

We may go ahead and buy other weapons at inflated amount from US but thwey can't arm twist to buy junk -16 fighter rebranded f21 and they don't have anything other than that to offer.

Tomorrow if the sanction us more than half of our defense project will be in jeopardy starting with Tejas.
It looks like you are trying to convince yourself. Accepting the reality is the first step for getting out of conundrum.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

114 jets req is separate than rafales... Even you order more tranches of rafales, Tejas MK2, UNAF still wants 114 5th gen jets.

Where you came across this information?
As per IAF chief; Rafale are included in MMRCA 2.0 competition. He didn't mention any separate purchase of Rafale.

 

[Dark Sorrow]

Probably directed energy weapon , greater use of AI , weapon like aim260 which said to surpass ability of meteor ... That brings us to F15 ex .

Directed energy weapon are being implemented on 4th generation fighters (like F-16)
AI is being deployed on 4th and 5th generation fighters.
AIM260 category missile will be deployed on 4th and 5th generation fighters like F-18, F-22, F-35 etc.

I am really confused what technology classifies to be 6th generation fighters technology

 

[Dark Sorrow]

@Fello Members kindly refrain from calling IAF as UNAF.
Its highly disrespectful to IAF.

 

[Maharaj samudragupt]

@Fello Members kindly refrain from calling IAF as UNAF.
Its highly disrespectful to IAF.

UNAF : United Nations Airforce .
यूएनएफ : संयुक्त राष्ट्र वायुसेना ।

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

How good/bad is Gripen's EW capability compared to all aircraft in IAF fleet?

 

[vishnugupt]

Disclaimer:- A satirical post: this is only for entertainment porpose. do not relate to any Institution.

United nations Armed forces policies are discriminatory against developing countries;- UN Secretory

New york:- United nations armed forces policies are discriminatory against developing countries and do not reflect the value of the institution; Said UN secretory Ban Ki-moon while giving an opening speech on the 78th assembly of UN. In his scathing attack on UNAF, Moon said It is deplorable and demeaning to the overall development of the Aerospace industry across the nations, He added.

The issue arise on questions hours when China and Pakistan alleged partiality by UNAF for not buying J-17, J-10c, and Al Khalid tank and rendering countries aerospace industry future in jeopardy. China alleged UNAF haven't sent a request for information in the last MMRCA competitions and a Similar allegation was made by Pakistan regarding the acquisition of the next-generation battle tank by the United nation Army.

All countries have joined the movement and condemn this unacceptable nature of UNAF where they are not reflecting jointness of all cultures and colours as being guardians of the galaxy. Indian Prime minister said UN must become more open to accept and absorb more ideas and instruments from other countries like India which represent 15% of the world population instead of buying from only big fives. UN Armed forces must break a path for Indian technology to make their way into operationalization, He added. Moreover, He express his displeasure for prolonged and never-ending trials for Indian weapons.

House has adjourned and voting will be hold next week about the new MRCA 2.0 tender as UNAF is acquiring 5th and 6th generation technologies in a 4th generation fighter jet. UNAF spokesperson is not available for a comment and we are trying to reach out via mail.

:-Vishnugupt, from New York, UN headquarter..

 

[doreamon]

Disclaimer:- A satirical post: this is only for entertainment porpose. do not relate to any Institution.

United nations Armed forces policies are discriminatory against developing countries;- UN Secretory

New york:- United nations armed forces policies are discriminatory against developing countries and do not reflect the value of the institution; Said UN secretory Ban Ki-moon while giving an opening speech on the 78th assembly of UN. In his scathing attack on UNAF, Moon said It is deplorable and demeaning to the overall development of the Aerospace industry across the nations, He added.

The issue arise on questions hours when China and Pakistan alleged partiality by UNAF for not buying J-17, J-10c, and Al Khalid tank and rendering countries aerospace industry future in jeopardy. China alleged UNAF haven't sent a request for information in the last MMRCA competitions and a Similar allegation was made by Pakistan regarding the acquisition of the next-generation battle tank by the United nation Army.

All countries have joined the movement and condemn this unacceptable nature of UNAF where they are not reflecting jointness of all cultures and colours as being guardians of the galaxy. Indian Prime minister said UN must become more open to accept and absorb more ideas and instruments from other countries like India which represent 15% of the world population instead of buying from only big fives. UN Armed forces must break a path for Indian technology to make their way into operationalization, He added. Moreover, He express his displeasure for prolonged and never-ending trials for Indian weapons.

House has adjourned and voting will be hold next week about the new MRCA 2.0 tender as UNAF is acquiring 5th and 6th generation technologies in a 4th generation fighter jet. UNAF spokesperson is not available for a comment and we are trying to reach out via mail.

:-Vishnugupt, from New York, UN headquarter..

You are a real frustrated man ! I want IAF to by 36 f15ex , 36 rafale , 36 f16 , 36 mig 35 only to annoy you .. And cancel tejas mk2 citing financial requirement to buy that russian 5th gen plane .

 

[abingdonboy]

 

[Sridhar_TN]

You are a real frustrated man ! I want IAF to by 36 f15ex , 36 rafale , 36 f16 , 36 mig 35 only to annoy you .. And cancel tejas mk2 citing financial requirement to buy that russian 5th gen plane .

It’s going to be rafale no matter what. That’s a done deal. Now it’s up to the French to lose the deal. They better not get greedy. Depending on numbers, a lot of dassault and Thales tech will flow into AMCA.
Also, watch out for Stryker acquisitions by army. Going to happen soon. You heard it here first folks.

 

[doreamon]

It’s going to be rafale no matter what. That’s a done deal. Now it’s up to the French to lose the deal. They better not get greedy. Depending on numbers, a lot of dassault and Thales tech will flow into AMCA.
Also, watch out for Stryker acquisitions by army. Going to happen soon. You heard it here first folks.

By stryker Do u mean we are buying usa army armoured infantry career vehicle ? What happened to drdo whap .. Or u mean sky striker drone .

 

[Sridhar_TN]

By stryker Do u mean we are buying usa army armoured infantry career vehicle ? What happened to drdo whap .. Or u mean sky striker drone .

Yes. I mean the Stryker apc. This seems like it’s is going to happen. Army is dead set on this and seem to be in love with that system. This is what I’ve heard, and so take it with a pinch of salt, as I’m not in the MOD.
I guess the WHAP will be converted to some sort of amphibious assault vehicle (AAV) for beach landing operations or potentially a tracked APC.

 

[captscooby81]

The next set of 3 Single Seater Rafale are here BS021,22,24 .

 

[Okabe Rintarou]

It’s going to be rafale no matter what. That’s a done deal. Now it’s up to the French to lose the deal. They better not get greedy. Depending on numbers, a lot of dassault and Thales tech will flow into AMCA.
Also, watch out for Stryker acquisitions by army. Going to happen soon. You heard it here first folks.

Yes. I mean the Stryker apc. This seems like it’s is going to happen. Army is dead set on this and seem to be in love with that system. This is what I’ve heard, and so take it with a pinch of salt, as I’m not in the MOD.
I guess the WHAP will be converted to some sort of amphibious assault vehicle (AAV) for beach landing operations or potentially a tracked APC.

Yeah, not convinced. Stryker is not even capable of swimming. That is a prime requirement in Army's own GSQRs. There is a limit to these things. WhAP is also listed in the import ban list and the ban comes into effect this December. No self-respecting Defence Minister will give approval to such a blatant violation of their flagship scheme. On the off-chance it does happen, I'll personally write to Kejriwal to take BJP out using this as political ammo. The only reason I still want to vote for BJP is defence indigenization and infrastructure. If they drop the ball there, they deserve no mercy.
(Sorry for OT post)

 

[Sridhar_TN]

Yeah, not convinced. Stryker is not even capable of swimming. That is a prime requirement in Army's own GSQRs. There is a limit to these things. WhAP is also listed in the import ban list and the ban comes into effect this December. No self-respecting Defence Minister will give approval to such a blatant violation of their flagship scheme. On the off-chance it does lphappen, I'll personally write to Kejriwal to take BJP out using this as political ammo. The only reason I still want to vote for BJP is defence indigenization and infrastructure. If they drop the ball there, they deserve no mercy.
(Sorry for OT post)

Army wants merican heavy machinery, I don’t blame ‘em. At this point, they just want something that dominates the battlefield. Strykers are good at what they do. Tech wise, miles ahead of Russian stuff. They form a vital component in networked ground operations for us army. Every striker in a given theater is networked, knows which target each Stryker is engaging( can even see the targets via video of every other Stryker), knows position of all ground units, artillery positions, acts as a C&C on the ground for conventional and nuclear roles. Apparently can even control drones if needed. Can relay air support for out of sight targets. Very very good tech. It has its advantages and disadvantages.

If army just goes for Stryker and abandons WHAP, thats not good as well. Going for WHAP would pave the way for more wheeled platforms. Maybe a combination? Don’t know.

like I said, it’s all up in the air right now.

Where you really should be worried about them dropping the ball is in the acquisition of LUH. WHAP is nowhere close to being ready for induction, but LUH is very much up there. Failure to induct LUH is more of a blasphemy for indian indiginisation compared to anything else.