India Pakistan conflict along IB and LoC (July 2021 onwards)

[Kumaoni]

PAFF/TRF getting real bold , from what i understand some informant was passed wrong fake info about terrorists . informant calls up police/army post , convoy left the post on top of mountain , comes down the winding road , maybe OGW spotter helped time the ambush . fuckers then take their time shooting up , killing and beheading 3 people . then went and hid in some hole in the forest . no idea how the people at top post didnt hear gun shots or react , or they immeditely send reinforcements 2km down .

army people r clueless , atleast 1 or 2 people from village would have helped , they bring in folks from near by village - maybe suspects on list or informants . few people from outside area . thrash all them then leave then by road side .3 end up dead , rest in hospital .


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this has always been the way , information slowly leaking out peice by peice .

doesn’t make sense. Only two cars were in the convoy and only one of casualties came from infantry. Rest were armored and apc (drivers).

 

[mokoman]

doesn’t make sense. Only two cars were in the convoy and only one of casualties came from infantry. Rest were armored and apc (drivers).

dont know 100% full story , news said they were moving troops out , i think it was for search ops .

 

[pankaj nema]

 

[DingDong]

This is what US want. So be calm and do normal raids.

US hame hazam nhi kar pa raha.

The good news is that we can see through all the smokescreen. War of attrition has been imposed upon us from two fronts:
1. Kashmir
2. Khalistan

The first one is easy, we already know the game. We need to maintain patience and inflict considerably more damage to the perpetrators. We need to bleed them physically and economically. This will pass.

While dealing with the first one, don't ever ignore the second one. Sikh extremists are being groomed so as to establish a "holy-land" in Punjab when the right moment arrives just like Israel was created right in the middle of the Muslim-majority region. This is a long game which we must keenly monitor and subvert. Beware of the sleepers.

Fortunately enough, the third front (North East) has been dealt with successfully due to the Bangladesh and Myanmar situation. At least for now.

 

[mokoman]

 

[mist_consecutive]

doesnt seem like simple case of informers misleading army . seems like locals are definetly involved . army has no clue and arrested a bunch of people from nearby village and beat them up . even if dead are guilty or innocent it will be hidden .

Bold what makes you repeat this line again and again ? Why would army pick up random village folks ?

long winding road , all that talk of armoured vehicles not usefull here , what u mofos think ?

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Armoured vehicle would have been useful but the point is compromised intelligence will lead to ambushes when they come out of vehicles.

Level of optics required for retaliation has reached. Also elections are near.

Rookie number need more than 30 KIA at once.

Numbers doesn't matter, optics do. Mutiliation of bodies & frustation in Armed forces.

You are very optimistic i must say.

Pragmatic. I have previously correctly told none of the SF/Dangri/Anantnag incident will invite retaliation.

 

[Jimih]

Bold what makes you repeat this line again and again ? Why would army pick up random village folks ?

He is Mokoman afterall.

 

[Shiv sagar]

Sikh extremists are being groomed so as to establish a "holy-land" in Punjab when the right moment arrives just like Israel was created right in the middle of the Muslim-majority region. This is a long game which we must keenly monitor and subvert.

Well our Army is not like the "jasba" or "Umma" army fighting with suger syrup propelled rockets and ak 47. The second problem is not at all a problem for us, pannun like dogs sitting in us of a can only bark, they lack the teeth to bite. Us of a couldn't even win in Afghanistan, they are unable to deal with Iran and if they want an enemy like India, then God save them.

 

[FalconSlayers]

 

[Kumaoni]

Wow inquire about the death of civilians from the brigade but spare this joker Manoj Pandey and the GOC of northern command for not having armored vehicles, roof gunners, and the outdated SOPs. Nice.

 

[another_armchair]

 

[DingDong]

Well our Army is not like the "jasba" or "Umma" army fighting with suger syrup propelled rockets and ak 47. The second problem is not at all a problem for us, pannun like dogs sitting in us of a can only bark, they lack the teeth to bite. Us of a couldn't even win in Afghanistan, they are unable to deal with Iran and if they want an enemy like India, then God save them.

Don't underestimate the political-religious fronts like Akali Dal or SGPC. They are soft separatists. They are waiting for the opportune moment. Portraits of Bhideranwale (Saint soldier is what they call him), Indira Gandhi's killers and several other terrorists decorating the Darbar Sahib reveal their true aspirations.

US might have lost it's operational capabilities and geopolitical clout. It may have been stretched beyond limit despite having the biggest defense budget, but it has not forsaken it's old habits which have become muscle memory.

Old habits die hard.

I suspect that nothing will come out of this inquiry.

 

[jai jaganath]

The inquiry would be focused on civilian deaths than the deaths of 4 jawans coz in former case would be easier to find scapegoat rather latter one
God save this country

 

[mokoman]

Bold what makes you repeat this line again and again ? Why would army pick up random village folks ?



Armoured vehicle would have been useful but the point is compromised intelligence will lead to ambushes when they come out of vehicles.



Level of optics required for retaliation has reached. Also elections are near.



Numbers doesn't matter, optics do. Mutiliation of bodies & frustation in Armed forces.



Pragmatic. I have previously correctly told none of the SF/Dangri/Anantnag incident will invite retaliation.

didnt mean random , but any evidence picked up people were OGW ?

if they were actually OGW , they wouldnt be released or atleast the site where the terrorists used to hole up or some other location would have been revealed. any such news ?

i do think OGW are involved , maybe killed people were too , but so far it looks like pointless collective punishment .



Armoured vehicle would have been useful but the point is compromised intelligence will lead to ambushes when they come out of vehicles.

APC is gonna make them think twice . dont get the logic 'we will get hit anyway so why bother' , but i seen 'experts' say APC is useless here .

He is Mokoman afterall.

u should follow ur own advise , refrain from randi rona

 

[mist_consecutive]

didnt mean random , but any evidence picked up people were OGW ?

if they were actually OGW , they wouldnt be released or atleast the site where the terrorists used to hole up or some other location would have been revealed. any such news ?

i do think OGW are involved , maybe killed people were too , but so far it looks like pointless collective punishment .

There is no evidence picked up people were OGWs, but if Army picks up 5-6 people out of 1000s of villagers then there must be some logic to it, no ?

Remember, in previous Dangri incident where 9 SFs were ambushed, militants were using Bakarwals help in getting food & intelligence.

• Army picks up 5-10 people
• 3rd degree treatment to take out intelligence & info about militants.
• Few blurts out details about who helped the militants directly/indirectly.
• Army takes out their frustation on those OGWs who helped the militants directly.
• 3 of them die.
• Ohshitpleasedontbeangrywearegoodyindoosyouhaverighttokillus.mp4

Armoured vehicle would have been useful but the point is compromised intelligence will lead to ambushes when they come out of vehicles.

APC is gonna make them think twice . dont get the logic 'we will get hit anyway so why bother' , but i seen 'experts' say APC is useless here .

Would an APC helped in avoiding this ambush - Yes.
Would an APC helped in avoiding such similar pattern ambushes we are facing since last 6 months due to locals colluding with terrorists & giving wrong intel - No.

Point is, APC is a band-aid we are trying to peddle. Yes, APCs are necessary. But the disease of Rajouri will not be solved by APC but something else.

 

[Master Chief]

Interesting Article on Poonch Rajouri

Poonch Ambush

Three civilians who were among several picked up by the Army in Bufliaz village in the Poonch district of Jammu & Kashmir on Friday evening died in custody, officials and local sources told AwaazSouthAsia.

awaazsouthasia.com

Let's see..whether there is accountability among higher officers this time.

 

[Master Chief]

The good news is that we can see through all the smokescreen. War of attrition has been imposed upon us from two fronts:
1. Kashmir
2. Khalistan

The first one is easy, we already know the game. We need to maintain patience and inflict considerably more damage to the perpetrators. We need to bleed them physically and economically. This will pass.

While dealing with the first one, don't ever ignore the second one. Sikh extremists are being groomed so as to establish a "holy-land" in Punjab when the right moment arrives just like Israel was created right in the middle of the Muslim-majority region. This is a long game which we must keenly monitor and subvert. Beware of the sleepers.

Fortunately enough, the third front (North East) has been dealt with successfully due to the Bangladesh and Myanmar situation. At least for now.

Who is gonna groom Sikhs to make babies.. Without a youth bulge, there cant be sustained violence.. With fertility rate of 1.6, their women might need my help..

 

[Automatic Kalashnikov]

Why isn't the entire Romeo force in the COI along with 14 sector commander which has seen death of several special forces operatives!

 

[mcpo117]

Now you understand why a country should not romanticize the military under any circumstance. It takes away your power to question their fault lines. You will be lynched.

 

[Master Chief]

Now you understand why a country should not romanticize the military under any circumstance. It takes away your power to question their fault lines. You will be lynched.

The enquiry to which the Brigadier is attached will also look into the recurrent loss of own troops...
Hope SOPs change..