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Well if thats rule apply to Pakistan , so it should be also applicable to Chinese right ?
Yes,but they have S-400 too ,so both sides will have their AWACS at risk.Also S-400 doesnt work well on himalayan frontier due to mountains blocking radar waves.Pak frontier except kashmir is flat and excellent for sniping AWACs at long range.
 

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No one is mocking that, we too lose our soldiers because of paki shitheads but they should be ready to bear the cost, their women too will get widowed, their childrens will also lose their father and mothers their sons. They cannot get away with killing our soldiers.
I am not saying that we should not take out their soldiers. Rather we should strike as hard as possible. But mocking a dead soldier who is being mourned by his kid as pig and shitheads is not in good taste. Our soldiers do not fire their shots to orphan a kid or widow their wives. They do it as their duty. Sometimes we loose our men and many times they do, but mocking a dead soldier is not good. Obviously those are my thoughts and you are entitled to yours but try to maintain decorum. We who come from families with army background are rather sensitive to such things, even if your enemy is a savage. Once you've killed your enemy then that's the end.
 

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here you go.... ensoi....
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Story of Kashmir


The British Partitioned India. Sir cyril Radcliffe created the radcliffe line, drew two lines in our east and west, one west pakistan and the other west pakistan. where the muslims were in majority became pakistan, the rest became hindustan. But there were around 650 princely states, when the time came for taking a decision on these princely states. our leaders suggested, let there be plebiscite so that people can choose where they want to be with. Jinnah saab said “Did pakistan & hindustan partition take place by plebiscite?” “No, The british were the rulers. The queen created a radcliffe commission, the lines were drawn using census report sitting in London. Why? Because they are a sovereign power. So if Britain as a sovereign power can take decision to draw a line, then let the princely states use their sovereign power to choose between India and Pakistan, why do you want to impose democracy on sovereign powers” The congress leaders were looking for a quick fix, so they accepted it. You know why Jinnah wanted it be done this way, He was a lawyer and he knew that many of the princely states were under muslim nawabs, but the population under them were majority hindu. if you ask the hindu population they would choose India, if you ask the muslim rulers who were funding muslim league, they would choose pakistan. so the decision was left to the rulers of princely states. It’s recorded in history, be it junagadh nawab, be it bhopal nawab, be it golkonda nawab started dreaming that they would make half a dozen pakistan in the middle of india along with pakistan on east and west of India. Jinnah was asked, “you have rolled your dice, but the exact opposite situation exists in Kashmir where King is Hindu and majority population is Muslim. is it not that you are gambling kashmir as well” Jinnah responded saying “ Kashmir apple is my pocket”. He was asked how? He said because of three reasons “ First : where there are more than 70% muslim, how can india hold it forcibly. Second : Kashmir is on border with pakistan, we can invade it at anytime we wish, hyderabad , bhopal & junagadh, sholapur and arcot are far away, we cannot send out military over there. so we have to make muslims rulers stronger. thirdly : all the roads in Jammu & Kashmir have to pass thru pakistan. you can travel from sri nagar, baramulla uri to rawalpindi. you can travel from Jammu’s ranbirsinghpura to sialkot. Jammu kashmir is dependant on Pakistan for essential goods, How will Jammu Kashmir go away from us?” that’s what his thinking was. But when sardar patel got the muslim rulers of princely states onboard with india, then jinnah was worried that kashmir may slip out of hand, so het sent the mehsud tribe who were under iskander mirza (Governor frontier province), he later went on to become your president, telling the kabaili(mercenaries) there is lot of riches in kashmir, loot them and even attached military support to the mercenaries. Major akbar khan has even written a book on how he fought kashmir war, He was from pakistan army, he retired as Brigadier. you can read his book. When pakistan army invaded kashmir from on 20 Oct 1947, the Kashmir’s Raja even had a stand still agreement with Jinnah, so that he had enough time to choose between india & pakistan. King of Kashmir came to india and pleaded india to protect his kingdom. India responded saying you are not a part of India, we cannot send out military to protect you. The king signed the instrument of accession, and then the indian army reached kashmir to protect the people from looting and barbarism in the hands of mercenaries and pakistan army who were mixed in civilian clothes along with the mercenaries. The massacres by the mercenaries that were seen in poonch, baramulla , kordi and other places.

According to India independence act, The king of Kashmir had the right to choose and chose to sign the accession agreement with India. Lord Mountbatten signed on it too, Not only indians signed on it, The English signed on it too. Then again, since you(pakistan) were invaders and our nehru was obsessed with the new united nations which was created after second world war, we have fought enough for one and half years, Sheikh abdullah explained to nehru that only people who speak kashmiri listen to me, people like chowdary hamid do not listen to me. let them be with pakistan and land under our control be with india. Nehru even stopped indian forces who pushing back the mercenaries back, you would be knowing that the mercenaries had invaded upto srinagar. They were being pushed back, the advancing indian forces were ordered to stop. India declared an unilateral ceasefire and went to UN, in the hope that U.N will take a honest decision. Problem was the since the inception of pakistan, it went into the lap of Britain and U.S. Pakistan went onto be part of SEATO, CENTO & Baghdad pact during cold war. The west felt that pakistan is our baby, so helped it as much as it can in UNO. There were four conditions in the U.N relsolution, First : Pakistan is the invading party, it has to pull it’s forces back from Jammu & Kashmir. second : India will retain withdraw forces but will retain sufficient forces to maintain law and order, third is plebiscite. pakistan rejected these resolution and said we will not withdraw our forces, India said pakistan is not trustworthy and already had war on our hands since they are not withdrawing the forces, we will not withdraw our forces.

The part of Jammu kashmir which you had in your control, you changed the demography of the region. you brought in people from punjab like nawaz sharif , rehman malik, and sheik rashid and settled them in your part of Jammu and Kashmir. In india we had Article 370 which protected the demography of our part of Jammu and kashmir. everybody stayed put where they belong, but you converted gilgit baltistan to northern areas. after changing the demography now you say we gave away shaksgam valley to china, you split the northern areas, people from that areas went away and settled in Britain, and you occupied azad kashmir with your people and now you say let’s do plebiscite. now you remember plebiscite after 70 years, where as when it was asked 70 years ago you didn’t want it.

So on the matter of Kashmir, there was a shimla agreement. Bhutto said “Please release my 93000 soldiers. if i agree to anything on kashmir, i will not be allowed to live. but i guarantee you that everything will be alright. and from now on what ever disagreements exist between india and pakistan, we will resolve them bilaterally, foreign powers will have no role to play” So the U.N resolutions were made irrelevant with this Shimla agreement. Since pakistan was not willing to let go, then UN secretary general Kofi Annan declared formally that those resolutions have no value. you(jinnah) could have agreed for plebiscite by people at the time of partition, he was seeing a bigger cake in Hyderabad, junagadh. he didn’t accept it then. You lost the gamble, now you say there should a plebiscite in kashmir.
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ah side effects of too much inbreeding.
View attachment 50068
Is it... Porks blue water navy cannot differentiate between own boat and a armed boat... apprently the guy was drunk...

May be they missed a false flag. :lol:

Their navy could have boasted to down a Indian navy Aircraft Carrier/Destroyer (whatever suits them) and keep harping it for next 2,000,000 years.
 

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here you go.... ensoi....
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Story of Kashmir


The British Partitioned India. Sir cyril Radcliffe created the radcliffe line, drew two lines in our east and west, one west pakistan and the other west pakistan. where the muslims were in majority became pakistan, the rest became hindustan. But there were around 650 princely states, when the time came for taking a decision on these princely states. our leaders suggested, let there be plebiscite so that people can choose where they want to be with. Jinnah saab said “Did pakistan & hindustan partition take place by plebiscite?” “No, The british were the rulers. The queen created a radcliffe commission, the lines were drawn using census report sitting in London. Why? Because they are a sovereign power. So if Britain as a sovereign power can take decision to draw a line, then let the princely states use their sovereign power to choose between India and Pakistan, why do you want to impose democracy on sovereign powers” The congress leaders were looking for a quick fix, so they accepted it. You know why Jinnah wanted it be done this way, He was a lawyer and he knew that many of the princely states were under muslim nawabs, but the population under them were majority hindu. if you ask the hindu population they would choose India, if you ask the muslim rulers who were funding muslim league, they would choose pakistan. so the decision was left to the rulers of princely states. It’s recorded in history, be it junagadh nawab, be it bhopal nawab, be it golkonda nawab started dreaming that they would make half a dozen pakistan in the middle of india along with pakistan on east and west of India. Jinnah was asked, “you have rolled your dice, but the exact opposite situation exists in Kashmir where King is Hindu and majority population is Muslim. is it not that you are gambling kashmir as well” Jinnah responded saying “ Kashmir apple is my pocket”. He was asked how? He said because of three reasons “ First : where there are more than 70% muslim, how can india hold it forcibly. Second : Kashmir is on border with pakistan, we can invade it at anytime we wish, hyderabad , bhopal & junagadh, sholapur and arcot are far away, we cannot send out military over there. so we have to make muslims rulers stronger. thirdly : all the roads in Jammu & Kashmir have to pass thru pakistan. you can travel from sri nagar, baramulla uri to rawalpindi. you can travel from Jammu’s ranbirsinghpura to sialkot. Jammu kashmir is dependant on Pakistan for essential goods, How will Jammu Kashmir go away from us?” that’s what his thinking was. But when sardar patel got the muslim rulers of princely states onboard with india, then jinnah was worried that kashmir may slip out of hand, so het sent the mehsud tribe who were under iskander mirza (Governor frontier province), he later went on to become your president, telling the kabaili(mercenaries) there is lot of riches in kashmir, loot them and even attached military support to the mercenaries. Major akbar khan has even written a book on how he fought kashmir war, He was from pakistan army, he retired as Brigadier. you can read his book. When pakistan army invaded kashmir from on 20 Oct 1947, the Kashmir’s Raja even had a stand still agreement with Jinnah, so that he had enough time to choose between india & pakistan. King of Kashmir came to india and pleaded india to protect his kingdom. India responded saying you are not a part of India, we cannot send out military to protect you. The king signed the instrument of accession, and then the indian army reached kashmir to protect the people from looting and barbarism in the hands of mercenaries and pakistan army who were mixed in civilian clothes along with the mercenaries. The massacres by the mercenaries that were seen in poonch, baramulla , kordi and other places.

According to India independence act, The king of Kashmir had the right to choose and chose to sign the accession agreement with India. Lord Mountbatten signed on it too, Not only indians signed on it, The English signed on it too. Then again, since you(pakistan) were invaders and our nehru was obsessed with the new united nations which was created after second world war, we have fought enough for one and half years, Sheikh abdullah explained to nehru that only people who speak kashmiri listen to me, people like chowdary hamid do not listen to me. let them be with pakistan and land under our control be with india. Nehru even stopped indian forces who pushing back the mercenaries back, you would be knowing that the mercenaries had invaded upto srinagar. They were being pushed back, the advancing indian forces were ordered to stop. India declared an unilateral ceasefire and went to UN, in the hope that U.N will take a honest decision. Problem was the since the inception of pakistan, it went into the lap of Britain and U.S. Pakistan went onto be part of SEATO, CENTO & Baghdad pact during cold war. The west felt that pakistan is our baby, so helped it as much as it can in UNO. There were four conditions in the U.N relsolution, First : Pakistan is the invading party, it has to pull it’s forces back from Jammu & Kashmir. second : India will retain withdraw forces but will retain sufficient forces to maintain law and order, third is plebiscite. pakistan rejected these resolution and said we will not withdraw our forces, India said pakistan is not trustworthy and already had war on our hands since they are not withdrawing the forces, we will not withdraw our forces.

The part of Jammu kashmir which you had in your control, you changed the demography of the region. you brought in people from punjab like nawaz sharif , rehman malik, and sheik rashid and settled them in your part of Jammu and Kashmir. In india we had Article 370 which protected the demography of our part of Jammu and kashmir. everybody stayed put where they belong, but you converted gilgit baltistan to northern areas. after changing the demography now you say we gave away shaksgam valley to china, you split the northern areas, people from that areas went away and settled in Britain, and you occupied azad kashmir with your people and now you say let’s do plebiscite. now you remember plebiscite after 70 years, where as when it was asked 70 years ago you didn’t want it.

So on the matter of Kashmir, there was a shimla agreement. Bhutto said “Please release my 93000 soldiers. if i agree to anything on kashmir, i will not be allowed to live. but i guarantee you that everything will be alright. and from now on what ever disagreements exist between india and pakistan, we will resolve them bilaterally, foreign powers will have no role to play” So the U.N resolutions were made irrelevant with this Shimla agreement. Since pakistan was not willing to let go, then UN secretary general Kofi Annan declared formally that those resolutions have no value. you(jinnah) could have agreed for plebiscite by people at the time of partition, he was seeing a bigger cake in Hyderabad, junagadh. he didn’t accept it then. You lost the gamble, now you say there should a plebiscite in kashmir.
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S-400 instantly makes all 11 irrelevant.
Noob question, where do you think S-400 will be placed on western border for maximum coverage? I was thinking 1 in rajasthan and the other would be somewhere in northern Punjab.
 

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again black out in Karachi.
I heard on Republic TV that they have declared daily blackout for next 15 days from 9 PM - 7 AM ..not sure how true it is but anchor was quick to add "Fear of indian strikes"

I always wonder whats the point of these black outs... targets are pre identified and known ...
 

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I heard on Republic TV that they have declared daily blackout for next 15 days from 9 PM - 7 AM ..not sure how true it is but anchor was quick to add "Fear of indian strikes"

I always wonder whats the point of these black outs... targets are pre identified and known ...
Sounds like a routine power cut during peak hours because they don't have enough capacity. We had these during summer times in Kerala. Most of our power comes from Hydro Electric plants
 
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