Indian Air Force: News & Discussions

[Kshatriya87]

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[Suryavanshi]

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I can see a shitstorm after this

 

[Tactical Frog]

Poor Lockheed reps will enter a new dimension of pain when IAF sends its list of custom modifications for F-35 . If they survive it then it will be fun to negotiate price too.

I have read stuff about US gov procuring its F-35 at $200 mil a plane with engines and spare parts

 

[Tanmay]

Ummm.....
the game is big...
so is opportunity

Having Indian datalinks and comm sets on jets is considered "custom" built
Or is a downgrade in capabilities bcoz we haven't signed a few treaties with usa considered a custom built
I guess that's a standard procedure when mil hardware is exported to countries to make some changes according to the use. IN has custom built ships and planes too

 

[binayak95]

This is what I call throwing a monkey wrench at SEF, Tejas Mk 2 and AMCA. Good job USA. I am pretty sure this will delay everything regardless of whether we choose the F-35 or not.

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[Adioz]

Ummm.....
the game is big...
so is opportunity

This will be the real test.
Can this government really rise above petty political gains and turn down this offer?
Can the IAF support indigenous industry?
Or will they simply pay lip service to this issue?
India wants to know.
Time to find out. Let us wait and watch. I've grabbed my popcorn, and my bet is, AMCA will knock this stupid deal out even before it takes first flight, just the way Tejas Mk-II is about to sound the death knell for F-16/Gripen fiasco. On the off-chance that does not happen, I'll understand that India is about to become another Japan, a subservient to USA.

 

[Suryavanshi]

This will be the real test.
Can this government really rise above petty political gains and turn down this offer?
Can the IAF support indigenous industry?
Or will they simply pay lip service to this issue?
India wants to know.
Time to find out. Let us wait and watch. I've grabbed my popcorn, and my bet is, AMCA will knock this stupid deal out even before it takes first flight, just the way Tejas Mk-II is about to sound the death knell for F-16/Gripen fiasco.

Find out in the next episode of Dragon Ball Z

 

[Suryavanshi]

Honestly don't take this bait it's very clear that Murika wants to keeps us as it's Pawn in the great game of for politics

 

[Tanmay]

This will be the real test.
Can this government really rise above petty political gains and turn down this offer?
Can the IAF support indigenous industry?
Or will they simply pay lip service to this issue?
India wants to know.
Time to find out. Let us wait and watch. I've grabbed my popcorn, and my bet is, AMCA will knock this stupid deal out even before it takes first flight, just the way Tejas Mk-II is about to sound the death knell for F-16/Gripen fiasco. On the off-chance that does not happen, I'll understand that India is about to become another Japan, a subservient to USA.

Wont happen. If we didn't have money for Rafale we surely don't have money for JSF. And if India does but JSF, it just means that the highest levels of MoD and govt have been sold out :/ ain't logical. Killing and signing deals to suit their pockets

 

[Vinod DX9]

My take
1) Single engine fighter jet tender is scrapped or max possibility of low order (Gripen) than original nos, full after burner for Tejas Mk II
2) F-35 offers to India... But IAF will not accept downgraded version..Dassault decreases price, more Rafales ....
3) 1% chance but possible, no FGFA but Su-57MKI , licensed production , and AMCA parallel production

 

[Adioz]

For the first time in my life, I am happy that the Indian Defence budget is small and that Air Force is staring at critically low squadron numbers.
Happy about the budget 'cause that makes F-35 an unlikely deal.
Happy about the low squadron numbers 'cause the Air Force does not have spare money to be wasting on expensive toys, they are looking at critical operational downfall that is going to demand all of their monetary resources at least until AMCA is flying.

 

[darshan978]

No f35 offered to india it custom built f16 some one tweaked title i guess

https://www.ndtv.com/india-news/loc...uilt-fighter-jets-to-be-made-in-india-1802538

 

[Sancho]

I have read stuff about US gov procuring its F-35 at $200 mil a plane with engines and spare parts

USN version:

Flyaway unit cost of 135 million USD this year, after that around 115 million USD and the USAF Version should be cheaper. That makes it competitive to Rafale or EF based on flyaway costs at least. The SR MMRCAs should be clearly cheaper in procurement and operational costs, which makes them them the best option, if you want to fill up the force with numbers of capable MRCAs, while saving money for FGFA and AMCA in the long run.

 

[Sancho]

#FirstLadies - Ministry of Women & Child Development, Government of India, will be felicitating women who are first in their respective fields & communities. IAF Women Fighter Pilots Fg Offr Bhawana , Fg Offr Avani & Fg Offr Mohana will be felicitated during the ceremony.

Source: https://t.co/I6Zc3p9UaE

 

[WolfPack86]

The Indian Air Force (IAF) is considering the possibility of an order for the F-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter, according to sources in the Ministry of Defence. (StarPost)
https://www.facebook.com/pg/TeamINDRA/photos/?ref=page_internal

 

[WolfPack86]

The F-35 has always hovered over the Indian jet picture. Excellent @Stratpost piece by @SaurabhJoshi on why a real conversation could be afoot.
https://twitter.com/livefist?lang=en

 

[Suryavanshi]

The F-35 has always hovered over the Indian jet picture. Excellent @Stratpost piece by @SaurabhJoshi on why a real conversation could be afoot.
https://twitter.com/livefist?lang=en

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

@Mikesingh @aditya10r @tejas warrior @lcafanboy @Adioz @Rahul Singh @Haldiram
The Muricans have activated their lobbys

 

[WolfPack86]

CALM DOWN EVERYONE, THERE’S NO PLAN TO PUT AN F-35 PRODUCTION LINE IN INDIA
by Valerie Insinna and Vivek Raghuvanshi
WASHINGTON and NEW DELHI — Rumors of an F-35 production line in India have been greatly exaggerated.

Over the weekend, multiple news outlets ran stories based on a Press Trust of India reportstating that Lockheed Martin had proposed to manufacture a “custom-built F-35” in India.

However, it appears that the story was the result of confusion between discussion on the F-35 and the company’s well-publicized bid to move its F-16 line to India. Lockheed has no intention of building an F-35 line in India at this time.

“F-35 production is based [in] Fort Worth, Texas, and Final Assembly and Checkout Operations (FACO) facilities are located in Cameri, Italy and Nagoya, Japan. The article referencing F-35 production in India was misreported and incorrect. The conversation was in regards to F-16 production,” Lockheed spokesman Michael Friedman said Monday.

A top Indian Ministry of Defense official told Defense News that “there is no such plan, and no official proposal has come from U.S. government and Lockheed Martin” to produce F-35s in India in the future.

To defense industry outsiders, writing a story correcting the record may seem like nitpicking what was very likely an honest mistake on the part of PTI. However, to those who follow the F-35 program, the thought of Lockheed offering such a partnership to India out of blue seems strange, or perhaps even unthinkable.
Although it’s possible that India buys F-35s eventually — and if it does it would almost certainly garner some industrial participation, as all joint strike fighter customers do — there are a couple reasons why Lockheed would be unlikely to offer this deal at this time.

First off, there’s no pressing need. Lockheed is currently negotiating its 11th lot of low rate production for the F-35 program, with thousands of planes still yet to be produced and numerous foreign deals likely. Therefore, production and sustainment of the aircraft are treated like opportunities by Lockheed and the F-35 joint program office, who complete those contracts among customers as a way to lower cost.

For instance, Lockheed Martin has reached separate deals with Italy and Japan for final assembly and check out of selected countries’ planes. However, the partnerships came after those countries had committed to buying the F-35, gotten approval from the U.S. State Department and resolved to invest in standing up production facilities — all conditions that India has not met at this time.

"There isn't now even the slightest IAF interest in the F-16 Block 70 or any other variant" for the single-engine fighter program, even as the Air Force has decided to hold flight tests of Lockheed's aircraft and Sweden's Gripen-E, the two under consideration.

By: Vivek Raghuvanshi
The F-16’s future is a different story. Production of the F-16 wrapped up in Fort Worth last year, and although a deal with Bahrain for 19 new F-16Vs has been cleared by the U.S. State Department and is under contract negotiation, Lockheed lacks a major long term customer for the aircraft.

Lockheed has offered to relocate the production line to India if the country decides to buy a large number of F-16s and has already come to an agreement with Indian defense contractor Tata Advanced Systems Limited, which would do final assembly of the aircraft. Saab is offering a similar industrial partnership with its Gripen E jet.

The other issue is technology transfer. The fourth generation F-16 was designed in the 1970s and exported widely, with production lines set up in countries like South Korea and Turkey.
Meanwhile, the F-35 is the military’s most advanced plane, filled with sensitive technology and software that, if it fell into the wrong hands, could threaten to undo the United States’ advantage in aerial combat. Sales are highly controlled and have been limited to NATO countries and close allies like Japan, South Korea and Australia.

India has made technology transfer a requirement for any military sale, but it’s not at all clear whether the United States would approve that for the F-35. A further complication is the Indian Air Force’s defense industrial ties to Russia and China, such as its development of a fifth generation fighter aircraft FGFA) with Russia.

“IAF has a requirement of FGFA and an agreement with Russia is already in place,” said Daljit Singh, a retired IAF air marshal and defense analyst. “Therefore India may not show interest in procurement of F-35 fighters.”

Further, Indian defense contractors had never produced a fighter jet completely in country before and are likely not ready to produce something as advanced as the F-35.

“[The] F-16, on the other hand, could be tailored to meet specific requirements of the IAF and would be easier to make in India as compared to the F 35 fighters,” Singh said.

In short, Lockheed would have nothing to lose by offering up F-16 production capabilities to India, either financially or in terms of technological risk. The exact opposite would be said of a proposal to send F-35 production to India.
http://www.indiandefensenews.in/2018/01/calm-down-everyone-theres-no-plan-to.html

 

[WolfPack86]

It seems like Americans activated paid media lobbyists to push their agenda.

 

[Adioz]

Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

@Mikesingh @aditya10r @tejas warrior @lcafanboy @Adioz @Rahul Singh @Haldiram
The Muricans have activated their lobbys

Don't worry bhai, we are broke, we dont have money for Rafale, Air Force can't buy F-35 unless the government gets taken in by the we'll Make in India BS.