India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021 onwards)

[mokoman]

Iam not advocating for base but, What if adversaries has their own joint base? What will be India's response?

Don't India consider whole of Kashmir as its own sovereign territory according to 1994's Parliamentary resolution?

China don't play by the book, they have no respect for any International laws and treaties. We already lost Aksai Chin and Shaksgam valley aftermath the '62 war. They are still squatting on our land, what stops them to further squat at Skardu and Muzaffarabad?

only solution is to grow 2 balls and spine .

i doubt that will happen

but hopefully ISI and Pakistani army will take the country from toilet into septic tank.

 

[Covfefe]

No.



>live tension free
By giving up your land to foreigners? Why in the fuck did you think it's even remotely a good idea to get any foreign boot on the ground? Do we not have enough bootlickers already licking foreign boots that you want literal boots on ground?

Anywhere USA goes, death and destruction follows, they are the biggest harbinger of chaos and misery wherever they go. IA is very well capable of defending our borders. Stop acting like a sepoyni**er every time some losses are taken, we will learn and adapt.

I will rather have India with no influence of western woke dispshits than having a goatshaggers dominant part in some random hills. Stop day dreaming about POK and Aksai Hind, it's not realistic and no NATO force or USA alone is ever going to agree with that.

Their presence and bases in India only mean you are giving away the sovereignty of this country and whoever supports that should be put in a line and executed in public for uttering such nonsense, @Jimih and @Mantospace , face the wall now.

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Also, Americans can't fight counter-insurgency for shit (because it just doesn't end so easy; spans into decades). India has a better track record in that area- wiping off Naxalism from so many states (those who followed news in 2000s would know), Bodo insurgency, Naga insurgency, ULFA and so on. It requires stuff to be done that needs a lot of stomach- picking up body bags on a regular basis, and doing the same to your adversary. Now, why would anyone else do that as long as they do not consider it a part of their territory? Instead, you'll have stupid documentary producers from Netflix and Al-Jazeera recording dumb Murican troopers say shit like "Man what are we even doing here","This is not our war", "We are not winning" and stuff.

 

[Covfefe]

Iam not advocating for base but, What if adversaries has their own joint base? What will be India's response?

Don't India consider whole of Kashmir as its own sovereign territory according to 1994's Parliamentary resolution?

China don't play by the book, they have no respect for any International laws and treaties. We already lost Aksai Chin and Shaksgam valley aftermath the '62 war. They are still squatting on our land, what stops them to further squat at Skardu and Muzaffarabad?

Base/ Training centres in Ladakh and Arunachal might be a good idea.

 

[Mantospace]

No.



>live tension free
By giving up your land to foreigners? Why in the fuck did you think it's even remotely a good idea to get any foreign boot on the ground? Do we not have enough bootlickers already licking foreign boots that you want literal boots on ground?

Anywhere USA goes, death and destruction follows, they are the biggest harbinger of chaos and misery wherever they go. IA is very well capable of defending our borders. Stop acting like a sepoyni**er every time some losses are taken, we will learn and adapt.

I will rather have India with no influence of western woke dispshits than having a goatshaggers dominant part in some random hills. Stop day dreaming about POK and Aksai Hind, it's not realistic and no NATO force or USA alone is ever going to agree with that.

Their presence and bases in India only mean you are giving away the sovereignty of this country and whoever supports that should be put in a line and executed in public for uttering such nonsense, @Jimih and @Mantospace , face the wall now.

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Pulling me wont help. Need solution.

 

[JBH22]

Phir wahi SOCIALIST SECULAR NCERT wala Non alignment nehruvian BS

Modi's & Jaishankar's Multilateralism is the new policy... In Kashmir joint operations with US&UK... In Afghanistan joint operations with Russia & Central Asian states...

Just wait for things to take a clearer shape

No it is called having self respect.
Inviting US base is a sensitive subject, you have seen how the GI behave when posted overseas.
Imagine a rape situation like it happened so many times in Okinawa base, that will be catastrophic. How will that guy be tried in India or in USA?
India does not need Mai baap, we only need weapons and I assume we can do needful..

 

[Mantospace]

No it is called having self respect.
Inviting US base is a sensitive subject, you have seen how the GI behave when posted overseas.
Imagine a rape situation like it happened so many times in Okinawa base, that will be catastrophic. How will that guy be tried in India or in USA?
India does not need Mai baap, we only need weapons and I assume we can do needful..

We hv weapons. We dnt hv political will.

 

[Jimih]

Base/ Training centres in Ladakh and Arunachal might be a good idea.

Let's see whether US can really dedicate themselves to this cause. US do consider Kashmir as a disputed region along with human rights violation by Indian State jumla

With woke US nothing can be predicted, at best US will desire India and China to finish off each other.

 

[JBH22]

We hv weapons. We dnt hv political will.

What are you talking, some years back the taking back POK was not even discussed.
You forgot UPA days when after 26/11 you had puppet PM who went crying to Obama. Planning takes time and execution has to be perfect first try. Otherwise at sign of first failure very public will start cursing political establishment.
It seems people have forgotten UPA days quickly, if this is the state on defence forum. No wonder public is talking anything.

 

[FalconZero]

only solution is to grow 2 balls and spine .

i doubt that will happen

but hopefully ISI and Pakistani army will take the country from toilet into septic tank.

Pulling me wont help. Need solution.

Unironically @mokoman 's suggestion, Pakistan is on its own self-destruction path. They are selling themselves to chinks, their economy is in gutters they are taking loans to pay loans and so on. Just indirectly support the groups assraping pakis and keep pakistan even more unstable.

War is moronic, giving away your sovereignty by becoming client state to USA as stated by @Covfefe is even more retarded and is no different than what pakis are doing with being whores of chinks.

We need to avoid these moronic ideas and slowly develop our capability/improve on them, modernisation of army, support to indigenous projects. There's no shortcut, only long term planning and a continuous approach towards such goals.

Learning from mistakes and adapting to new challenges, that's how we adapted. RR adapted and changed their ROE after few setbacks, recent poonch issue is also a good learning experience and losses though are sad and you can never re-pay them but that doesn't mean you go into full meltdown and start calling for selling the country to outside forces.

Our armed forces have always talked about a 2 front war scenario so this news of chipak gandmasti at the LOC is not something new to them. Even the chink weapons, grenades and armoured pearcing bullets were provided to terrorists in the past, so it's not like IA is not aware or even anyone who has followed any instance of insurgency in Kashmir for at least past one year knows about this, you don't have to be genius to guess that.

I am not saying that danger of imminent war is not there, conflicts etc. or everything is rosy and daisy but what i am saying is that instead of outsourcing our security and hoping that xyz will come to save our arse, we should invest in our own capability, at most military exercises between nations, getting trainers and other experts from other countries to help in that pursuit is fine but don't make them your mai baap.

 

[Mantospace]

What are you talking, some years back the taking back POK was not even discussed.
You forgot UPA days when after 26/11 you had puppet PM who went crying to Obama. Planning takes time and execution has to be perfect first try. Otherwise at sign of first failure very public will start cursing political establishment.
It seems people have forgotten UPA days quickly, if this is the state on defence forum. No wonder public is talking anything.

Lets hope , public take modi regime or work as benchmark.

 

[Abdus Salem killed]

Man porkies are celebrating on new zealand beating india in cricket forgot Thier humiliation at the new zealander now they are Thier new god's

 

[FalconZero]

Man porkies are celebrating on new zealand beating india in cricket forgot Thier humiliation at the new zealander now they are Thier new god's

Tbh i was celebrating too, fuck these woke pieces of shits. It's a game, better team won no need to get butthurt over it. Let pakis consume retarded copium about a game which has lower worth than frickin' IPL.

 

[FalconSlayers]

Unironically @mokoman 's suggestion, Pakistan is on its own self-destruction path. They are selling themselves to chinks, their economy is in gutters they are taking loans to pay loans and so on. Just indirectly support the groups assraping pakis and keep pakistan even more unstable.

War is moronic, giving away your sovereignty by becoming client state to USA as stated by @Covfefe is even more retarded and is no different than what pakis are doing with being whores of chinks.

We need to avoid these moronic ideas and slowly develop our capability/improve on them, modernisation of army, support to indigenous projects. There's no shortcut, only long term planning and a continuous approach towards such goals.

Learning from mistakes and adapting to new challenges, that's how we adapted. RR adapted and changed their ROE after few setbacks, recent poonch issue is also a good learning experience and losses though are sad and you can never re-pay them but that doesn't mean you go into full meltdown and start calling for selling the country to outside forces.

Our armed forces have always talked about a 2 front war scenario so this news of chipak gandmasti at the LOC is not something new to them. Even the chink weapons, grenades and armoured pearcing bullets were provided to terrorists in the past, so it's not like IA is not aware or even anyone who has followed any instance of insurgency in Kashmir for at least past one year knows about this, you don't have to be genius to guess that.

I am not saying that danger of imminent war is not there, conflicts etc. or everything is rosy and daisy but what i am saying is that instead of outsourcing our security and hoping that xyz will come to save our arse, we should invest in our own capability, at most military exercises between nations, getting trainers and other experts from other countries to help in that pursuit is fine but don't make them your mai baap.

They can’t fight anyone, they pumped in 1.2 billion USD to stabilise rupee, their rupee from 175 is now 172, no real benefit but lost 10% of your forex in this nonsense.

these guys are doomed, so it’s better we sort out our priorities to beat the crap out of Pakistan.

 

[Knowitall]

Tbh i was celebrating too, fuck these woke pieces of shits. It's a game, better team won no need to get butthurt over it. Let pakis consume retarded copium about a game which has lower worth than frickin' IPL.

IPL needs to be banned for good or players not performing in official tours barred from taking part in IPL.

IPL has turned into this quick cash grab and players don't even care about their original motto anymore. Millions is being spent on these people for them to act like activists instead of playing.

 

[another_armchair]

IPL needs to be banned for good or players not performing in official tours barred from taking part in IPL.

IPL has turned into this quick cash grab and players don't even care about their original motto anymore. Millions is being spent on these people for them to act like activists instead of playing.

IPL is a serious money churner for many.

Let it run... not worth losing our nuts over a colonial hangover. End of the day, cricketers get paid a decent sum these days and many from the current crop don't give a rats ass about what their fans think about them as long as the board is OK with it....the money will keep coming... million fans or 0 fans notwithstanding.

 

[FalconSlayers]

These pakis will be the most desperate for wild dreams, this guy is a member of house of lords, but look at the desperation, apne kaam se kaam na rakhna is the reason why Pakistan is such a big failed state.
Their wet dreams were, are and will remain to be wet dreams.

 

[JBH22]

Lets hope , public take modi regime or work as benchmark.

First of all it is not regime.
It is a duly elected Government and elections is the time for giving details about work done.
The voter is right whatever decision it takes, we have to play by the set rules. Now if public wants strong central government or coalition government which is unable to take decisions, that is another matter.

 

[The Shrike]

most likely scenario , PLA is helping pakistan setup survillance equipment , better bunkers - maybe better infiltration routes.

something they were doing in 2018 in rajasthan.

China aiding Pakistan in setting up surveillance equipment along Indian border in Rajasthan: Intel

Inputs suggest that these personnel may have been involved in testing of surveillance equipment.

www.indiatoday.in

bruh

I'd also expect better quality drones from the Chinese for their smuggling operation and attack drones (when ever they try it next).

 

[Ayushraj]

What if I say? What if?

Will India have joint bases with US and NATO at Kashmir in order to counter China-Pak joint bases at PoK?

UK COAS did visited Kashmir few days back, which was unusual and even one US Senator also proposed US Airbase at Kashmir for OTH operations.

Did India and US sniffed something?

Nothing is going to change.
We have capability to defend ourselves from both the enemies.
In world politics only trade matters.
We will always be non aligned and will never be part of any military alliance. Our stance will never change so forget about giving base.
We can discuss hell lot of imaginary things about giving based to foreign countries but our stance will never change. This is core of our diplomacy being non aligned and never be a part of any military alliance

 

[Ayushraj]

Why is Modi not wearing a mask?

I know that there is vetting etc. but still.

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In order to show efficiency of cheap Indian vaccines to whole world.
PM Modi marketed Indian vaccines to 3 rd world countries through this move